DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Josh Gordon is a Punk

I know most of you love JG, but man, our team has regressed since he came back.

Is anyone else reading his body language?

Does anyone else notice how many times he has run the wrong routes?

Did anyone else see how he dogged it on the last pass attempt that Hoyer threw and then cost us w/an injury......and then walked back along the sideline, while his teammates ALL turned their eyes away from him?

The guy has talent, but he is poison. I absolutely despise his looks of disgust when Hoyer missed him. Heck, I think many times the seemingly poor throw was because Gordon did not run the correct route. Gregg Little did the same crap w/that overly dramatic body language. Run your freaking route, catch the ball, and jog back to the huddle on poor throws. Don't throw an "OMG, I can't believe you threw it that bad" tantrum on the field of play. That is the act of losers and punks.

And right now, JG appears to be both!

And another guy trying to deflect blame on anybody but Hoyer or whatever QB is behind center.

Since everybody wants to play fantasy world about how our QBs can do damn near no wrong, I'll bring people back to reality.

The guy missed 10 games.

Everybody's golden boy Jordan Cameron has missed a bunch to. It doesn't matter if he was injured, he still missed games, plus, he hasn't done much when playing anyway.

He didn't look good coming back from injury either, but where's the outrage in that?

Here's another fact: Cameron only had a monster season because of Gordon last year. You know, I know it, everybody knows it.

This is the only fan base who majority will complain about a WR first game being 8 catches for 120 yards.

This is the only fan base who majority wants a 10 ten WR off the team

This is the only fan base who majority doesn't recognize that he DEMANDS double teams and has given other WR opportunity as well.

This is the only fan base who majority who hasn't realize our WR corp, while they have balled out this season, were regressing right along with hoyers slump.

I get the off the field issues. I really do.

But on the field? I can't believe some of the moral high horses our fan base has when we haven't won jack crap. We wanna get rid of our best talented players, yet defend bums like mingo, Cameron, Hoyer, countless others.

Hoyer has nobody to blame for his benching but him.

Gordon didn't lose the game against a winless Jacksonville. Or a 4-5 texans team,

And then, we are the only fan base who turns around and complains our bout Gordon doing what EVRRYYBODY WANTED, laying out for everything for a catch, got hurt, and y'all complain about that.

Stop blaming everybody else, and put the blame where it's suppose to be: Hoyer.

If you wanna get rid and complain about our best offensive playmaker, then go ahead.

We can continue drafted bums like you wanted in robiskie, mass, stuckey, whoever.

I mean damn, how come nobody mentions he was the only WR who showed up last Sunday against the bengals?

Josh has 10 million dollar talent but he does not have a brain to match Now the Coaches should know this, and if he is having trouble learning the offense why have they not made his patterns a bit simpler for him?

I do not believe he dogged it on that play. It would have been a hell of a catch IF he would have made it, but he only gets blamed for NOT making it

As for the injury how in the hell do you blame a guy for getting the wind knocked out of him after diving

I do agreee however that he needs to keep his nose clean all off season, and make a lot of improvements next year if he wants to stay in the nfl

Has Hoyer been blowing Gordon blunt shotguns for the last 4 years of his life?

He only got back on the field this year because of a new drug policy agreement. Since he's been back, his route running has either been lazy or wrong.


I'd be surprised if we could get a conditional third for him right now.

That's telling, and there's a reason for it.

You put up with the 10 cent head because of the All-Pro performances...when those dry up, you start to think.

This is all on Josh. No one is being too hard on him. He's lucky he has a job, and he should act like it.

Like I said, I get the off he field issues.

But funny you don't mention this:

Hoyer doesn't even get considered the starting job if it wasn't for Gordon's performance last year.

Period.

Without Gordon, Hoyer doesn't go .... Well technically 3-0, then everybody wishes he get his chance to start this year.

Like I said, he was the only one who showed up against the bengals, and 8 catches for 120 yards in his first game back.

But I understand. You guys need anybody to be the scapegoat but Hoyer.

Not at all. I think JM's performance was the worst I ever witnessed. I think Hoyer has sucked in recent performances.

However, I stand by what I said about Gordon. The QB's poor performances does not excuse his terrible play.

And if you can't read how terrible his body language is, it's only because you ain't looking.

Doesn't sound like you do.

Dude you realize how many WR complain about not getting the ball or bad passes?

Should I even have to go down the list of active players right now? Some with Super Bowl rings?

Of course he's gonna complain. Most of them do.

You guys seem to have this idea that every WR acts like Andre Johnson or reggie Wayne. Hint: they don't.

Not should they have to.

He has nobody to blame but himself.

If we was talking about purely josh Gordon, then ok.

But vers is trying to on hoyers performance on Gordon, and I'm not letting that slide.

Did you even try to contemplate my message, or did you just get your back up, like an ally cat?

I didn't mention him wanting the ball. I said I despise his body language when the pass did not hit him in stride. It's a loser mentality.

Btw----what's our record since his return and what was it before he arrived back on the scene?

Let what slide?

Gordon did, in fact, dog that play, and cost us a timeout.

How is pointing that out absolving Hoyer for his performance?

No, Vers is not doing that?

Vers is saying that both Manziel and Hoyer [recently] have sucked.

However, that does not excuse how freaking punkish Gordon has been.

Probably because Gordon was suspended for the 4 games that Hoyer started ...

Stop. You're trying to make it seem like the QBs been sucking since he's been back.

You know that's false as hell.

If you wanna go there, then what's our records been EVER since joe Thomas has been on the team?

Or Alex Mack.

Or joe Haden.

Or Gibson.

WR complain all the time about passes not hitting hem in stride. Once again, should if go down the list?

I read your message clearly, just dont agree with it.

I believe he was talking about last year.

Not sure why, exactly.

Wrong: you don't win a prize

Gordon was suspended two games, he started ALL three games Hoyer played in last year.

Don't spread misinformation please.

First of all, it would be beneficial for you to understand who created this thread.

Secondly, Josh has had his problems this year. Admittedly running wrong routes. Is he a touch out of shape? I don't know. But he's had problems with Hoyer at qb, and with John at qb. And yes, Brian and John have had some problems as well. Brian, not so much earlier in the season, but his last few games, yes. Manziel - with only 1 start - yeah, he had some issues as well.

Josh has been back for what, 4 games? Is it safe to say he's not up to speed? Yup. Should he be up to speed? Yup. Same with Cam. When Josh and Cam both admit they ran the wrong routes on int's.......makes you wonder how many times they ran the wrong route on simple incompletions.

Hey, here's a nugget for you: Hoyer isn't playing anymore this year (barring injury). Gordon and Jordan need to figure out what the hell they are supposed to be running, and John needs to get it figured out as well.

So laying out for a pass, and getting the wind knocked out of you is dogging a play now?

Yea, I'm exiting out this discussion now. Mind=blown.

Anyone else completely baffled that it's been two seasons and half the board can't spell our free safety's name right?

Ah you're right, my memory is fading fast

So the Browns have the only fan in the NFL that doesnt want Gordon on his team.

That's your definition of laying out for a pass?

Braylon, is that you?

Arch bro I get that. And I understand.

At this point it doesn't help that both QBs has wet the bed at the most crucial part of the season.

Both Gordon and cam ran the wrong routes, yet nobody is making an entire thread about Cameron. Her guy who benefited from Gordon to even sniff the pro bowl.

I'm just saying that it seems like we always blast our talented players while giving passes to bums.

Honestly, we are playing for next year. But I believe the reason for that is not Gordon, it's Hoyer and Manziel.

You are throwing a hissy fit.

I am NOT trying to make it seem like our QBs are sucking since he has been back. They have sucked in their own right!!!! Got it. I am NOT making excuses for the poor QB play.

However, Josh has sucked, too. I DESPISE his poor body language. I hate his poor routes and understanding of the offense. I don't like his drops. I think he has a ten-cent head on a million dollar body.

Sadly, it was such a bad pass, the quarterback (Hoyer)and receiver (Gordon)looked like total crap as the end result.

What?

Fair enough.

But I rather have that then vise versa: get will million dollar head and ten cent body.

Bro I thought that pass was decent.

But sadly, that was one of the very few decent throws he had all game.

Yes, as of now (and maybe last game) we are playing for next year.


I'm not sure I understand the whole Gordon Jordan thing.

Josh missed 10 games. If you think for a minute that his playing the first 10 games wouldn't have helped him, and us, you're crazy.

Jordan missed..............how many games this year? A lot.

Imagine if both of them had played the whole year, gotten into a rhythm.

Your preaching on Jordan only being good because of Gordon last year..........couldn't the opposite be true?

They both played - LAST year - excellent ball. How do you say one was good because of the other, yet not reciprocate those thoughts?

I am not saying to cut him, as one pot-head suggested. I am just saying that he needs to get it together in order for us to contend. He has the talent. However, he needs to fix his mind, attitude, and work ethic.

I'll take the ten cent talent that can pass a drug test once a year over the million dollar one that can't.

At least he'll be allowed on the field.

I feel that way because Gordon was getting doubled the entire time.

I understand that defenses can't double everybody, but it's telling who they decided to double.

And he fact that even while doubled, he STILL put up 1600 yards. That's my evidence.

You've already seen evidence that doesn't work.

It's certainly more effective than 10 men on the field.

I think it's two things:

He has to not even give media attention to himself this off season. Meaning we don't need any more DUIs and pot charges.

Speeding tickets it don't give two crap about.

Second: these trade rumors have to stop.

If he can make it through the off season fine, and come draft we aren't getting word he's getting suspended, I think he'll be fine.

That's highly debatable. I know what your trying to say.

But the evidence is guys like robiskie. Who didn't do jack on the field, not even as a decoy.

Seriously?

Are you on something right now?

OK...it's game day. You have one more slot on your 53 man roster...it's Brian Robiskie, or no one. You just roll with 52.

You think that choice is highly debatable?

Gordon is less than a 50/50 shot to be on the field for any given game. Unless the next CBA has no penalty for marijuana use, he's extremely unreliable.

And to top that all off...his play this year has been very disappointing, and mostly due to his miscues.

And you feel the need to act like people are just needlessly bagging on him?

Yea?

If he makes it through the off season fine, he's playing all 16 games unless he gets injured.

Are you struggling with that concept?

Gordon sat out 10 weeks, without a play book, and without being able to practice. I recall one of the coaches saying that most of the terminology has changed from training camp to today.

That said, I don't think that Gordon has realized that he is not playing in last year's offense. This offense requires receivers to be where they are supposed to be, when they are supposed to be there. Gordon has not managed to master that aspect of the offense. He still plays like he can just run a go route and the QB will find him. That is not the offense. The QB is not supposed to have to find the receivers, the receivers are supposed to be where the play calls for them to be. I think that is why Gordon said something about looking forward to playing with a mobile QB ...... because he can freelance more.

I do wonder whether or not the team might try to trade him. He has a year left on his contract, and he is talented, but he appears to not fit this offense. I love his talent, and he is one of the most naturally explosive players I have ever seen ..... but he has to want to fit the offense, and he has to want to study if he wants to be great long term. I question whether or not he has that level of devotion. I hope that he will, because he can be a Hall of Fame level player if he just applies himself.