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You know ...... people have joked about whether or not Lebron and Gilbert had a secret plan to tank, rebuild with young talent, and then have Lebron come back when the time was right .......
As absurd as that may seem on the surface ..... look at how things have worked out .....
We rebuild the team with a ton of young talent, who desperately need leadership. Lebron goes into free agency the same year Kevin Love makes it 100% clear that he will not re-sign with the T'Wolves. Lebron then chooses the Cavaliers, right after Love states that he would love to play for the Cavaliers if Lebron heads there as well.
The conspiracy theorists have a lot to work with here.
I've said that since the decision...something about it all seemed off. And then things started happening and all came the culmination of this summer. Which could go down as the biggest worst to first ever..this team will be stacked with staying power
I'm just glad it is us doing so. 
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Amen, brother!! It's truly a special time in Cleveland. Now, if the Tribe can throw together a hot streak, and the Browns play well, Cleveland will absolutely ROCK! 
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Pressure's on LeBron (isn't it always) with Love in Cleveland - CBSSports.com http://www.cbssports.com/general/writer/...ve-in-clevelandThe pressure's on LeBron. All over again, more than ever, maybe worse than ever, the pressure's on LeBron James to win and to win big and to win now. And then again next year. And the next. Kevin Love will be a Cleveland Cavalier? Andrew Wiggins and his scintillating potential are headed to Minnesota? That's great. Interesting. And not the point. The point is LeBron, as it always is. Everything that happens in the NBA comes back to LeBron. He's a one-man Butterfly Effect. You know the Butterfly Effect, right? It says that every action has a trickle-down effect. A butterfly flaps its wings in Beijing, and hours later it causes a wave to roll ashore in New York. In the NBA it's the LeBron Effect. Everything that happens, happens because of him. Free agency was at a standstill for several weeks? Everybody was waiting to see where LeBron would go. Carmelo re-signed with New York? Because he couldn't play with LeBron elsewhere. Chris Bosh stands up Houston? Because Miami had max money to offer, what with LeBron gone. LeBron goes to Cleveland? All of a sudden, wonderful NBA veterans want to play there. Kevin Love is traded to Cleveland? Because he wants to play with LeBron, and because LeBron wanted him, and so it happened. LeBron gets what he wants. He's the butterfly and the wave rolling ashore. And now he's the guy with all the pressure, again, which is normal for him and yet somehow not what we thought he wanted. He went back to Cleveland for all sorts of reasons, personal and noble and wonderful reasons, but there was a niggling school of thought that he went back to Cleveland because he wanted the pressure off. That's how it was framed in some anti-LeBron circles, circles that will always exist because of the way he left Cleveland four years ago, and while I don't agree with those circles -- great as it was, Miami was clearly headed downhill and everyone knew it -- those circles exist. So does, or did, the theory: LeBron went to Cleveland so he doesn't have to win an NBA title every year or be considered a failure. LeBron helped that theory along in his first-person essay at SI.com when he wrote: "I'm not promising a championship. I know how hard that is to deliver. We're not ready right now. No way. Of course, I want to win next year, but I'm realistic. It will be a long process, much longer than it was in 2010." LeBron also said, "My goal is still to win as many titles as possible, no question. But what's most important for me is bringing one trophy back to Northeast Ohio." One trophy in Cleveland. One. That was how he framed his return home, and how he wanted us to frame it as well: Win one title in Cleveland, just one, and your return home was a success. And you know what? Given the roster he was joining, with Kyrie Irving and a whole bunch of young players, even young players as promising as Dion Waiters and Andrew Wiggins, that made sense. One title? Sure. By the time Wiggins is ready to be a superstar in his own right, LeBron -- who turns 30 in December -- will be in his early 30s. The clock's ticking. One title in Cleveland, which has never won an NBA title and hasn't won a major team title in any sport in 50 years, since the Browns won the NFL title in 1964, seemed right. And fair. Until now. Because now, LeBron has Kevin Love. He also has Kyrie Irving. He no longer has Wiggins, but he still has Waiters and Tristan Thompson and the right kind of role player at center in Anderson Varejao. That's a core that is ready to compete for an NBA title right now, especially coming out of the East, where the Pacers just suffered the gruesome loss of Paul George and where the only other team that seems like a plausible competitor, the Bulls, has the question of Derrick Rose's long-term health. Does he look good now? Sure he does. With Derrick Rose, though, nothing is guaranteed. With LeBron, pressure is guaranteed. We would have found a way to heap it on him even if the Kevin Love trade hadn't happened: LeBron, you've got Kyrie and Waiters, and besides you're LeBron -- go win a title like Michael Jordan did. But now we're going to heap it on him in a whole new way, like Miami all over again, only minus the cascade of hate. The hate's not completely gone. There are people who will always hold The (2010) Decision against LeBron, but the torrent of abuse he suffered his first few seasons in Miami, a torrent he has said took him by surprise, won't happen anymore. Most people seem to like what he did when he went back to Cleveland, went home, even managed to do it without a prime-time special. The overwhelming hatred is gone, but the overwhelming pressure is back. And LeBron did this to himself, even after saying in his SI.com essay that he doesn't expect to win now, that "my patience will get tested. I know that. I'm going into a situation with a young team and a new coach. I will be the old head." All of that was true before the Love trade, and it's true now. But still, even with a young team and a new coach, the Cleveland Cavaliers of 2014-15 have to reach the NBA Finals. That's a minimum in the East. And once they're in the Finals, well, LeBron's the best player on the planet. Shouldn't he find a way to get it done? That's what we're going to say now that he has Kevin Love. Oh, who am I kidding? That's what we were going to say anyway.
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Even if we've already traded our 16 1st. We could still trade this one coming up.
All you do is add "future first" and then just make the pick for them and trade the rights of that player. Happens all the time.
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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I think taking a shot in the dark on Okafor would be a pretty good idea. He's was hurt last year and he has been a disappointment, but I think he can defend. He wouldn't be a sure thing because of the injury thing, but there isn't much out there.
Maybe go w/Jermaine O'Neal. He was pretty solid for Golden State last year.
I also think Haywood was a decent move.
Heck, there are a couple of question marks, but we just got markedly better as a team. Being able to spread the floor is going to be huge. The guy can also score inside and his rebounding and outlet passes are outstanding. He is really going to make the rest of the players on the team that much better. Not many guys have that ability. Love does.
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Amen, brother!! It's truly a special time in Cleveland. Now, if the Tribe can throw together a hot streak, and the Browns play well, Cleveland will absolutely ROCK!
According to Ian Hunter, Cleveland already rocks! 
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Can you guys just wake me up when the Eastern Conference Finals start?....Thanks.
Maybe.....but you still need to win them.
Heheh, truth.
All of this may have just created the most "boring" regular season, ever.
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Yeah, Dion is really going to have to change his game.
Not really, in looking at the different sets he ran with his pro club, there are several set s there that work well with a slashing 2 guard, like Dion.
Right off the top, that is the point of horns. We run horns a lot when we are against a team that we dont feel can guard our guards on the perimeter. Gives us a lot of space to get our 2 guard and our PG to the rim, because thats what they do best.
Now when we bring our other 2 off the bench who is a pure shooter(and wow is he!!) we dont run horns as much.
I mean, what I just said is all very basic, and there are tons of different variations to it depending on many different factors that I would have to go game to game, team to team but I think Blatt has enough variations in his sets that he will be able to work with what Dion does best
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Someone asked about this earlier, and I can't seem to find the post: What if Kevin Love decides he doesn't want to re-sign ... or what if he gets injured and the Cavs don't want to give him 5 years ... I was sort of wondering about this, because I didn't think you could make pre-arranged deals (remember Boozer?) Turns out you can't ... http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2...partner=ya5nbcsHowever, unlike Boozer ... we'd be able to offer him more money and more years than anybody else. Plus there's that whole thing about playing in a Big-3 with Lebron and Irving. However, I guess there's always the possibility that something happens and he doesn't want to be around.
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All things considered, unless next year is somehow a complete disaster ..... which I cannot even begin to imagine, then Love will sign long term.
I would have used his refusal to sign an extension as a negotiating point in the trade ...... but when he comes here, I cannot imagine him doing anything but re-signing with the team.
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Hopefully our starting lineup will be Irving, James, love, waiters and verajo. That would be sick.
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Kevin Love trade was necessary for Cavaliers to win now
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba...olves/13732019/
Kevin Love will grab the rebound and throw one of his spot-on outlet passes to Kyrie Irving near halfcourt. Irving will lob a pass to LeBron James for an easy two points. It's possible the ball will cover almost 94 feet and not touch the floor.
Or maybe James collects the rebound and starts the break, finding himself with options: Love or Irving or Dion Waiters or Mike Miller at the three-point line. Anderson Varejao or Tristan Thompson in the low post.
Bottom line: The Cleveland Cavaliers, already contenders in the Eastern Conference, made themselves strong NBA championship contenders with the news Thursday that the Minnesota Timberwolves plan to trade Love to Cleveland for 2014 No. 1 overall draft pick Andrew Wiggins, 2013 No. 1 overall pick Anthony Bennett and a future first-round pick.
The deal can't be completed until Aug. 23, which marks the 30-day no-trade period required after Wiggins signed his rookie contract.
It is a move that has been expected since the Cavaliers made Wiggins available to the Timberwolves. The Cavaliers were hesitant at first to include him in a package for Love, but Minnesota remained firm in its trade demands and Cleveland realized the only way to get Love was to give up Wiggins.
Now, the Cavaliers have their own Big 3 featuring a starting lineup with three All-Stars: Irving, 22, Love, 25, and James, 29.
How will this play for the Cavs on the court? It's fun to let the imagination run wild with possibilities — no doubt first-year Cavs coach David Blatt has to temper his creative offensive mind — but the melding of talent will take time, just as just as it took time for the Miami Heat to weave a tapestry of offensive efficiency with James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh.
Picture a Cavs starting lineup of Irving, Waiters, James, Love and Varejao. Miller, Thompson, James Jones, Matthew Dellavedova, John Lucas III, Malcolm Thomas and Erik Murphy, among others, will come off the bench.
But don't be surprised if the process is accelerated. Blatt has been exceptional at adapting to the talent he has and maximizing it.
Just as important, he has James, a four-time MVP who embraces an unselfish, team-first approach and is capable of playing several styles. James will continue to score and find ways to involve his teammates, and early indications are that he will appreciate Blatt's offensive philosophy.
The Cavs will have firepower. Last season, James averaged 27.1 points, Love 26.1 and Irving 20.8, and Irving and Love will have better opportunities to score this season with James drawing so much attention. And with the addition of Miller, Jones, James and Love and improved long-range shooting from Irving and Waiters, the Cavs should be a better three-point shooting team.
Cleveland will also be a great rebounding team. Love is one of the best rebounders in the league (12.5 per game last season), James is a strong rebounder and Thompson averaged 9.2 rebounds last season. Varejao is also a rebounding workhorse, two seasons removed from averaging 14.1 per game.
Defense, on the other hand, will be a work in progress for the Cavs. James is a regular on the All-NBA defensive teams and doesn't like defensive breakdowns. Blatt is an underappreciated defensive coach, but Irving and Love need to become better defenders.
There is risk involved for the Cavaliers. Love can opt out of his contract following the season and become a free agent. Though the Cavaliers must think they have a strong chance at retaining him, there is no guarantee.
Also, they gave up Wiggins who has the potential to become an NBA superstar. The Timberwolves had concluded they weren't going to retain Love so they pursued a deal they wanted: Wiggins, Bennett and future first-round pick. Minnesota believes those pieces will make it a better team.
But this trade now is about Cleveland and the present. If the Cavs want to win championships sooner rather than later, acquiring Love at the expense of Wiggins was the necessary move.
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The one piece I think we still need is a veteran rim defender.
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Definitely. I have no idea if Haywood will even be able to play, but having an injured Haywood and an injury prone Andy as your 2 bigs at Center isn't the best idea for winning it all.
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