DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Tailgate Forum Let's talk Arm Strength VS YAC

It would be nice to have an arm that can accurately heave
it from goal to goal but that's not realistic.

So, for starters, how far should a QB accurately throw
the ball? How about a Hail Mary, as in all out winging it,
regardless of accuracy?
Now For YAC.
What % goes to QB and what % to receiver?
How does "getting open" figure in this?

Example: Watching LSU vs ND yesterday. LSU tossed a
75yd TD to open the 2nd half solely on the rec.'s
ability to get W-I-D-E open.

IMHO I think the receiver's ability to get open or make YAC should carry more
weight than arm strength.

Qb should be able to throw, accurately, 20 yds.

Hail Mary is up to the receiver to fight for the ball

Do you spend alot of time talking to yourself like this?

Yards is yards,don't matter how you get 'em,just so long as you keep gettin 'em

Then why does everyone put so much importance on HOW you get the yards?

Ideally, your QB isn't putting you into a position where you have to choose between them, and you have both options available to you.

You want your QB to have arm strength, and the ability to find an open receiver who will get you YAC.

Well, seems like 20-25 yards would be max due to the amount of time...for deep throws, the ability to hit 50 yards would seem to be good. the closer the throw the higher degree of accuracy needed- maybe?? Mainly because the more hang time the more deep safety's have time to cover and a 3 second hang time is a looooong time..

I would imagine that coordinators build a play to be executed in coverage at a specific yardage...say a 10 yard out is meant to get you 10 yards..anything after is gravy..So YAC would be a product of separation, poor coverage or poor position by a defender, or a missed attempt at a ball, or no backup defense close by?

In the recent game with Carolina, we saw Cam Newton complete an 18 yard out to K Benjamin on 3rd & 7. The pass was a laser that hit a leaping Benjamin at the sideline, just over the reach of Desir, who had good coverage. If you do the math (Pythagorean Theorem), the pass had to travel about 30 yards. For most QBs that would need to be a touch pass with incredible timing, but Newton put some stank on it and got it there on a line, in the blink of an eye. I remember thinking that there might only be 4 or 5 guys in the league that could make that throw.

I'm no math genius so maybe you can answer this for me...Cam is listed at 6'5"...how much (if any) does QB height impact accuracy vs. distance? I'm thinking that the higher release point of the football (height of the QB) the flatter the ball trajectory over longer distance, thus more accurate at a greater distance? Does that sound right?

What really great arm strength provides you is diversity. If an opposing defense knows you have a QB that can make every throw, even the long ones with accuracy and strength, they must concentrate heavily in the secondary. It stretches out the defense and makes running the ball much easier. It makes it harder for them to load up the line.

That's why even if you have a QB who doesn't possess great arm strength, you still see him throw long a few times to keep the opposing defense honest.

While having great arm strength isn't a necessity for a winning team, it is another weapon in your offensive arsenal that is great to have.

Not sure about that. Aaron Rodgers is only 6-2 and he's one of the guys I thought could make the throw I described. I suppose its possible you're right because two others were Roethlisberger and Flacco, both 6-5 or more. From the past, Vinny Testaverde and Doug Williams come to mind - both tall QB's (I think they were both 6-5 or so).