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Period.

Hoyer doesn't have it.

Manziel doesn't either.

We need to get Winston, IMO. But whatever QB we decide to draft, that's our need.

we can also try to pick one or two up in FA cause Shaw is not an NFL QB.

Yeah. We need a QB with a good head on his shoulders, unlike Manziel.

Let's get Jameis Winston.....

I love Winston's talent .....and I think that he has everyone on the field you want in a QB ..... but man, his off the field stuff scares the crap out of me. He is far worse than Manziel off the field, and has been accused of some pretty serious stuff. (including rape) Thus far he has escaped prosecution ..... but there's a whole lot of smoke there (what ... 6 different off the field incidents in his time at FSU?) ..... and that really worries me.

Based on what Petting and Farmer seem to want to build, I would be surprised if Winston is even on their draft board ..... especially after their experience with Manziel.

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We need to build to stop the run first and foremost. Sign a bridge QB.

Mariota does not impress me and will not transition quickly at the next level He's another major project. As for Winston, Manziel should have taught us that lesson.

I agree that Winston off the fiel issues are a concern.

But it's only been one season, yet crow had huge problems and he kept his nose clean.

I think Winston would actually be fine at the pro level as far as maturity, and away from Florida.

I think he's a better wb than mariota.

One is a QB who will be handed millions and millions upon signing his deal. The other is an UDFA RB making the league minimum who can be immediately replaced. Two completely different situations.

I find it interesting Crowell didn't see much playing time today and dint't get the start after West was benched last week. Was Crowell at Manziel's party the other night and Pettine wasn't pleased?

Winston has had problems that make Manziel look like he cheated at checkers or something. He has been accused of some serious stuff.

I bet he is off the board for a number of teams. (and I think that he is the most talented QB in this coming draft)

I also see no way we manage to move up for Mariota. Not with all of the QB desperate teams in front of us.

He would've been deactivated if so. You're reaching.

The point was young players can and do turn it around when they make it to the pros.

Just like young players can and do end up imploding in trouble when they make it to the pros.

However, Winston is a QB, with way better talent than Manziel and mariota.

We have a running game. We have serviceable WR. And we have a good OL.

We just need a wb, it's top priority.

He's been accused. He never got convicted.

Which means the worst he ever did was steal some crab legs. Whatever. Dumb, but he got suspended from the baseball season because of it.

For you to be such a big believe in our justic system like in the general threads, it's surpsing that you would hold the major stuff against him seeing how he never got in trouble or even CLOSE.

We need a FA QB and we need to draft a QB. Square 1 again.

I think that you forgot to color that in sarcasm

Sign Hoyer, draft Connor Cook (Michigan St) with one of the 1st round picks.

We need to win in the trenches but I've seen some hideous umpiring by the zebras this season.

I think back to all these folks that were clamoring to pay these guys more money. Bring back the replacement refs! They did a more decent job at it than these fools have.

Sure, they fumbled a few of the calls, calling the wrong penalty at times (at least they called penalties when they happened) and flagging a player with a non-existent number (like a penalty on #66 instead of #68 when #66 wasn't on the field).

Frankly, I'd say that we should bring in replacements for these boobs and I'm beginning to suspect that there is corruption in the ranks of the NFL officiating crews.

I am just saying how I think the front office will look at it. I love his talent. I think that he could be a great NFL QB. He could also implode. After the Manziel debacle, I don't think that they will take chances at QB again next year. I think that they will go for a guy who is absolutely clean, and who loves the game through and through.

I wonder if the Eagles will put Foles on the block. He could be an interesting guy.

Foles misses way too many open WR's to be of any value to us.

We missed out on Bridgewater who was the best QB since Luck (Not saying he's of equal talent as Luck). I haven't seen much of Garrett Grayson, but he might be the only real QB we have a shot at this year. We're in a bad position where we just need to stack the team and wait for a QB in a future draft. Oh well.

I'm ok with this as long as we have competition in training camp for QB. Would be nice to have good talent drafted for a change

With all the controversy Manziel brought, you want to take Winston?

I'm all about talent man. To be honest, Winston is big, read coverages, can run, just looks like a black Big Ben.

I'll take that all day everyday over what we currently have.

How about Mallet? Then keep Jm or BH and Shaw and take a look at someone in the draft. If they think JM is not the answer see what you can get for him although I think it is too early to give up on him.

Winston will be long gone by the time the Browns draft.

Tennessee and Tampa both need QB's to pass on either would be insane.

FA's or trade is the better route.

Sanchez, Foles, Bradford may be available.

This is not to say that the Browns may use one of their first picks on a QB. But we will be looking at other players.

Going into the finale Bridgewater has completed 64.2 percent of his passes and is averaging 7.2 yards per attempt with 13 touchdowns, 11 interceptions and an 84.9 rating. If it wasn't for the league's dynamic crop of wide receivers, he would be a candidate for offensive rookie of the year.

I'm still mad about Bridgewater. I'm so sick of being right on us QB's that we don't draft.

Draft or FA Needs: WR-TE-OL (Depth)-DL (Run Stuffer)-OLB (Pass Rusher)-Saftey/CB (Depth) kicker ... JMHO

it's remained the same since 1999

I've wondered about the corruption angle too. I'd be curious to know what precautions are taken to ensure refs don't get large Xmas presents.

Reaching? lol. How many opportunities did Crowell get today? Maybe I'm wrong, but certainly not a reach. A reach is having faith in Winston keeping his nose clean in the NFL after he gets paid.

Here's Rodney Harrison's take on James Winston:

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Rodney Harrison on giving Jameis Winston $20M guaranteed: "I think he would lose his mind."

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I would run as fast as I could in the opposite direction of Winston. I suspect many teams will. Not to mention the PR disaster this would be on the heels of the Manziel debacle.

There's more to the NFL than athletic talent.

more comments that these kids shouldn't be making.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-s...-234057289.html

Why not?

Do you want your Quarterback saying "No, he's too good. I don't want to go anywhere near him!"

There's plenty to rip Jameis for, but you're reaching here.

Dak Prescott is my top QB and I dont think i would take a shot on him until the 2nd at the earliest. Winston would not be on my draft board. Mariotta doesnt have the accuracy to be a good QB at the next level.

I'd like a QB who doesn't come from a tailor made gimmick college football offense.

No more McCoys, Tebows, Manziels, Smiths, etc.

We need more Luck type players. NFL ready QBs seem to be a short sight.

Seriously man, what does his color have to do with it? If you think he plays like Ben Roethlisberger, then say so, but don't try to add 'color commentary' to your statements. It makes you look stupid and shallow.

As for the comparisons, it might be similar with the exception that I don't think Roethlisberger ever stole crab legs from Publix and saying that he simply forgot to pay for them.

I don't agree that either team needs a QB. Both have nice QBs to build with in Mettenberger in Tennessee and Glennon in Tampa.

The questions that should get asked is whether either team will be sensible and follow those routes. Considering Lovie Smith's past comments, I'm not so sure. I think that Whisenhunt will probably go with Mettenberger because I'm not sure he's the kind that would put up with Winston's off-field crap.

Well to be fair both got away with rape. So they do have a lot in common.

I know this isn't popular because everyone assumes Hoyer is a finished product, but we just need to do a mea culpa with Hoyer and his agent and resign him. Bring in a real QB coach who will work with him. Make him the unquestioned starter. Most of the fanbase has turned on Manziel. Maybe him playing can be a silver lining for Hoyer. He obviously did not respond well to the Manziel pressure but he shouldn't have any of that next year.

Another year with the same coaches, systems, and players at key positions should help. If they like a developmental QB late in the draft, take a flyer on him. Limit your needs and unknowns and draft BPA. Don't chase some imaginary savior that won't be there.

At this point we need to follow Cincys model for success. Consistency.

Shaw isn't the answer as you say,, and neither is Hoyer long term.

We're kinda stuck with Manziel. Maybe. Haslam and Pettine both made it seem pretty clear that his act won't be tolerated going forward. (same with Gordon and Gilbert)

I wish we could find a guy with the arm of brett favre and the heart of either Hoyer or Shaw. Now that would be one helluva a QB

His color has nothing to do with it, it was just a description. Calm down.

We aren't stuck with anybody.

I won't calm down because this is problematic, in our society as a whole, and a cause of divisiveness.

And you say that it's just a description but it isn't - especially coming from you.

He's like Roethlisberger with even more negative aspects to his character.

Finally, we can agree on this.

Others would cut Manziel and others, but I wouldn't. I would keep them on the roster (at least until someone calls inquiring about trading for them) as the last string.

There is about a zero chance of us getting a 1st round QB. We aren't cutting or bailing on Manziel this year, that's just nonsense. We have big needs.

If I am cutting or bailing on anyone it's Josh Gordon and we have 3 midgets at WR, Gabriel, Hawkins and Benjamin. All who cannot block a lick....that is the biggest issue we have. Our wideouts are garbage.