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I agree.

A lot of guys said they wouldn't root for Suh if he came to the Browns because he is dirty.

You know, in the past, I would have been one of those guys. But, after watching us be on the receiving end of some of the plays (James Harrison, meet Colt McCoy), I would rather watch us start literally stomping other teams out.

This team needs to continue to establish its own identity and it would be nice to be known as a hard nosed, taker-no-crap kind of team for once, rather the soft, loser Browns...

I like the idea of having Suh lined up with Phil Taylor and Paul Kruger, but what I don't like is the idea of paying him record type money to come play in Cleveland. I don't think that's something Farmer is going to be interested in. The smarter thing is to use said money to keep our own players in house. We have a handful of needs that can be addressed in free agency, RT, RG, DT/DE, Pass rusher, WR#2 and just general depth. I would rather spread the money out and sign a handful of good players, as opposed to one elite player whose going to break the bank. Addressing our needs in free agency also allows us to draft the BPA with our first three or four selections. (Which doesn't happen to us often).

I'm voting NO for Suh. (too much damn money for one player).

We need nasty players, especially on defense.

I'm tired of these care bear, say all the right thing players. That hasn't gotten us anywhere.

That's why I liked guys like ward, and now whitner. Screw the PC crap, this football, not men's figure skating.

Interesting idea. Suh is a monster. I'd like to see him in an orange helmet, as long as he's not making stupid plays.

Suh is going to make stupid plays. You have to accept that as part of his game. Also, can he play effectively in the 3-4, or do we completely change the defense to fit him?

He is an interesting possibility though .... even though he's a moron far too often.

It can work either way.. Albert Haynesworth or Reggie White.

Haynesworth was as nasty as Suh and maybe we need Nasty.

But Reggie White was nasty also, but with a brain. I'd rather have that.

I'm sorry, I'm going to be one of those guys who can't root for him. I want nothing to do with that douche bag.

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Wasn't long ago some on here wanted him kicked out of the league. I want aggressive players but not dirty ones.

Reubs is getting up there and probably won't be back.

Phi Taylor is a major disappointment and really hasn't even earned a roster spot.

Suh lacks discipline, but he can be disruptive. I do think that he will command a very high salary. There are probably better options, but I haven't researched it.

i'm just tired of getting gashed up the middle. Sick of seeing teams run the ball on us. Until we learn to stop the run, we are just pretenders. If Suh helps fix the problem, then bring him in. Sure, he would cost a bunch- but there is plenty of room in the salary cap for him.

And we could have had Ngata, but Wimbley was the better option- thanks Romeo....... We would not have had this problem.....

Can't argue, but I bet he ends up in Seattle. They have money, he has a chance for a SB, and he's closer to home (and his internship at Nike).

I agree, but this guy is too nasty for cream puff Cleveland. Plus they love giving up 150 yards per game on the ground. Been doing it since 99. Doubt he would want to play here anyway no matter how much money.

Sign Suh.

Retain Taylor and Sheard, and Rubin for depth.

Move to a 4-3 Defense.

Draft another DE.

Rubin is 28 ... the age where most team go looking fir free agents. (and he won't be 29 till July) he is 5 months younger than Kruger, and a year and a half younger than Bryant.

I don't know why people think that Rubin is so old. I have seen some people write stuff that leads me to believe that they think that he is 32 or something. Rubin is still in the prime of his career. He came into the league at 22. Maybe that's why people think that he is older than he is.

I think that Rubin still has 3 or 4 more really good years left in him. I do question whether or not he fits what Pettine wants on the DL though. Pettine wants guys who can rush the passer, and that really isn't Rubin.

I'm afraid Suh would become our Haynesworth: pay him a boatload of money to decide to flop down on the ground every play and let people roll right past him.

Haynesworth was a disaster in Washington.

Don't like Suh, and don't think he'd be worth the money he'll ask on the downside of his career.

The difference is that Haynesworth was the guy that only played great during Contract years..

Suh is a guy that has always been productive.

If the Browns are able to get Suh, they'd better get him. He's one of the best defensive tackles in the league with a nasty attitude. God forbid we get a player like that on this team to start punching opponents in their mouths (figuratively and literally). He stops runs and pressures the QB while demanding double-teams. He's a game changer.

Downside of his career? He's only 27 and in the prime of his career.

I will go with that. Smart and a beast. Suh is a load, but cheap shot and dumb. The money versus the benefit. Think we could get several proven for what he will see. But if he is a Brown, I will still root for a win.

For those of you who are saying that Reubin is "only 27," did you watch him play this year? He gets pushed all over the field. I think there is a real chance that he will not be back.

Didn't Rubin suffer an ankle injury? If so, that can explain the constant push back.

Suh could be a real asset. He'll come at a price and a lot of baggage. How soon will we start seeing Suh's downturn in his career?

Assuming Browns draft in the 10-15 range. I wonder if it be best resigning Rubin and drafting a future NT.

Rubin got hurt early on, but has played through it. He has had an ankle, a knee, and his back all injured. His playing was vital, especially when we were down to ... what .... 3 "healthy" DL at one point? Rubin's ankle was bad enough that there was talk that he might need surgery at one point.

He admitted in his press conference that he's finally starting to feel healthy and producing. He's been battling injuries all year. His production over the last few games has increased IMO.

All JMO

But to make a comment about your post about drafting a possible NT - we may already have some. Kitchens has been great. Key is to have some rotation so our big guys don't get gassed out in the first quarter, especially when the offense is doing their 3 and out dancing. I'm all for resigning Rubin, in his presser he indicated he wanted to start what he finished and it's no secret he is the "silent spoken leader" of that d-line.

I'd love to have Suh, but I don't want a replay of the last dominant dt we grabbed from Detroit. If he is a scheme fit, absolutely bring him in.

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In what world would Suh sign with us?

I cannot see Suh going to a 3-4 team, even if they play "multiple fronts". He is very effective inside, in a 4-3. He gets to go after the passer almost exclusively. I can't see him going to a team that will not allow him the same opportunity.

Suh will not sign with Browns.

We can only hope.

Oh, I'd trade Gordon straight up for Suh. Right now.

I don't like the guy, but would love to have him on our Dline. That would be a major upgrade. IMO though, he is going to want to go to a big venue with a chance for a championship.

Although, money talks.

I'd trade Gordon AND Manziel right now for Suh if the rumors are true that they were out partying last night and late for practice today. Throw in Gilbert for good measure to totally rid ourselves of these entitled jackwagons. I'm not a knee jerk kind of guy, but I've had it with these stories of self indulgent behavior with nothing to show for it.

Suh is a 4-3 tackle. He would be out of place in a 3-4 as the nose and I can't see him as a DE. Unless we fire Pettine and hire a Head Coach that runs a 4-3 Suh doesn't fit here.

Throw in Mingo too. But if we get Suh we change to a 4-3. Asking him to eat blocks in a 3-4 so our non existent linebackers can make a play wouldn't sit well with him. He's a hard charger. Well suited to 4-3 tackle play. And that would work for me fine. Our players are better suited for a 4-3 anyway.