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Is he THAT good. Can he start day one? Tall order.
Not many succeed. Can we wait that long?

BTW in full disclosure: I don't even know who he plays
with or for!

I got the ball rolling it's now in your court.

Duh! that's basketball Dufus! OK it's in your end zone.

See, I do know the difference.
Happy discussing next year. This one is shot.

Mariotta is a one-read quarterback, and 9 out of 10 scouts will agree with that statement (at least Kiper and McShay do on ESPN). I follow the scouts and draft websites pretty closely all year round and while Mariotta possess all the physical tools, he comes from a read-option offense and when he throws he locks onto his 1st read. Same issue Manziel has.

With coaching and experience it could change, but picture Manziel with Kaepernicks frame, that's what Marcus Mariotta would be in his first year.

I also think this thread maybe in the wrong spot. May belong in the tailgate section of the boards.

Mariotta is going #1 overall.

I DO NOT WANT to trade a bunch of picks to move up. If we ignore our glaring weaknesses (RT, RG, DL and WR#2) we'll end up in the same situation we're in now. Poor offensive line, inept offense, and a run defense that's non-existent.

The smarter play is to attempt to bring back Brian Hoyer, and if he won't come back, try and get someone like Mark Sanchez or Mike Glennon to at the very least compete with Manziel next year.

Just my two cents.

Mariotta is just as much a project as Manziel.

Some think that he is Manziel II .... but I think that he is more than that. He has prototypical QB height, for starters. He has a slimmer body structure, but has plenty of room to grow into an NFL body. From what I have read about him, he prepares harder than anyone on his team, and he truly loves the game. (2 things I think help make a decent prospect into a better than decent pro) He has a solid NFL arm, and has dual threat ability.

He is young. He will be 22 when the draft rolls around. He appears to be mature, but it's hard to say how a guy that young will do when he is thrown into the fire of the NFL.

He is, however, more of a 1 read QB. NFL coordinators will look for ways to confuse him early on. He will have to learn NFL throws, and how to throw against NFL defenses.

I think that physically he has most things an NFL team would look for in a franchise QB. I think that he has NFL desire and leadership. The thing that most people seem concerned about is his lack of NFL throws, and the fact that his offense is "gimmicky", and he has never had to go through NFL style progressions. In that regard, he has some similarity to Manziel .... but it was also true of Kaepernick, and he did reasonably well for his team as a young QB.

I have heard him compared to a young Ben Roethlisberger, as far as his ability to hang in the pocket, and shake off those who get their hands on him.

I should add that this is mainly from what I have read and heard about the guy. I think that I have seen only 2 or 3 of his games. His accuracy in those games was OK, but hardly NFL accuracy. Many of his throws were quick throws to wide open targets, where putting the ball "in the area" was good enough. I wonder how he will do against tight press coverage in the NFL. I do not recall seeing him throw a receiver open, by placing a ball effectively for a covered receiver, because I don't remember seeing him have to throw to many covered receivers. I think that he will go higher than he "should", based on the fact that he is a QB. I also think that he will have a fairly steep learning curve.

I am sure that others who have seen more can add more.

You nailed it YTownBrownsFan.

Physically he has the tools, and I have no doubt he's probably a great leader on the field, but yeah he comes from a read-option offense and when he throws the football, 9 out of 10 times it's to his first read. That's the guys biggest knock.

How many QBs nowadays aren't one read QBs?

I rather take Winston then mariota personally.

I'll agree with that Swish.

His off the field maturity is extremely questionable but Florida State runs more of pro/spread balanced offense. He's great in the pocket and has an exceptional arm. All of the players around him love him, sideline reporters say he's always in command.

Winston to me is a guy you could start right away. He seems like more of what you look for in a pro-style quarterback.

Either way, I think we're going to need a top 5 pick to get either of them, and I don't like the idea of trading a bunch of picks and ignoring other needs to make it happen (unless we're super aggressive in free agency or something).

He's gonna have to develop a lot of the same stuff Johnny needs to. Can probably get away with it a little more because of the size.

I think he can be really good, but he needs good coaching, and patience.

I think he is probably going to the Jets and I really feel bad for him, because there will be no patience there.

I think Mariotta will be a good QB. Everything I read/hear about him (and I'm in Oregon, so I hear a ton), he's got a good head on his shoulders, is very smart, has a good football IQ, etc...but all the things already said are true as well. I feel he'll end up somewhere between Russell Wilson and Cam Newton.

For Winston, he's a huge boom or bust guy - can be a Roethlisberger guy if he keeps his head on straight (or gets similar law enforcement/judicial benefits). I see a lot of Jamarcus Russell sized bust potential as well though.

There's nothing to talk about. The Browns aren't getting him. Period. You'll see him in Tampa Bay next year. Forget about Winston. Out of control without any significant money. Wait till he gets paid. Johnny Football part 2. LOL

Call me stupid, but I'm tired of Heisman winning qb's. I'm sure I'm missing 1, or 2, or 10.........but most of them don't pan out in the nfl, do they?

1984 Flutie
1986 Testaverde
1989 Ware
1990 Detmer
1992 Torreta
1993 Ward
1996 Wuerffel
2000 Weinke
2002 Palmer
2003 White
2004 Leinart
2006 Smith
2007 TEbow
2008 Bradford
2010 Newton
2011 GRiffin 3
2012 Manziel

Eh, in my opinion, for a qb winning the heisman, that pretty well signals a "do not draft" in my mind.

Are there any QB's at 'lesser' schools that have potential? Much as I hate to say it, Rothlesburger came from Miami of Ohio, and Flacco came from Delaware didn't he? Before he was drafted I didn't even know that Delaware had a school.

Personally, I'd rather spend draft picks shoring up the lines and just have a game manager behind center (whoever that may be) until we have the protection on one side and the pressure on the other.

J/C...

He's another one read QB that'll take off running after the first read.

He's another project QB. Blah.

I think that we'll see all kinds of movement of the 'mock the draft' sites and when the real draft occurs, there will be lots of people surprised how far these 'top college QBs' will fall.

My view is that these guys are QBs in a system whose 15-minutes of fame have flashed and gone in the NFL. They won't translate to the NFL game and it's back to being the more traditional type of QB for a while.

Regarding Mariota....the biggest difference between him and Manziel is, Marcus will study and put the time into improving and learning the play book. Manziel has not shown he is mature enough to have the work ethic or desire to want to improve. As a #2 there is no way he should have performed as bad as he did.

Lotta swing room in there.

so true, that's why I used that example he could be great, he could be terrible. If he's there at one of our first rounders, what the heck, he's a potential game changer. No way to I trade up for him.

But could you imagine the circus with he and Manziel...wow

Okay, if not Mariotta nor Winston, then who? Anyone really stand out?

If you're looking for someone to come in right away.. doubtful.. Maybe Connor Cook.. who may be a more talented version of Brian Hoyer..

I do like Bryce Petty as a mid round pick..

I think he is probably going to the Jets and
I really feel bad for him, because there will
be no patience there.
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Sounds like us.

I'm still getting used to how things work around here.

Im starting to really agree with you.

Don't say that too loud.

Don't forget to add Eric Crouch in 2001 to the rest of that pile of Heisman turds.

My bad. The list I was going off of had pictures of just about all the players.....and Crouch, in 2001 didn't have a picture shown so his line on the list was much smaller. I overlooked him. Imagine that - I overlooked a heisman winning qb.

Jameis Winston is and will be better at the next level. Mariotta is just a LOT more likable as a person. People don't want to admit it, but Jameis has a chance to be one of the GOAT college QBs if FSU wins it all.

I think that Winston has shown that he can run a pro style offense, can make all of the throws, and can read a defense. I think that he has a better chance of being a very good QB sooner, if not better overall in the long run.

he has the size, he has the leadership, he knows how to work in a pocket, and he can read a defense. He has pretty much everything you want in a QB on the field, and could be a great pro QB.

His problems are all off the field. He has gotten in so much trouble off the field in his time in college that it is positively frightening to think about what he will be like with a few million in his pockets. If not for his off field concerns, he would be the top QB in this draft.

Eh he'll be fine..

With the new rookie wage scale.. He probably won't make as much next year as he is this year..

j/c

With Tampa Bay and Tennessee so far in the hunt for 1/2, I now see little way for any team to trade up for someone like Mariotta.

Now, maybe teams don't like him translating into the NFL, but IF he is deemed the #1 QB and IF the Browns really liked him, they have little shot, IMO.

JC

Honestly I'm scared to take first round QB's. The qbs who don't have the hype seem to generally play better than those who do. For example, I'd trade JF right now, no thoughts or hesitations for Derrek Carr.

JMO

Hell I'd trade him for Garroppolo...

I certainly wish we'd have taken Garoppolo.

Winston needs glasses, he is farsided.

You're telling me FSU doesn't have a Booster that's an Optometrist?

I think he is a bigger version of Colt McCoy and will struggle mightily at this level to hit a moving target.

I would not draft Winston in the 7th round. I think the guy is undraftable. I believe the criminal brutally raped that girl and he believes he can do anything without the least bit of consequence. I will root against whatever team does draft this kid.

Ask 5: Who does Marcus Mariota of Oregon remind you of?

In a weekly series, draft analyst Daniel Jeremiah polls five NFL personnel executives about college football's top prospects.

By Daniel Jeremiah
NFL Media analyst
Published: Sept. 24, 2014
Updated: Dec. 3, 2014

I don't believe there's an Andrew Luck-caliber quarterback currently playing college football, and we won't see a talent like the Indianapolis Colts quarterback for a long time. That being said, Oregon QB Marcus Mariota is one of the more intriguing quarterbacks we've seen in a number of years.

Mariota has a dual-threat skill set similar to Johnny Manziel, the Heisman Trophy winner from Texas A&M who now plays for the Cleveland Browns. The 2014 NFL Draft first-round pick very nearly went to Oregon, and then-Oregon coach and current Philadelphia Eagles coach Chip Kelly said losing out on Manziel, "broke my heart." Instead, Kelly was able to get a commitment from Mariota in the same recruiting class.

Sometimes it's tough to find comparisons for players who run the wide-open Oregon offense, but I reached out to five NFL personnel executives to see which current NFL quarterback does Mariota remind them of as a player.

Executive 1: Colin Kaepernick
"The easy answer is Kaepernick. Both have rare speed and were unpolished passers. Both were great kids coming out of college."

Executive 2: Robert Griffin III
"This is a tough one. At the same point in their careers, I'd say RGIII. They have similar arm strengths, and an ability to run, escape and extend plays."

Executive 3: Colin Kaepernick
"He reminds me of Kaepernick, but Colin is bigger and strong than Mariota. I think Mariota might be a little bit faster."

Executive 4: Colin Kaepernick
"He reminds me of Kaepernick, but with better instincts and a little less arm."

Executive 5: Sam Bradford
"He's a more athletic version of Sam Bradford."

Verdict: I've heard the comparison to the San Francisco 49ers' quarterback multiple times. The Robert Griffin III comparison is also interesting.

Conclusion: The more I think of it, the comparison that caught my eye was Bradford. There are a lot of similarities. Personally, I thought Bradford was more a accurate passer in college than Mariota.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...n-remind-you-of

What does Towson have? Kidding. Just sick of QB myopia in drafts. We have some other OLine issues as priorities IMO. Turn Crowell into a QB.

j/c

Watching him in the Rose Bowl, I personally think he'll struggle at the next level. Arm strength just isn't there yet.

He could be good someday but he won't come in and light it up day 1.

As much as i can't stand the guy, Winston looks more Sunday-ready at this point.

Mariota will get exposed by the Buckeyes ... JMHO

and this coming from a Pastor...

I don't agree about Mariota's arm strength at all. I do agree that Winston appears more "Sunday-ready". What worries me about Winston, beyond the obvious character concerns, is that the guy seems to be fleshing-out at a pretty young age. He reminds me of guys you run into 5 years after college that are well on their way to becoming fat guys, except he's still in his early 20's. I would be worried that he might show up at OTAs or training camp at 260 pounds, given his well documented problems with impulse-control. I think he has a very high ceiling, but also very high bust potential.