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Game 1 in the books...
First and foremost, looks like we got out of this game in good shape, no major injuries reported. That's awesome. 3 more of those, please.
I thought Hoyer looked solid. Slightly rusty on some of his deeper balls, but for a guy coming off major knee surgery, and having the Manziel circus chasing him, you have to tip your cap.
Ben Tate looked nice. Joel Bitonio looks like an animal. Loved that pick in May, love that pick now... Rest of OL gave tons of time, which they absolutely should in preseason.
I think Miles Austin can have a big role if he can stay healthy. Outside of the one drop, he looks fresh out there. I hate banking on him, but man we might have to if the Gordon thing ever happens...
The officiating was pretty horrible. I also don't like these new rules where DB's are almost rendered helpless out there beyond 5 yards... Thank GOD we drafted another skilled CB. That will help, if they are going to call it like that (especially since Skrine is our 3CB, and loves to use his hands)
Pierre Desir had a horrible game, but I really believe this year will be a redshirt type year for him.
I don't want to get too excited because it's preseason but Christian Kirksey looks like a steal... LOVE the Lance Briggs comparisons.
Johnny looked decent in his first action. The OL and some of the receivers he had to play with make it hard to tell. Man he is quick. That first step is world-class. The quick release and arm strength showed. I really think it's only a matter of time until he becomes a really good QB. There is some development that is needed within the pocket, but I believe that is a hurdle he will jump right over. The kid can play. I'm not in a rush to have him start, and I'm probably one of his bigger fans on this board. I want the best guy to start against Pittsburgh, not my guy.
I don't like that we kept getting beat on that same running play, but I understand that the defense was in a basic outline, and things will be different.
I do love the pressure that Pettine's defense can create, and we even saw a bit tonight.
Terrence West is going to be a stud in this offense, just like Johnny, it's only a matter of time with him. That kid can play.
I usually say a few things about the other team, but Stafford literally played one series and was done. No Calvin Johnson, I didn't see Reg Bush out there either. I still can't believe they hired Jim Caldwell. He'll be fired in 2 years when this group underachieves again.
There are reports out that Johnny Manziel is going to start a week from Monday in DC.
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This game..lipstick on a pig. Not impressed. We have three more preseason games to get it together.
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Extra nervous about the receivers. Gotta remind myself that Cameron wasn't playing.
Inside linebackers looked better than expected.
There was some horrendous tackling going on. Man, Desir has quite a bit of bad game tape all to himself.
Special teams has some work to do on coverage.
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A couple of comments based on your post:
--I am not sure what you saw in West. Yes, he had one good run. He's strong. But, he was hesitant at times.
--DeSir was putrid. Terrible hips.
--I did not think that our pass rush was all that great.
--Pettine's run defense in Buffalo was really bad and tonight's run defense was alarming.
--Austin had one catch and a drop that should have never happened.
--Agreed about Tate, but he fumbled again.
--No injuries. Agreed there.
--Totally agree w/you on the officiating and the new rules. Horrible.
--It was pretty alarming how Detroit's first team defense carved up our defense. Stafford only played one series.
--I think JM was better than Hoyer.
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Just what I expected to see.A ugly offensive,low scoring,close loss. They don't have enough firepower on offense yet,simple as that.
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Carder, Krause, Lewis, and thipen need to be looking for new teams.
I think Snead is over hyped. Buuuutttl he did have that one catch that should've been ruled complete.
Hoyer just needs more time with Flash. Man if that dude can beat this appeal than our offense is actually gonna scare some people this year.
Hawkins, came as advertised.
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I want to see JM start in DC. Browns need to hang on to the ball better, especially in or near the red zone. Not going to get down about a one point loss in a preseason game. I agree that JC will be fired in two years in Detroit.
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Meh, I'm not going to get excited about anything this preseason. Had my heart broken too many times. I think I'll just take the wait and see approach this year.
Personally, I didn't see anything to get excited about tonight, looked like another 4 win team to me. Yes, I know it was just the first preseason game, but I'm just calling it like I see it.
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for all the talk of a culture of toughness, might need to preach a culture of tackling. Probably the single worst night of tackling I have ever seen. I know they dont like to tackle to the ground but wow. Take away 2 preseason games and we will be seeing this style of play in week 5.
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Roberston had a good game. Kirksey also played well. This battle should be interesting to watch hereafter. The special teams coverage stunk, and it stunk really bad. Tabor gotta come into work Monday and get that straightened out. I thought both QB's played well. Hoyer had several inaccurate long balls, and Manziel had some nice passes that were dropped. I think JF deserves some reps with the first teamers to see how he can react with them and a better o-line. Hitner already coming in here and crushing people. That hit he laid on the Lion WR, wow I was shocked he was able to hold onto it. Hughes played well. The depth of the d-line is freak given that Armonty also played well, as' well as others like Kitchens and etc. Austin made me unhappy with that drop, but he seemed to come back and make some catches thereafter. Not sold on who will be the WRs first team group. West, Tate and Baker - if I had to pick now, would be the three RB's I'd keep on the roster if we were to only keep three. Same old story with this offense though... can move the ball, but chokes in the endzone. 
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One more thing i wanted to add with Johny, his drives kept getting hit with penalties and mistakes. they sent the wrong personel in, the playclock wasnt reset and the dropped passes never appeared to bother him. I dont know of any QB since Bernie that would have not let that destroy their confidence. He impressed me out there.
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have a feeling our run defense is going to be bad all year. Buffalo's run defense was terrible with Mike as the DC. For some strange reason he has put Rubin at NT and moved Taylor to end....which to me makes zero sense. Taylor is perfect for the NT position.....I mean you are not going to get 7 sacks and a bunch of qb pressures from this guy. However one thing he can do is hold the point of attack and take up blockers which frees up other defenders. Rubin has a high motor no doubt...which is why i feel he is a perfect end in this scheme.....NOT NT....this makes no sense to me at all.................. 
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Wasn't the problem with the run D the edge, not the middle of the defense?
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U need a disciplined run stuffer and Rubin is terrific at this and when you are asking big phil to eat space, you are hurting the defense. He is best when attacking. I like it
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Yeah,we did do a lousy job at tackling.Mike better do a better job at taking care of the details..
West needs to be our RB...and Tate can come in from the bullpen.
I also reviewed JF..and I gotta say,he's got confidence and did a pretty good job for his 1st game.He's got things to learn,but not too bad.
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have a feeling our run defense is going to be bad all year. Buffalo's run defense was terrible with Mike as the DC. For some strange reason he has put Rubin at NT and moved Taylor to end....which to me makes zero sense. Taylor is perfect for the NT position.....I mean you are not going to get 7 sacks and a bunch of qb pressures from this guy. However one thing he can do is hold the point of attack and take up blockers which frees up other defenders. Rubin has a high motor no doubt...which is why i feel he is a perfect end in this scheme.....NOT NT....this makes no sense to me at all..................
+1 completely agree...I first thought it was an error on the screen when they had Rubin at NT and Taylor at DE...didn't make any sense to me...as Rubin is def. More of a hustle player and goes through the whistle while Taylor IMHO reminds me of Gerrard Warren in a sense...plays in spurts...trash talker somewhat lazy...not conditioned fully...stupid penalties etc.
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Good game for both ILB who are competing against each other
Hoyer and Manziel did nothing to separate themselves. They are what they are.
West and Tate should prove to be a nice, solid two RB set
Charles Johnson looked pretty good ... a little upright and stiff tho
Officiating, our run D, Leon McFadden, and our coverage units were atrocious
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I'm usually not pessimistic, but after the game last night, I felt, well, exactly like I have after the first preseason games the past several years.
We say that the D was vanilla, that's why we didn't see certain things. We say that every year.
Our offense made some good plays, but drops killed us and we had to settle for FGs. Seems like I've seen that before...way too often.
ST coverage gave up big plays.
Past failures are no guarantee of future results. But Lord, I felt like I had déjà vu.
I really hope I'm wrong. There were bright spots, but there always are. From a general standpoint, I turned off the game after it was over and felt meh.
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I hate losing, even preseason games, but I am not surprised. Looking back:
1) Compliments to Pettine for using this game to try mixing & matching lots of players. Good to see some bright spots. Liked West, Tate, Bitonio, Marquise; work to do on offense.
2) Shabby ST play. Some tackling practice and stay in your lane is indicated.
3) Disappointed in the officiating. That fumble NOT call had us with points and they blew the challenge. Specifically, I hated to see a zebra drive in the 4th quarter with multiple calls against us to assist that score. We couldn't have done much more on our side to help them, and once again a blown lead and failure to finish. Playing like a Brown yet? Cut Thiggy Monday, please. Shaw should get a shake.
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One more thing i wanted to add with Johny, his drives kept getting hit with penalties and mistakes. they sent the wrong personel in, the playclock wasnt reset and the dropped passes never appeared to bother him. I dont know of any QB since Bernie that would have not let that destroy their confidence. He impressed me out there.
Spot on. We need a competitor at that position. A winner. JM just might be that guy. I thought he was pretty good last night. Bridgewater was not what this team needed. Even when JM was going in for his first drive it looked like he was barking on the sidelines. Love it.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Browns were beat by the Lions' 12th man last night - the zebras. When the Lions got the ball at the 50 for their "winning" drive, it could have easily been a 2 score lead if the refs had gotten the fumble call correct at the Lions 10 yard line earlier. Then to add insult to injury, they proceed to call 3 ticky-tack def holding calls to help the Lions down the field. Annoying, even if it is only preseason. Besides, if its not about winning, why even watch the games?
McFadden was victimized by two of the holding calls - just like he was victimized by the BS interference call at New England last year. I actually think he can play - hope they don't jump the gun and cut him just because he was picked by the former FO.
If I'm Todd Haley watching last night's game my notes would read: "Browns defense cannot seal the edge.", and I'd gameplan accordingly. Leveon Bell could have a big game week one if we don't fix that.
I was watching Josh Gordon last night and I thought he looked distracted and downcast. Can't imagine why.
RB's looked pretty good, except for the fumbles. WR's looked pretty crappy - when did it get so hard to catch the ball? I was okay with Hoyer and Manziel's play, although I thought Hoyer looked better.
If the Browns wanted vanilla for their broadcast, they made a good choice in Solomon Wilcots. Yawn. Memo to Wilcots: a D-Lineman chasing a QB can never be a "defenseless" player. (Referring to Greco's pancake of the DL chasing Hoyer, and Wilcots thinking the flag was on Greco.)
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My two cents:
1. Wasn't all that impressed with Johnny last night. Looks indecisive, very nervous, and more comfortable tucking and running. But I guess that is to be expected-- it was his first game. However, I kept telling myself that I've seen other rookie QBs look better for the Browns in their first game. In the end, those guys didn't work out, so it's zero indication on Manziel.
2. Although there were two high passes by Hoyer, I feel much more comfortable having him start game one at this point in time. But that could change. Hoyer looked like the more comfortable QB out there, and that's expected.
3. Thought the entire first-team offensive line played really well. I really liked the movement on running plays. However, the backup o-line is a completely different story outside of McQuistan.
4. Tate and West looked good.
5. Defensive line depth will be awesome. I don't like Rubin at the NT as he didn't command double teams and was easily handled inside but I understand why Taylor is on the outside at DE. Funny he still got the double teams last night. This could be nothing, but on third downs, I think we usually went to a four man front and both Rubin and Taylor were not on the field. I think in their place was Sheard and someone else inside. Not sure if that is just because it is preseason game #1 or what, but I thought that was interesting.
6. Armonty Bryant is looking great! So is Hughes.
7. Desir left his tackling skills at Lindinwood but he has great size.
8. The Robertson/ Kirksey battle just got more interesting. I think both had a great game.
9. Taylor Gabriel (#18) was very active last night.
10. Kudos to Solomon Wilcox...I thought he did a nice job doing the color.
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I still don't understand that fumble ruling, the refs now need to see who got the ball in the replay? It was pretty clear by the action on the field afterwards that we recovered it but they couldn't see that on the replay so it doesn't matter. If that is in fact a new rule, you won't be seeing any teams throw that challenge flag this year.
Hopefully we get to see Crowell and Shaw next game. Tate and West might be the highlight of our offense this season with Gordon out.
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Sounds like it was a game with interesting pieces and parts to it. Didn't get to watch it, but will do so today. I DVR'ed it.
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Just realized I didn't see Jabaal Sheard last night. I checked the box score and he had no line in the defensive stats. Is he injured? Sheard could be a big help stopping the outside run game. Mingo seems to get swallowed up on those plays.
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I saw Jabaal a few plays. They lined him up on the left side.
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I still don't understand that fumble ruling, the refs now need to see who got the ball in the replay? It was pretty clear by the action on the field afterwards that we recovered it but they couldn't see that on the replay so it doesn't matter. If that is in fact a new rule, you won't be seeing any teams throw that challenge flag this year.
Hopefully we get to see Crowell and Shaw next game. Tate and West might be the highlight of our offense this season with Gordon out.
Yeah, I didn;t get that either.
It vwas obviously a fumble. The Browns obviously had the ball ......in the Lions end zone. Even if you couldn't definitively see a recovery, the evidence only points in one direction,
One thing I have noticed in these preseason games thus far, though, is that they have far more limited camera angles for replays. I am hopeful that such a ruling could never happen in a regular season game because of that. (though, given our history f bizarre calls ..... I doubt it)
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I still don't understand that fumble ruling, the refs now need to see who got the ball in the replay? It was pretty clear by the action on the field afterwards that we recovered it but they couldn't see that on the replay so it doesn't matter. If that is in fact a new rule, you won't be seeing any teams throw that challenge flag this year.
Hopefully we get to see Crowell and Shaw next game. Tate and West might be the highlight of our offense this season with Gordon out.
Yeah, I didn;t get that either.
It vwas obviously a fumble. The Browns obviously had the ball ......in the Lions end zone. Even if you couldn't definitively see a recovery, the evidence only points in one direction,
One thing I have noticed in these preseason games thus far, though, is that they have far more limited camera angles for replays. I am hopeful that such a ruling could never happen in a regular season game because of that. (though, given our history f bizarre calls ..... I doubt it)
if they had two cameras... they could piece it together and see him with the football.
My understanding is that they are allowed to use multiple camera angles to come to a conclusion.
maybe you can't in college or some other league the ref came from?
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1) Manziel played really solid. I see a lot of Jeff Garcia in him. Not sure if that's good or bad, but the dude keeps his head on a swivel and is alert most of the time when the blitz is sent. And the Lions sent a ton of blitzes (or so it looked so). If he continues to play like he did through another 3 games.. I wouldn't be mad if he started over Hoyer.
2) Terrence West is a good player.. He is going to do some damage. However, he needs to learn that this is the nfl and trying to stutter step and juke (and lose his momentum) is going to hurt him. Ie watch Trent Richardson.
3) Bring back out the boxing gloves. OMG. I was livid after all those flags in the 4th.
4) Depth at o-line was horrible. Either Detroits d-line is really really good.. or or backup o-line is horrid. D-line blew up West too many times in the backfield.
5) D-line in the 4th was horrid too.. No pressure at all. Moore had all the time in the world back there to make plays and read those garbage blitzes that were being sent and ultimately cost us the game.
6) Guys I'm rooting for: Staples, Armonty Bryant (Whewwwwwwwwwwwwww.. that hit he put on the QB), and Gabriel.
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Thoughts...
It was the first pre-season game for the players and it showed. That's rather expected. It was also the first pre-season game for the refs. If you can give a group a grade, they'd get an F. The game could have been decided on the blown fumble call...er...non-fumble...er...actually, yeah, it was a fumble, but we don't know who recovered it...er...we do because it was plain as day on the replay. Anyway...
To my eye Hoyer looked like a veteran. He showed some rust but made some very good throws and decisions and looked in control of the offense. Manziel showed the skills that made him a 1st round pick but he looked very skittish and very much a rookie. If the season started tomorrow it's my opinion the Browns would be exceedingly foolish to start Manziel. He's not ready based on what I saw.
Receivers looked lackadaisical. Austin looked rusty as he decided to check his feet at the sideline before looking the ball in on the drop. He's no 22-year old kid from Chattanooga State...he shouldn't have to look at where his feet are at the sideline. That's just rust. He's a player if he can stay healthy but that drop was not good.
Not going to bother looking up the name of the receiver who didn't even bother trying to catch a well-thrown ball by Manziel. With that one lazy play he just got cut. It just hasn't happened yet.
Bitonio played with great smarts and strength, especially for a rookie. It's one very small sample size but he looked like a far greater player than what we've had at guard in years, and that includes a guy I like in Greco, whose role should be that of elite swingman.
Haden was beaten like a drum. That wasn't fun to see.
I didn't enjoy seeing Taylor owned on the first run of the game by a single blocker, then commit a penalty. He must get better and he must do it quickly.
No pass rush to speak of, really. Mingo's sack wasn't particularly impressive as the QB was not where the blocker expected, allowing Mingo to use his speed to get there. He also did what he'd done far too much of last year, which is fail to make a tackle in the open field.
Ben Tate is gifted but Ben Tate is a fumbler. History showed he's a fumbler, and he fumbled last night. If he's going to be the primary ball handler for the Browns, prepare for 6-8 fumbles this year. We need someone else to step up as the secondary "by committee" back.
Our special teams looked "special" in the wrong way. Yikes.
Best thing I can say is that we came out without any injuries. Beyond that...thank God we have three more games to get it together before the season starts, because we didn't look good.
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
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I like posting after Toad . I don't have to say much  , pretty much summed it up for me . Am I the only one who thought there should have been a flag on that fourth quarter hit on Gray down the middle . He was defenseless and got slammed in mid air ???? The whole Coaching staff has a lot of work to do over the next three weeks .. Oh yea , I miss Bernie in the Booth ! 
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-Decent decision making by both qb's. It's fun watching Hoyer go through his reads. It looked like JF was trying to do the same, but he didn't have the time Hoyer did. Neither stared down receivers.
-1st OL is very good, and seems to be picking up the zone blocking scheme. Their lateral movement (even Thomas!) was crisp. Schwartz appeared to have a few missed assignments, but wasn't regularly blown out. Did anyone notice Gilkey out there? I didn't.
-The DL is definitely the identity of this team.
-Marqueis Gray looks to be the go to outlet for Hoyer. I didn't realize he had wheels like that. I hope he didn't get hurt when Thigpen mccoyed him.
-Whitner and Dansby look like improvements over Ward and DQ.
-Hawkins looks legit.
-Tate looks like he means business as the starting RB.
-I don't know the final stats, but our 3rd down defense seemed to come through.
-I agree with those that say West didn't show much last night. I too only saw one good run and not much pass blocking.
-Once our 1st OL sat, it was ugly out there.
-Desir and McFadden. I think they'll have to play the games of their lives next week if they want a spot on this team.
-Thigpen looked like DA lite out there. A few good passes then WTF moments. He could have gotten Gray killed. We're just as well off at qb3 etting Shaw develop to see what he's got.
-Special teams coverage units need work. Guys fighting for a roster spot sure didn't make a case for themselves (Obi and Bademosi excluded).
-Outside of the DL, I''m concerned about our depth just about everywhere else.
-Once again, our non-existant ability to finish off drives cost us the game.
-Officiating was atrocious.
-Overall, I know it's only one preseason game, but we appear to be the same 4-5 win team.
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J/C Our D was getting torched on the first couple of drives, but were able to get off the field on 3rd down. So that was encouraging. Josh Gordon doesn't ever look like he runs hard. He's just soooo damn smooth, it's incredible. It's a shame we still have the chance of not seeing him again this year. Aside from a couple of high throws, Hoyer threw the ball rather well. Drops by Austin and Gray were a little costly. I'm not sure Austin would have stayed in bounds had he pulled it in, though. There was no doubt that the fumble on the kick-off was definitely a fumble. At least Pettine challenged and the zebras screwed the pooch yet again. Why even have replay when it seems that they still don't get the calls right?!?! Desir had a rough outing, but he took really bad angles to the receiver and whiffed on tackles. Hopefully, they can get him watching tape and workingon technique. Armonty Bryant totally crushed Orlovski on a blitz on 3rd and 1. Nice play. I'm excited about seeing more of him. Johnny's first series wasn't bad. Wilcots said he read the play well on the read option, but if he handed to West (which I think was the better read), we get the first down and keep going.
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Johny made the correct read the TE or OT whichever gave up the inside run didnt seal him and that killed the play. If the DE goes to outside the play is the handoff, if the De goes inside its the qb to the outside. The DE went inside and the blocker just didnt do anything at all.
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I still don't understand that fumble ruling, the refs now need to see who got the ball in the replay? It was pretty clear by the action on the field afterwards that we recovered it but they couldn't see that on the replay so it doesn't matter. If that is in fact a new rule, you won't be seeing any teams throw that challenge flag this year.
It vwas obviously a fumble. The Browns obviously had the ball ......in the Lions end zone. Even if you couldn't definitively see a recovery, the evidence only points in one direction,
One thing I have noticed in these preseason games thus far, though, is that they have far more limited camera angles for replays. I am hopeful that such a ruling could never happen in a regular season game because of that. (though, given our history f bizarre calls ..... I doubt it)
if they had two cameras... they could piece it together and see him with the football.
My understanding is that they are allowed to use multiple camera angles to come to a conclusion.
maybe you can't in college or some other league the ref came from?
The Refs had a bad pre-season game, too. Maybe it's just me, but i'm hoping we don't see these Refs much this year.
AND where was the Ref who determined who ended up with the ball. In past years, that was always determined, wasn't it?
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-Marqueis Gray looks to be the go to outlet for Hoyer. I didn't realize he had wheels like that. I hope he didn't get hurt when Thigpen mccoyed him.
I'm hoping that too, he looked like he was pretty hurting on the bench after with the trainer.
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Am I the only one who thought there should have been a flag on that fourth quarter hit on Gray down the middle . He was defenseless and got slammed in mid air ????
You are not the only one. No hit to the head, but late and defenseless.
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One thought that jumped out to me that I forgot ... Armonty Bryant looks like a beast. Strong, quick, mean, etc ... he looks like the real deal
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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It was lonely out here , thanks ! .. I only hope the fans go bonkers over this 5 yard bump /hold / sneeze , rule before the season starts ! 
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