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The owner wanted Manziel.

It wasn't like Farmer didn't.

And Bridgewater didn't want to play here.

It's not black and white. I'm sure there are a number of elements that come into play here.

Manziel played........manzielish.

Solomon secured a future spot on the roster.

Would be nice if Hoyer was here next year -starter or back up.

John needs to figure crap out. Luckily for him, with the injury, he probably guaranteed being back here next year, as you can't trade the guy now.

Sure. I did always wonder why Johnny had Dowell Logains number in his phone anyway? Is that within NFL rules?

We will never know the true story. If Johnny turns it around, it won't matter, but if this continues, it will be something talked about for years.

When you're right you're right. I don't proclaim to be a draft guru or know all about the X's and O's, but I cannot fathom how it can be a "good" thing to run one type of offense when Hoyer is out there and another when they play Johnny.

I think Kyle is gonna get Johnny killed a la RG3.

And I'll say this, I don't even think his old man was a better coach either. He only won when he had Elway. I don't think he posted great seasons in the years without him and I won't touch his tenure in DC. Kyle is just a cut from that cloth.

We need better talent evaluators like you said, we also need better offensive minds as well. Fire Kyle and get a real coordinator and offensive staff.

J/C...

This organization is hot vomit.

The names, faces and circumstances may change, but year after year the result is the same - hot vomit.

They had a much better year than I thought they would and they STILL have found a way to let me down, lol.

Having said that, Scott Sullivan looked awesome. So their's that.

Same old story. With the exception of the Cameron TD, the offense did very little. No pressure on a banged up QB. Couldn't stop the run, despite these two negatives on the defense, they somehow gave us a chance to win. 8 first downs...kicking FG's,not going for it on fourth down. These last two drive me nuts. Why don't we ever play with nothing to lose? I'm afraid we are looking at another losing record.

It's not possible. It can't be. No sports organization can even come close to be this inept. In a league where you are constantly given a chance to get out of the basement with higher picks the Browns just keep getting worse. You can't be this inept even if you were trying. Should be pretty comical to see how they screw up all these picks they have in this next draft.

It's the same old story. Same ole song and dance, yea.

Thoughts? Johnny Manziel is done in the NFL. Not built for the NFL (physically or mentally). Go work for a bank where those $$$ signs might work from a marketing standpoint.

Commit to Hoyer or Cutler, bring in a FA to back them up AND help develop Shaw or whoever else you draft. Avoid Mariota and Winston. Neither are worth mortgaging the future for. Build the LOS. Take a shot at a WR with size and speed. Keep Pettine and Farmer. Keep Haslam out of the draft room.

Good luck in 2015.

That's why they have to stop the constant change.

JC

*When Newton ran for the edge, he got to the edge and beyond the edge. When Manziel ran for the edge, he got run down once by a DE (C Johnson), and another time by an ILB (Kuechley).

*I've criticized Travis Benjamin several times this season, but that was an exceptional hustle play to run down Norman after the Int and hack the ball loose - AND recover the fumble. Maurice Clarett salutes you, TB.

*They said Manziel injured his hamstring, but he wasn't limping at any time after that play that I could see. WTH? I've pulled hammy's before - it hurts, you limp.

*Pretty happy with Desir's play - he looks really athletic and didn't look overmatched at any time.

*If Billy Winn "gave himself up" after the Int, why wasn't there a whistle?

*Cam Newton has a serious fastball - great arm. That throw to K. Benjamin at the sideline was a laser.

*Gordon basically a no-show today - again. I'm off that bandwagon. We really missed Miles Austin the last few weeks.

*Browns need to re-sign Hoyer, imo. He's the only NFL QB on the team.

That's enough for now I guess. Merry Christmas everyone.

That is sickening

j/c

I was completely apathetic while watching the game ... this year was fool's gold IMO ... we played some BAD teams and won close games

This team is no closer than it was last season, or the season before that, or 1999

This team is back to square one....as usual.

We might disagree on some things, like the impact of losing Mack, but we totally agree on this.

After last season, I would have never imagined that they would send Chud and company packing, but they did.

We need to stick with Farmer, Pettine et al (except Tabor) for another couple of years. If Haslem reboots again, I will officially become a Bengals fan.

And, that made me throw up in my mouth a lot a bit....

I saw Johny show slight improvement which wasnt hard, still sucked. Can we stop with the designed QB runs and read option crap already?

Cameron was blatantly held on several plays that went for incomplete passes by both Johny and Hoyer.

Hawkins looks like camp fodder out there. I dont think he has caught a pass cleanly in the last 6 weeks. I wouldnt care if we released him at this point.

Offensive line has no communication. Greco pops the DL stops him in his tracks and then just releases him to hit the QB, while he goes to help Schwartz with the guy he has burried? Way to much miscommunication for your 15th game and i dont care who the center is.

Hoyer hit the wide open Cameron who the defenders forgot to cover and then he reminded everyone why he is a backup by throwing a pick to a guy that had his man beat by 10 yards. the line didnt do him any favors but man at some point u have to understand the value of not taking a damn sack.

Defensively, we actually improved up front when Rubin went down. Desir grew in confidence as the game went on. I thought Gilbert played well. The Solomon kid was playing his ass off out there. he earned a spot.

We actually made 2 fieldgoals and I wasnt stressing when we were kicking.

Anyway, I dont think we are anywhere closer to having a QB than we were this time last year from the looks of it. I would just rather we just release manziel than to see anymore of the read option and designed QB runs.

VS. AFC WEST and NFC WEST....

We beat a really awful Saints team, an absolutely terrible Titans team that was kicking us around until a miracle happened, Falcons, Bucs, and a divison III college team in Oakland.

How did we manage the Bengals & Steelers wins? Even awful teams get lucky during the course of a year.

This team will be right back to 5-11, 4-12 and win just enough games that will take us just out of the best draft picks (not that that has ever mattered).

I agree, we better sign him to 2-3 year lower end starter money deal, just in case.

I was one of the guys who thought Manziel would be a very good QB and wanted him bad... I know there is not much to go on but I feel like I was VERY wrong about him. I sure hope he is not another 1st round bust at QB for us. What will it take to get a quality top 10 QB on this roster? Even a top 20?

I hope we keep the Coaching staff in tact... well maybe a new special teams coach. I hope we keep the D mostly together. I think the offense has some talent, but the oline needs help. I will be happy to see McDonald gone. I wouldn't care if we drafted 3 OL this year. I think that is our biggest need.

I never expected to win this game. I also am not sure Manziel was too hurt to return. I think they might have chosen to hold him out.

jc...

So I had a thought during the game that I hadn't seen discussed here but is being discussed on another board I go to.

Johnny looked fine to me. Didn't look hurt or even look upset that he wasn't playing. I was really disappointed. There are a couple of theories floating around that this "injury"...wink...wink...was a good excuse to get him out of there. From the post game pressers...I've read...it sounds like it could be true. Manziel said he felt a tweak...he could barely describe the injury. Then he said he could have gone back in but Brian was in a rhythm...ummm..huh?

He just didn't seem very hurt. I also read he came across in his presser as almost relieved he had come out of the game.

I am beyond disappointed.

I've said for years we need an ultimate competitor at QB to overcome the stench of losing hanging over this team. Manziel demonstrated an incredible competitve fire and drive in college. Now he's acting relieved to be replaced in a game.

Only in Cleveland.

I have been saying to myself mostly on this board since back when training camp broke that the QB situation was being mishandled and now you all seem to have reached the same conclusion, good for you all. It's eye popping to have some of the I Love JF crowd now come to the realization that the QB situation was and is being mishandled when you name a starter he is your guy, period.

This is the big boy league but its imperative that a player and the players around him know he is your guy. When Pet should have finally stepped up and shown real leadership and commitment to Hoyer he fell flat on his face, and that goes all the way back to the end of pre season, and I complained then.

I said then and I will repeat it now, this is the big boys league there isn't a player that doesn't know that if their not cutting it they will be replaced, however the player has to believe that the FO and coaching staff especially a QB has the backing of the people in charge even so Hoyer won over his team mates and they went all out for him on both sides of the ball. he may not be the best QB but he sure is a great leader and the players around him will go thru a wall for him, but he still couldn't get his coach and the FO to back him. Like many of you they were lying in wait to pull the rug from under him, and he knew it. He is a tough guy he won't give up but he is done for this year he has given all he can he is mentally and physically exhausted its written all over his face.

This staff needs badly to look at what they did wrong and they need to get their act together. QB's CANNOT be handled like positional players thinking they can tells me these folks aren't to bright now they need to show they can learn...........Or they are done..................Not happy with this crew at all this cost us our shot but the tipping point was the lack of understanding taking up the players back.

If not for Hoyer and HIS leadership this team is 4-12 again, and the failure of Pet and the FO to realize that is sickening it really is..............

I disagree. I didn't think there was even a chance we'd stop them. Hell, I'm not sure if we've made a defensive stop all year when the game was on the line. If Pettine was confident the team could get a 3 and out then go for it and if the team doesn't convert, stop Carolina at the 50 they'd be punting.

Either way, we have much bigger problems moving forward with this team. But, it does lead me to believe Pettine plays the odds on his decision making rather than with how the flow of the game is going. The constant deferring was an example even he noted as him playing the percentages.

I think Pettine should be given every opportunity to fail or succeed with this team, but he certainly has some learning to do. Starting w/ losing the Play Like a Brown mantra. I'm still not sure how that can be said with a straight face.

I just mentioned this in another thread.

Are you a Browns fan?

I'm honestly not sure.

Wow. Am I disappointed with Johnny. I wanted him badly too, but looks like I was dead wrong. It turns out that he is too small, fragile, and nothing but a read option college quarterback. Another 1st round bust. As bad as Hoyer has looked the last 5 weeks, he looks like an All Pro compared to Johnny.

We need to let Hoyer walk and find a way to get Sam Bradford. Maybe let Johnny learn from the bench as a backup, because he hasn't learned much so far.

And like many have mentioned, we have played some really bad teams this year. I bet the 2007 Browns team could handle us easily.

Another mirage of a season down the tubes. Why do I actually care anymore?

We need to keep Hoyer or obtain Cutler to lead the team while we groom our next "project QB"

looks hurt to me.

I alluded to it in the Game Day thread. If he fained injury, then he needs to go because he is not cut out for this game. If the staff erred on the side of caution, so be it. I just wondered if he knew that he was not the answer and laid down. In which case, I don't want him as my QB moving forward...

Yes, Cutler might also be the guy. I know not many care for his demeanor, but even with a bad year on a bad team, he has thrown 30 or so TD passes.

probably a concussion and like a lot of players are doing saying oo it was my shouldr or hammy so they dont get blacklisted from the game. He looked more woozy than anyhthing with a hammy.

I hope none of that is true, because if it is, he's a suckass fake.

It was a nice hit on the back of his neck.

But Grossi was saying that Manziel didn't get hurt on that play. It was several plays before that.

Who knows.

That should make you very happy, if true.

Pettine, Farmer, Haslam bought into the fan and media hype. This scenario has been played out over and over here in Cleveland. No surprises. I'm glad Manziel wasn't more seroiusly injured. This offense is a pile of steaming crap.

I commented something to the like in the game day thread. He looked like he needed a Snickers because he had the "I'm Batman" look to him. If that was Colt McCoy a couple of years ago, he would be trying to throw a TD with pupils so dilated that his eyes were black.

I really think he got knocked senseless and that he will be on the concussion protocol for this week.

+1000

I agree, but I also think that Loggains needs to go. From that text incident to the faulty mechanics and lack of readiness in our qb's, he's been a failure. Just what the hell is he teaching?

If this is true, four words sum it up: he ain't "the guy".