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I'd go as far as saying he was treating just as poorly as any other poorly-performing player would be treated. No more no less.

This is the NFL, not Pop Warner. There are no 30th place trophies, so you're going to have to suck it up.

It won't matter who starts, they will run the ball like Cincy did, and own the TOP.

What? The guy made the Pro Bowl and people were against him. He led us to the most wins since our rebirth and people hated him. He put up some of the best numbers in Brown's history and people cried for Bwady.

Get real.

Yep.

People like to forget bits of history a lot.

I remember people clamoring for Brady even when DA threw 5 TDs against the bengals that year. Any of y'all listen to the fans on the radio when they call in for Jim Donovan? Boy oh boy.

That 2008 year, I can't begin to count how many drops Braylon had. Sure, DA didn't do himself favors but holy crap did Braylon regress after that pro bowl year. Combine that with JJ getting hurt, and DA felt he had to force to ball to anybody not named Winslow.

The start of that deadfull 2008 year, I remember having the win against Dallas a deep pass away when the ball fell right through Edwards hands. That one play foreshadowed the relationship the two would have throughout that year. Yes, the fans were all over Brady Quinn's nuts and called for DA's head every chance they could. In that sense, this situation with Hoyer is mirrored. I hope Hoyer gets decent money and resigns with a team where he didn't have to watch over his shoulder each game at some rock star college rookie. I think he will grow into a decent game manager that will hold the position down for a team like Chicago or Buffalo.

This is Johnny's team now, lets embrace the pain for the next couple of years!

I took enormous grief because I liked a lot of what DA did, and I loved scoring ...... actual points ... and even TDs. DA threw 29 TD, and we ran for an additional 13. We scored over 400 points for the season.

That was the 1st time we scored more than 400 points .... yes, in 2007, the 1st time we scored over 400 points since .... sit down ... hold on to your hats ...... yes, the last time prior to 2007 that we scored 400+ points in a season was 1966.

DA wasn't perfect, but I was just astonished when I saw people complaining about certain TD passes, saying they just weren't good enough, or "pretty" enough passes. They were TDs!

Oh well, we then went back into the dregs for .... the rest of what ... the next 6 or 7 seasons?

DA had his flaws, for sure... but that '07 campaign was some of the most entertaining football Browns fans have sees since the Bernie years.

I'll NEVER hate on DA for that... and I'll always thank him for the fun he brought to CLE that year.

I distinctly remember typing: "With this team, I NEVER feel like we are truly out of a game... even if we're down by 2 scores in the 2nd half."

DA takes a certain amount of the praise for compelling me to say such a thing back then. Dude made some passes that no other previous Browns QB (since the reboot) could have made. Fans want to bag on him for that Dec. CIN game, but Dude helped to at least get us there... and that counts for something, in my book.

Hoyer gets a similar kind of praise from me, for the way he ran this O in the first half of 2014.

Fair is fair, guys. I'll always call them as I see them, without fear, favoritism, or bias.

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That said, I hope DA falls flat on his face against us this Sunday. I'll always be a Browns fan above any former player who suits up against us- in any given week.

I agree with you. I will always thank Hoyer for returning this team to competitiveness. He may not have been the guy to take us all the way over the top, but he led some really impressive comebacks, and played some good games. I truly appreciate what he did for us.

Hate to get back on topic, but thought I heard it is to be Cam. Hoping for DA. Just another guy to beat. Carry JFF until we score. Maybe next week . . .

We actually might stand a better chance to win if we play Cam. I'm not sure if the back injury would render his ability to scramble, but if so that would be huge plus honestly, DA is playing good ball for them.

Six games, 701 yards on 65 completions out of 97 attempts. Five tds and no turnovers. 105.2 passer rating.

For the sake of Browns' fan everywhere, I pray DA doesn't start. The satisfaction he'd get and the deep, dark hole it would create in Cleveland if we'd lose to him is simply not worth the risk even if DA is (from a winning % chance) the better QB to go up against. It's just not worth it.

Derek Anderson tries to rebuild bridge he napalmed

At a time when former Cleveland quarterbacks seem to be lining up to rip the Browns, one of them is trying to be polite.

At least, now.

Panthers backup Derek Anderson — who might have to start Sunday if Cam Newton can’t — did his best to backpedal from previous inflammatory words about his stint with the Browns.

“I’ve moved on from it,’’ Anderson said, via David Newton of ESPN.com. “I’m focused on us.’’

Of course, that’s a far cry from his parting words for the Browns after he was released, when he said the city “didn’t deserve a winner.’’

“I will never forget getting cheered when I was injured,’’ Anderson said then. “I know at times I wasn’t great. I hope and pray I’m playing when my team comes to town and [we] roll them.’’

Of course, since he might have to play them this week, he stepped back from the napalm he was dropping on bridges then.

“The whole situation and how the whole thing went down in the last few months wasn’t great,” Anderson said yesterday. “I said some things I regret saying when I left.

“But it’s over with, I’ve moved on. I’m happy. I wasn’t in a great place when I left. I’m in a lot better place now.”

Anderson went to the Pro Bowl as a Brown in 2007, going 10-5 as a starter. They haven’t sniffed that kind of production since, and are now floundering about with Brian Hoyer and Johnny Manziel.

Longing for the days of Derek Anderson might speak to the futility that is being a Browns fan, especially considering he might not even start against them this weekend.


http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/12/18/derek-anderson-tries-to-rebuild-bridge-he-napalmed/

No one is "longing" for the days of Derek Anderson, PFT.

j/c

not sure why there's a DA lovefest going on here.

after losing a preseason QB competition to Charlie Frye, DA was fantastic for a 10 game stretch. throwing TDs, putting up yards, yeah a few too many INTs, but he made up for most of them.

then, he started fading down the stretch. poor comp%, the INTs were still there, but alot of the TDs were disappearing and our offense wasn't scoring nearly as many points (obviously). the last 5 games of that season he was terrible.

many people thought we should trade him to Dallas for a 1st round pick they were apparently offering and the rumor was that we didn't because they were going to flip him to Baltimore for a 1st and 3rd round pick that they wouldn't give us. Baltimore "settled" for Joe Flacco instead and we were left with a terrible 2008 DA who continued the regression.

first 10 games (minus 1/2 v. Pitt he was thrown into):
59% 257yds/game 21-TD 10-INT

last 5 games:
53% 205yd/game 7-TD 8-INT

We have not thrown a touchdown pass since the 2nd quarter against Houston....

At this point I wouldn't mind having Derek Anderson behind center.

I didn't hate Derek Anderson when he was here.

What a lot of people forget was 2007 was only his third season in the league, he was still a fairly young and inexperienced quarterback.

I remember the first preseason game of 2008 him and the entire offense looked great.

Then in the second game he got the concussion (against the Giants) and was just never the same after that.

Joe Jurevicious, Dante Stallworth and Ryan Tucker were injured to start the season (and spent much of it injured). Braylon Edwards just started dropping everything. It's crazy how fast the entire ship sank after that fun 2007 season.

'Bout a nine on the tension scale there, Vers. I am real, and I honestly couldn't think of any instances. Hence, why I asked the question. I wasn't a member of the boards at that time and only heard from people around me and I never heard anybody complain about him in '07. In '08, it was a whole different story and deserved. Thanks for the reply.

i like Seeing previousl Brown's QB's getting a chance and doing good. Happy for them. Hope DA all the best. I understand Colt McCoy was hurt and RGIII gets a reboot.

Maybe the next previous Brown's QB to start will be Hoyer.

Won't matter who starts...if they play like they did last week we will get torched again.

Last week was the first Browns game I never watched completely.I shut it off half way through the 4th quarter.Just couldn't take any more,that's how bad it was.The whole team just acted like they didn't want to be there.

Derek Anderson is a really good backup QB.

Even this season, he's come in twice and played well enough to win..

He will never be a guy you can count on for a whole year..

His attitude after he left the Browns was childish. Regardless of how he was "treated here"

If he could of played well enough to last more than what, 10 weeks? Then he might still be here..

Just another name on the list.. and there's nothing funny about that..

I don't get it either.

Once player leaves, he is the enemy. I don't want them to get hurt, or go fail miserably ..... but I definitely don't want them doing well against us.

Anderson hated the way he was treated here. He's going to really motivated to provide the weekly punchline to this weeks cleveland joke.

Add in the "kick him while he's down" attitude towards JF that the league is enjoying and we've got a hurt coming.

Onfortunately, I don't think it matters who plays QB for them. Dalton played about the worst I've ever seen a winning QB play and they still beat us 30 nothing.

You give up 2000 yards on the ground, not much else needs to go right for you to win. Add in that we're playing the bottom of the CB barrel on our roster, and it seems like a pretty tall order to expect a decent showing this week.

god, I'm depressed.

I find the entire thing unbelievable myself Tab. Sounds like "anti-fans".

Nobody said they wanted DA or Carolina to win. All that was said was IF DA plays, and IF they win, then good for him. Of course we all want a Browns win!

Sounds like the participation trophy generation! As was mentioned above, I don't wish injury, but to hope he does well against the Browns sounds too much like "everybody has to feel good" to me. Soft!

You know what, I'm going to take a lot of heat for this and simply don't care at this point. I hope JM goes down in a ball of flames these last few games. The guy has the attitude of a douche and was never an NFL caliber prospect to begin with. I want a real QB that can sit in a pocket, read a defense, feel pressure, and deliver an accurate throw. As far as I'm concerned, I'm waiting for starting QB # 22 in hopes that we finally get it right. Hoyer is almost there, but showed us that he cannot play well looking over his shoulder at a "rock star." Folks, we truly are a QB away; Johnny Football isn't that QB.

If a QB can't play when looking over his shoulder, he can't handle pressure and will never take you where you want to go. Funny thing is, it seems if your scenario of him "looking over his shoulder at JFF" was the case, he's been doing that all year.

Don't you find it more than a little odd that when he crumbled, just happened to be when we were in the playoff picture and the heat was on to perform? But nah, it was because he was looking over his shoulder at JFF. Puleeaase!



When playoff pressure hit, he crumbled. It is what it is.

Any fan who wishes our high draft pick to fail because "The guy has the attitude of a douche and was never an NFL caliber prospect to begin with", is someone who puts their emotional opinion ahead of what's best for the Browns. So you go ahead and do that.

Just remember, what you're hoping for is this team to be at least two years behind. Because they won't be drafting a QB high next year. The best you can hope for is they go with JFF and a bridge QB who won't take us anywhere anyway.

So you go ahead and hope we don't even draft a QB for two years and have no progress for another two years. That's your right. But don't expect any fan who wants what's best for this team to " hope JM goes down in a ball of flames".

Some of us want a winner sooner than later. And we certainly won't get that if JFF fails.