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I was under the assumption that we couldn't trade anymore until the 2015 NFL year begins

Does this guy have talent or not? If the answer is YES, then the Browns should call Cris Carter RIGHT NOW and have him talk to JG. It can't hurt. Don't just dump him hastily because of today.

Tomorrow's game means NOTHING. I hope Shaw doesn't get killed.

well the leader of the team, our QB of the future. has the same attitude. kids like josh and the rookies that have been wanting jff to start are just taking there level of nfl to his level. jmo

Jc

Man everytime I defend his dude he does something else to screw it up.

Man we got some knuckleheads on this squad.

Depends on what you mean by "value".

I know i'm not a gm, but if I was

trading:

5th round+ yes I would take a chance on him in an instant.

4th round = depending on my team, would think for a moment, look at our draft board and still might pull the trigger.

3rd round = would really evaluate how deep the draft was / our draft position, and depending on that.... would ask for some kind of filler with it. Examples : swapping later round picks this year / swapping future round picks based on performance / back up player like our TE Dray

2nd round = 98% probably not, going to have to blow me away with some offer or hope they are desperate into taking some crazy offer that I put out there.

1st = hell no

+1

The Browns should be able to get a couple first round picks for him that they will ultimately mess up...

I love Afroman

What bothers me the most is that the Browns have really stood by this guy and supported him. He has had more chances the last few years than most guys get in a lifetime, yet he continues to make selfish decisions that hurt those who have stood by him.

Exactly.

I highly doubt we cut him, Manziel and Gilbert in the offseason. But man,

I and a bunch of others wanted Sammy Watkins and teddy bridgewater with our first rounders.

Those guys would've been HUGE for this team.

and in thank you for the support, Gordon will unleash his lawyers on the Browns to try and get the suspension lifted.

Part of me wants to keep this clown long enough to find a trading partner, the other part wants him gone yesterday.

Think about this.

Could have had Beckham, Bridgewater or Carr, AND Buffalos first round pick.

I have trouble seeing a scenario where Gordon is back. He's proven to be nothing but a cancer and was given numerous opportunities.

Latest report:

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On #FFT @JasonLaCanfora said "this is it" for Josh Gordon with the #Browns. "They want him out of that building."

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I will take the "Three B's."

Beckham, Bridgewater, and Buffalo's 1st round pick. Wow!

Eh, I'm not high on Bridgewater, but in light of everything else, that draft would have been exponentially better than what we ended up with.

Could have had the top two OROY candidates AND Buff's first round pick. Wow.

Let us hope the front office(Farmer) realizes this and doesn't count on Meathead in the future. We need to find a replacement at fast!

There was a report earlier that Gordon has completely worn out his welcome with the team. Period. It was implied that this was all the way to the top. (and if I can find the darn article again I'll post it)

I suspect that we will see if we can get a can of tuna fish and a couple packets of mayo for Gordon and Manziel, and move on. At least maybe we rid ourselves of Manziel's contract.

Believe me Y-Town There will be some team that will give us a good return on Gordon SF offered us a 2nd rd. pick and a starting Defensive player last year ... If we get that again I would jump all over it

We won't get that now. No chance. This latest incident halved Gordon's value, at the least.

Then we keep him and get him turned around

I think that Gordon is gone, even if we have to just cut him.

Or when he fails his next test.

This is where coaches earn their corn - do we want Mangini or Romeo? It's not a high pressure gig for nowt

Personally I'd get rid - we need a team mentality. Josh doesn't seem to be into that, judging by his actions to date. Probably a stand-up guy, but no good for me as a fan of a team.

if the team wanted to trade him... they wouldn't have suspended him. they would have let it slide and traded him in the off-season.

Desperation to win and not bow out until they could see if they could help him.. sometimes it's better to try than not.

I'd do it for an IOU from Wimpy and a bag of magic beans...

Except that his trade value is higher with the suspension. I don't for one minute believe that the FO made this punishment up just to get that RFA year but they're certainly not going to pass up the opportunity if the knucklehead hands it to them on a plate and it's a justifyable penalty.

how would it be higher? it just shows he can't grow up and the laundry list of stupidity and meaningless words continue to spew from how mouth.

+2

Because now any team trading for him gets him as an RFA after next season as opposed to possibly losing him after one year..

It might not improve his value much... but it does some..

If we toss in a free Taco Bell app, think a team might bite? (pun intended)

+10

'Ray Farmer expects Josh Gordon to fight suspension, indicates he could be gone'

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ss..._social_feature

By Mary Kay Cabot, Northeast Ohio Media Group on December 30, 2014 at 5:50 PM, updated December 30, 2014 at 6:52 PM

BEREA, Ohio -- Browns general manager Ray Farmer expects a battle from Josh Gordon's representatives on his suspension for the Ravens game and subsequent delayed year of free agency. He also acknowledged the Browns are trying to determine if Gordon is worth the trouble.

"I'm sure that they probably will contest it,'' said Farmer in his season wrap-up press conference Tuesday. "From our perspective it is what it is and we'll deal with that through the right channels."

The Browns have grown tired of Gordon's indiscretions and are contemplating cutting him. His latest misstep was oversleeping for the Saturday morning walk-through, which resulted in the one-game suspension for the season finale. It followed a series of tardies for which he was fined.

"I'm not one to talk publicly about my interactions with the players, and I've had conversations with Josh, recent and past,'' said Farmer. "When the final determination is made, Josh will be the first to know and then everybody else will find out after that."

Gordon's suspension cost him an accrued season, which requires six games on the active roster. He was active for only five. His representatives have been trying to work something out with the Browns, but are expected to file a grievance. The suspension could cost Gordon millions, because he's now set to become an unrestricted free agent after 2016 instead of 2015.

If the Browns try to trade Gordon when the new league year opens in March, the extra year of rights would be beneficial. His $1.33 million average salary makes him a tradeable commodity. Most top receivers make $11 million to $16 million.

Gordon has supporters on a number of teams, including the Vikings (former Browns assistants Norv and Scott Turner), the Colts (former Browns head coach Rob Chudzinski) and Broncos (former Browns GM Tom Heckert).

Farmer said the Browns will huddle to determine whether or not to keep the three players that gave them problems this season: Gordon, Manziel and Justin Gilbert.

"That'll be a conversation that we have between the staff and the coaches,'' he said. "We'll make that determination, and then if it does happen, it'll happen in time. It won't happen today."

He wouldn't say that Gordon, who's been suspended twice by the NFL for violations of the substance-abuse policy, is a lost cause.

"I strive in every respect to give every guy the opportunity to achieve success,'' said Farmer. "I will fight tooth-and-nail to get those guys those things (they need), and when they demonstrate that they're either un-saveable or we can't help them anymore, or they don't want the help, then we'll move on.''

Farmer stressed that Gordon's issues may outweigh his immense talent.

"One of the things that I was told when I was a young player in this league is that your best ability may be your availability,'' said Farmer. "You've got to be accountable to yourself, to others and to this organization. I think that Jimmy (Haslam) made that clear after the game. I think that Pett (Mike Pettine) made that clear yesterday. I guess I'm just putting the period on it today.''

He disagreed with Browns left tackle Joe Thomas that Gordon's return after 10 games this year was a detriment to the offense.

"No one person causes or derails anything,'' he said. "We as a group have to overcome whatever obstacles we have, and we didn't do that late in the year. I wouldn't put that on Josh. I wouldn't put that on any one individual."

He said he doesn't regret not drafting a receiver in the aftermath of Gordon's drug ban.

"I know everyone says I'm stubborn or I'm going to be obstinate about this wide receiver position, but I just think that at the end of the day an offensive line affects every single play of the game,'' he said. "A wide receiver may touch the ball 10 times if he's having a great day, so I just like the idea of 'let's get the guys that affect the game all the time, and let's try and get those guys and make a difference for our football team.' ''

Between Farmer's philosophy on elite receivers and Gordon's off-the-field issues, it wouldn't be a surprise for the Browns to part ways this offseason.



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Gordon's a lost cause. He should have come back contrite and determined, but instead, he was driving around with friends smoking pot, said teammates were alienating him and didn't even try in practice or games. Forget it. Chasing after 2013 will just break our hearts.
Farmer said he was stubborn not draft a WR, but he made it sound like the only chance was in the first round. Hecould have taken one later. He went the whole draft without grabbing one. That is the problem.

I think it would be surprising to see the team get anything for him, even a seventh round pick. I now see him being cut. They just kept the piece of garbage too damn long! Team will be in much better shape without him.

Shocked me to see how many fans stood up for this idiot. Bu-bye Gordon...good riddance!

Remember they said they were going to stick to their guns and not change who they were going to draft just because of one player (Gordon).... I always thought that was not a wise decision.

We could have really used one tall receiver this last season.... And for Browns fans? A tall receiver means over 3 feet tall. Ha-ha!

I NEVER do this, but I'll make an exception this one time...

ROFL!

just saw that on espn as well.

cut him. i don't want anything to do with him. he's had chance after chance and completely blew it. no longer even worth a trade offer.

Good riddance!!!!