DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Dansby: Gilbert "Has To Look in the Mirror"

yea. says it all.

Cleveland.com posted about 4 minutes of his interview (not including the part where he admitted he messed up) and the entire four minutes was basically Justin being defiant and saying dumb crap. Before anyone gets too excited about him admitted he messed up, I'd recommend watching that little clip of the movie cause it seemed like he said those comments about messing up after the press kept drilling and drilling him.

Gilbert's comments, and the comments of the two coaches, tell me that he still doesn't get it.

I also find it hard to believe what is so hard to understand about why more is expected of the 8th overall pick than the 22nd.

I am not making excuses for Manziel. He stunk. He played as bad as a qb could possibly play. He looks to be a blown pick at this point in time. My point is that people focus more on his poor performance and statements than on Gilbert's because of their personal dislike of Manziel, therefore their evaluations should be taken for what they are.

I agree that he doesn't sound so much contrite as he does resentful about being called out in public by teammates. I think Gilbert's right that Dansby and Whitner should have spoken to him personally rather than airing this in public. IMO, if a player is not performing up to standards, or has an attitude problem, or consistently bends or breaks team rules regarding tardiness and absences, or whatever - then I think its incumbent on the position coach and the Head Coach to discipline that player by benching, fining, or even suspending him. I can see how Gilbert and other rookies might feel that Dansby and Whitner violated the cardinal rule of the clubhouse ... "What you do here, what you see here, what you hear here, let it stay here".

Yeah, this is inside the locker room stuff, not in the press.

I mean, I'm sure that all that has been said by Whitner and Dansby is valid but airing dirty laundry in public is not a way to build something special in the locker room.

What's worse is that both of those players have to know this by now..

Be that as it may, Gilbert (and manziel) have both taken a stand up attitude about the public comments.

Both have admitted the error of their ways, both have committed to turning their acts around and becoming productive.

Good enough, now all that's left is for them to just do it.

Desperate comes to mind.

If you talk enough to someone and you tell them repeatedly the same thing you reach the end of the road of trying to find that button that makes it connect with the guy.

Talking to the press in this instance smacks at we don't know what to do to motivate these guys and as a last ditch effort to get thru lets beat the hell out of them in the press and see if the head lights come on.

This is far more then a warning shot across the bow this is get it together start working HARD or find another job...

We traded up for our first round guys, neither guy has put in the work necessary to make them remotely deserving of being picked in the first, much less traded up for.

We have our veterans calling them out saying it's time to fish or cut bait. They both publicly admit to dogging it with vows to work harder. I just hope we didn't draft two more bait cutters.

The question I have is where is the management of this team on letting them dog it all season long and we end up with this bubbling over to the point the vets feel the need to go public?

I continue to be distressed when reading about Gilbert and Manziel's issues with work ethic.

IMO work ethic should be the one area that coaches and fans should NOT have to worry about. Putting the time and effort into your craft/career is the only area that is up to the player ... this is disappointing

It is quite possible that Dansby and Whitner have seen enough to know there is no getting to Gilbert without going nuclear. He just sounds like a total jerk. I don't know why our people can't pick up on this stuff at the combine interviews. I just hate this kind of player. It's worse in a way that the Josh Gordon brand of idiocy.

Sometimes money changes a person.

Think about it ..... many of these kids go from having grown up in poverty, to instant millionaire status.

Also, many go from being able to show up and play at a superstar level, to struggling at the professional level. They need to learn new study skills. They need to understand the fact that they are playing against professionals. Everyone in the NFL is among the best to play the game. Almost everyone studies and prepares to the best of their abilities. If a player thinks that they will get by on their natural ability, they are wrong.

Some guys need to see that they are not the superstars they were in college. They need to be taken down a peg. Others need to be toughened up, or they will shatter under pressure. Some fans complain about that process, but some players will never do anything without being made mentally and emotionally tough, to where they can take the abuse that opposing players will heap upon them.

It appears that both Gabriel and Manziel both need toughened up. This is one step in that process. No man, especially a football player, wants to be called weak or soft. This will either toughen him up. or break him. However, it appears that it has reached that level. I am glad that we now have team leaders who understand how to handle these situations.

I hadn't thought of that so yeah, I guess that could be the case.

good point

Gabriel? Isn't he the guy who keeps blowing his own horn?

Now you had that coming...

Yep, I sure did.

I gotta take it if I dish it out.

Gilbert. I don't know how I got stuck on Gabriel's name.

Do I think it's necessarily fair that Manziel gets more criticism than Gilbert? Not really. But I do understand it. The press, the fans and most everyone that surrounds the game puts the very most emphasis on the QB position. It's been that way since I can remember.

You know the old saying, "QB's get too much of the credit when a team wins and too much of the blame when a team loses".

The QB, no matter who it is, gets more scrutiny than any other player on every team in the NFL. It's the nature of the beast. And when a QB puts himself in the media spotlight the way Manziel does, it just increases that aspect. Now if we're talking about what is fair that is a different subject entirely.

But we both know life isn't always fair and the QB is the center of attention on every team in the NFL.

I'd take a look at Bradford but I still haven't given up on JF, or Gilbert. Their lack of professionalism is a concern but too early to close the book on them. To do so would be foolish IMO.

A lot of people talk about Bradford like we can just sign him, but he is not a free agent.

Bradford is under contract for $12.985 million for 2015. We would have to trade for him, and also take on a seriously huge deal.

Did you like the selection of Gilbert?

I didn't know much about him. He was not one of the guys that drew my attention during the season and I don't think I mentioned him before the draft.

After we drafted him, I read a bunch of articles from player evaluation sites and it sounded like he was pretty good.

You might remember that I was ALL about drafting Teddy in the first round.

...and I think that's the key to much of this, Vers.

Pretty much NOBODY knew Justin, while half an encyclopedia had already been written about Johnny. With one player, there was no mention of any off-field or locker room issues in an entire season. With the other, there were- well, we ALL know the stories.

IMHO, it wasn't so much about love for one and hate for the other (at least with some folks), as much as it was relative perception. "No news is good news" for one.... and a steady trickle of red-flag reports with the other.

As long as folks were under the impression that JGil was simply struggling with the second-most challenging position in the game, he was given the 'rookie pass.' By the same token, hearing reports of broken curfews, dust-ups in lobbies and other reports of foolishness is bound to color opinions about the other rookie.

If you notice, opinions about JG ARE changing, now that he's been called out by the vets. This, in my mind, isn't hypocrisy. It's a re-evaluation based on new info. Perfectly natural and acceptable, to me.

Like I said in another thread... if the Browns evaluate all 3 of these stooges and determine that they're worth keeping, I'll roll with it just fine. If they get dumped- well, that's OK with me, too. If they're here, I'll watch for signs of improvement... and if they're gone, I'll watch them only when (or if) they play the Browns.

I gots no outright hate for any of them, and I have no faves that I feel compelled to champion. Players come and go. These 3 can, too.

All I have to say is:

Yep! Me too.