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We need to re-sign Hoyer. Manziel clearly is nowhere near ready to execute this offense. Nor does the current QB class possess the ability to start day one.

Hoyer, while reflecting on the season and reading other impressions, went downhill once Mack was injured and Gordon returned. He tried to press too much with the long ball, couldn't get the ball out quick enough, and then relied on circus throws for a big play. The running game breaking down greatly impacted his play. I say we keep our Alex Smith while trying to improve the offensive cast around him.

Draft a QB in the future; first see if Manziel will ever have the light come on in his head.

That's actually a very reasonable question....

If Brian Hoyer doesn't want a ridiculous amount of money to come back I wouldn't mind bringing him back or letting him compete for the starting spot, I just don't think this franchise is ever going to get anywhere with him leading the way. He isn't a bad QB, he's smart, he works hard and he has the respect of the locker room but he just doesn't have the arm talent to ever be anything special. The ladder half of the year all he did was over or under throw receivers, and he struggled with inaccuracy issues and arm strength. Quite frankly he needs everything around him to function perfectly for him to be effective.

I understand that we were limited with our weapons a majority of the year but that doesn't really excuse some of his mechanical flaws and arm strength issues. If our running game isn't working and our defense isn't creating a bunch of extra possessions, Hoyer just isn't capable of carrying the offense on his back. It's not a knock on the guy, it's just true, he played his worst football of the year down the stretch when the games got more important. He helped us win 7-games but was just as responsible for 6-losses this year.

If we can't get someone like Sam Bradford or Nick Foles than sure, make a big push to bring Hoyer back.

Was my reply to him equally reasonable?

I always loved Cutler's talent and I have defended him, but my goodness, the guy had great receivers and an outstanding RB in Chicago and they stunk it up.

He plays w/no passion. I wonder if this guy suffers from depression. That is not an insult in any way. In fact, it's a concern.

I think that's a pretty big leap to make.

It's entirely possible that he doesn't really like playing football much, but it's the best way to earn a living.

If a plumber didn't have a passion for plumbing, you probably wouldn't ponder if he was depressed.

Some guys don't enjoy the game. We usually talk about them like it's a mental issue, because most of us would love to play the game for a living and don't consider an alternative.

It is a big leap, but I have had experience in knowing a person who suffers from depression and I see things in his eyes and his body language. Again, it is not an insult at all. It should actually bring him some compassion if true.

If I was Tampa, I'd ask for a few more mid-round picks and tell us we can keep the two losers.

Seriously, who do people keep talking about Gordon and Manziel like they have trade value?

Gordon has never completed a full season with any organization without being suspended, arrested, or failing a drug test. Who is willing to gamble that this behavior will stop?

Manziel is a project QB without an NFL skill set who is a headache and potential liability off the field, who looked like a kid who won a contest on the field

Who, exactly, is going to see those two as players worth giving up assets for?

What would our response be if Farmer shed picks for guys who fit those bills?

We need a veteran QB for next year or we will be slaughtered with that schedule.

I'm reading that Tampa Bay is going after Mariotta. Well, they'll want McCown to teach him, but they must not want Glennon. We'd have made the playoffs with Mike Glennon as our QB all season. They guy has a cannon arm and threw 19 TDs and 9 picks as a rookie. He is WAY better than Hoyer, and still has upside. I would be thrilled to have him come in and tell Johnny, you think you're better, beat that guy out.
I wonder what it would take to get him.

I hear ya eo. There is no doubt that something went wrong about midway thru the season. I'll be honest, i don't have a clue why that stuff happens. Hoyer did float a lot of passes right before he was benched.

I'm not making excuses so much as trying to rationalize why. I guess I tend to be a lot more lenient because i think guys that are playing in their first season (and Hoyer was) probably have so much crap going thru their heads that the deserve a bit of slack.

I just think all these qb's that we shuffled thru here got a crappy hand dealt to them. I think you judge a guy with a few years in a system, then you can see what you probably have. Before that? I'm not so sure.

Maybe they think we are better with someone else, all i know is that whoever we get should get some time.

we'll see what they do, I just wish we knew sooner rather than later.

We need to stop coming up with somewhat reasonable ideas...

Were just ganna disappoint ourselves.

I was part of that group and still am!

I will bring it by saying that I think Mariota is a terrible prospect. He is a one read qb who frequently reads LESS than half the field. He is not accurate when pressured. He is a great athlete playing in a system that exploits the lack of talent on the defensive side of the football in college.

Bring it? lol

I have no clue what we do. All I do know is if they think that guy is the next Luck, then maybe you do something like that. Problem is that tampa needs a guy like that too. Why would they if he is so great?

Washington was stupid for selling their soul for RG3. I would rather draft someone from the lower rounds and sit them for a few years and develop them. Insert a Hoyer, or whoever, for a few years.

Manziel needs to sit and learn, most rookies do.

And this staff didn't pick all of those guys. Jury is still out on Gilbert and Manziel.

Our run defense was better when taylor was in the game, and mingo seems to be playing better. Don't know how you count richardson, because he's the Manziel pick.

What team has its last 6 first rounders all playing at a high level? Seems to me that you think every other gm is just batting 1000, and we are striking out.

How is not wanting any of the QB's at the top of a given draft class not consistent with or antithetical to the notion that the QB is the most important position on the team?

LOL..........at least your consistent.

How did that turn out for you, btw? You loving that Gilbert pick?

I loved it at the time..

Don't hate it now.

IMO he'll be fine.

I admittedly wanted nothing to do with Watkins, and while he's talented I don't think he was worth #4 overall (plus a 1st) But was shocked and excited with the pick of Gilbert.. somewhat because I feared we traded up to 8 to take Manziel..

Will you explain why you think Gilbert will be fine?

Seriously man...........he has received more criticism from his teammates and coaches than any player who has ever played for the Browns.......and this is year one.

What the hell makes you---and others--besides blind homerism and wanting to blame EVERYTHING on JM feel he is going to be okay? He freaking stunk this year!

Because he's a talented player..who's young and immture. We brought in guys like Dansby and Whitner to be leaders.. Let them lead him..

Hell if he's not late for the final meeting are any of these articles written about him? Beyond that transgression, he's just been an inconsitent player..

Considering the majority of them were written about him before he was late to the final meeting?

Yeah.

well these problems ( noted by coaches and teammates ) is most disconcerting ( as is his getting beat out by a UDFA), and obviously if he is unable to correct those then all this is mute and he will be nothing more than another is the list of busts.

But at the end of the season, I saw better ball awareness, smoother hips and more confident coverage.... now he still has a LOOOOONG way to go, and frankly seeing him early he almost HAD to improve, but I am not closing the book just yet

The Heisman seems to be the kiss of death for QBs wanting to play in the NFL..
NFL.com - Recent Heisman Winners in the FNL



I am wondering just how well the college game - with all the rushing yards by QB's - is transferring into the needed pocket passers in the NFL. I wonder why you think Mariota will be different?

The problem with Gilbert, even if he does become a starter, is we didn't need him at that slot. We foun an UDFA who beat him out easily, Desir looks better and we have Haden and Skrine. Why did we go CB there? Fans said it then, and we have a right to say it now.
If we'd have made the deal with Buffalo and then taken Beckham or Evans, we could say we really nailed it. Got a better receiver than Watkins and got the pick.
But we took a CB who made 29 tackles. Might as well have kept McFadden.

Williams didn't beat out Gilbert.

They play different positions.

Sorry, I am not buying it. Gilbert has received more criticism from his teammates and coaches than any player I can ever remember. Y'all like to point out every JM misstep, but Gilbert is getting ripped way more by the people in the know.

What makes matters worse is that he is getting paid more. He was drafted higher. He was almost handed the starting job.

He freaking blew it. How arrogant and stupid do you have to be to say that you would rather sleep in than study like K. Williams has?

Seriously, man..............how freaking wrong is that?

What?

Playing outside and playing the slot are two different positions.

Ask Nnamdi Asomugha

Aren't you tired of typing this?

You post it every single time anyone says anything about Gilbert.

We get it. Gilbert is the devil and should be crucified.

Hilarious.

Go check out the number of posts about JM being the devil as compared to the number of posts about Gilbert being the devil.

I just love when you guys get all upset at receiving a dose of your own medicine.

Are you really that upset because more people talk about one of the possibly most high profile QBs in recent memory than a Corner?

Justin Gilbert could of killed someone wth his car, or had an illegal gambling ring, and still not got the coverage Manziel gets..

Fair enough, but if Gilbert would've been a stud from the beginning, it would've been he and Haden at corners and Skrine at the slot. We did not use No. 8 overall to get a backup to Haden. K. Williams got more time and played a lot better.

Excuse me...
Isn't this thread supposed to be about Hoyer? I am confused...

'Brian Hoyer won’t rule out a return to Cleveland'

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/12/30/brian-hoyer-wont-rule-out-a-return-to-cleveland/

Posted by Darin Gantt on December 30, 2014, 4:09 PM EST

The Browns benched Brian Hoyer so they could play first-round pick Johnny Manziel, and then General Manager Ray Farmer said he couldn’t rule out using a first-round pick on a quarterback.

Despite all that — or perhaps because of it — Hoyer is open to staying.

“He loved Cleveland and he loved the fans, his teammates,” agent Joe Linta said, via Jeremy Fowler of ESPN.com. “He would have no problems coming back as long as it’s a fair competition.”

Of course, the definition of fair could vary, depending on your perspective. There will be jobs open, possibly starting jobs. And as Hoyer has established himself as part of the solid, dependable, unspectacular middle class (much like Ryan Fitzpatrick), the chances of his finding a starting job aren’t out of the question.

But it doesn’t sound like the Browns are thinking it’ll be there.

“If he wants to be back, that leverage is definitely in his court to make that happen,” Farmer said. “I would say from a business perspective, people don’t always see eye-to-eye. Your value for how you see something vs. how I see it doesn’t always come together. That’s how things don’t happen. That’s something for Brian’s agent and I to work out.”

For the agent, it would be crazy to rule out any possibilities in a free market.

Even it seems crazy for Hoyer to go willingly back into that situation.



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It sounds like he won't be back. That's too bad.

You stated that you KNOW that if we had TB on our team right now we would no longer be having conversations about who should be our next QB. THAT is laughable...fall down on the floor holding your side laughable...and for more than just TB's play/promise.

I like Garropolo much better than TB. Size, release, arm strength...all of it. I don't expect you to like it as you are heavily invested in TB...as I said, time will tell. YOU are the one stating that TB is said to be the savior in MN...I'm not claiming Garropolo to be a savior anywhere...I just like him more.

I missed your posts in my QB threads...must have been deleted or something. Apparently you have an opinion but you don't have the ability or willingness to share that opinion...you'd rather just throw stones. You must be too busy obsessing over why a 1st Rd CB isn't being criticized as much as a 1st Rd QB who had pre-draft, hype/self-hype that rivaled Bosworth and RG3.

It appears to me that your suggestion for fixing our QB problem is to get into a time machine, go back to the 2014 draft, and selct TB. I am getting quite the kick out of your man-crush on TB.