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I'm a bottom line person.
The Browns finished in the last place again in the North.
This "new" regime right now seems have the same traits of the previous
failures of Clark, Davis/Garcia, Savage, Heckert, Lombardi.
Hitting on some mid RD picks, a few college FA, and but missing on the 1st RD
picks especially the QB.
when you talk about 2 QBs,you don't have one.
I see so many similarities from the past regimes.
the glaring ones are
1. The GM is in over his head.
2. The head coach is usually the Browns 3rd or 4th on the list,"not the guy" they wanted.
3. WR character problems.
4. Defense can't stop the run.
5. QB issues.
6. Can't win more than 2 games in the AFC North at best
7. team crashes and burns in the 2nd half of the season.
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Well, I have been a Brown's Fan all my life. Grew up on Lake Erie and have rooted for the Browns since birth...  Your question actually got me thinking about the 'good old days', were for some reason, I seem to remember us winning all the time. I'm going to look at 10-year chunks of time for my lifetime of die-hard fanning the Browns... 1969-1979: 6 seasons over .500 1980-1990: 6 Seasons over 500 1991-1994: 3 straight losing season, 1994 had 11 wins Not counting 1995  which I seem to recall we were 5-0 when they announced the move?? the point? In my lifetime (before they moved), we have had consecutive winning seasons (deemed > .500) a few times: 1971 - 1972 : Followed by 3 consecutive sub .500 1979 - 1980 : followed y 4/5 sub .500 seasons 1986 - 1989 : My one huge span of WE RULE football! We use the term dysfunctional front office and organization since we came back. As much as I love the Browns and will always support them, in my life time they have never seem to find an established winning formula...the span in the mid-late 80's was the only block I would call a successful span. back to your question - we have suffered this for many decades - for some reason I just don't remember it this way and not sure why?? Is there just a thread of how we do business that has never really worked in the past 45 years?
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I think most of these problems have to do with lack of depth of talent on this team.
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the one thing thats always stood out with me.
The Browns have always brought in a GM that was the coffee filler to the GM in their last role.
The Browns have never hired a GM who had a successful track record as a GM elsewhere.
The Bills are smart in bringing in Bill Polian.
Hes been down that road before.His resume speaks for itself.
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The Bills didn't get Polian. Good point though.
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If you are a bottom line guy, then you should be happy with this past season.. they won 7 games and were in a few that could have gone either way until the closing seconds.
But, what is it you suggest that haslam do now? What would you do if you were Haslam?
Just curious. Many folks complain, but the (for the most part) offer up what they feel is a solution.
what's yours?
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Impatient I see. The regime has been together one year. ONE year. Progress was made. I'm a bottom line person.
The Browns finished in the last place again in the North.
Progress was made, despite lacking a QB and a bevy of injuries. If you have expectations that the team in one year would go from last place to first place, then maybe your expectations are the real issue.
This "new" regime right now seems have the same traits of the previous
failures of Clark, Davis/Garcia, Savage, Heckert, Lombardi.
Hitting on some mid RD picks, a few college FA, and but missing on the 1st RD
picks especially the QB.
How many quarterbacks get drafted in the first round and how many are successful? How many quarterbacks are drafted at all and how many are successful? How many really good quarterbacks are there in the league? 8-10 maybe. Then 10-12 mediocre and the rest bad. My point is that odds are not in any teams favor when drafting a QB, even worse so when you're changing GMs and coaching staffs every couple years.
I see so many similarities from the past regimes.
the glaring ones are
1. The GM is in over his head.
What makes you think so after one season? What did he do so terribly? If it is about Johnny, how do you know he even made that pick? It seems that Haslam was potentially very influential in that decision, maybe Haslam should be a lot less like Daniel Snyder and let the guy do his job.
2. The head coach is usually the Browns 3rd or 4th on the list,"not the guy" they wanted.
How can you possibly blame this regime on that? Maybe having terrible teams and a coaching carousel has something to do with that?
3. WR character problems.
He was "drafted" by the previous regime and you're thinking that the new regime would fix him. Again, maybe your expectations are the issue here.
4. Defense can't stop the run.
Injuries to your starters have a little impact on that, but if you expect one year into a regime that this would be fixed, then maybe your expectations are the issue. Not a fan of Manziel or drafting him, my guy was Garroppolo. Regardless, it is really difficult to fix this in one year. Also, see my comments above on QB success. Keep drafting guys until you get one right...
6. Can't win more than 2 games in the AFC North at best
Kind of tough when the other 3 teams in your division all make the playoffs.
7. team crashes and burns in the 2nd half of the season.
Injuries decimated the team, Shanahan's play calling became obvious, and we lost any play from the QB position. Don't blame the regime after one year yet on this.
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I'm a bottom line person.
The Browns finished in the last place again in the North.
This "new" regime right now seems have the same traits of the previous
failures of Clark, Davis/Garcia, Savage, Heckert, Lombardi.
Hitting on some mid RD picks, a few college FA, and but missing on the 1st RD
picks especially the QB.
when you talk about 2 QBs,you don't have one.
I see so many similarities from the past regimes.
the glaring ones are
1. The GM is in over his head.
2. The head coach is usually the Browns 3rd or 4th on the list,"not the guy" they wanted.
3. WR character problems.
4. Defense can't stop the run.
5. QB issues.
6. Can't win more than 2 games in the AFC North at best
7. team crashes and burns in the 2nd half of the season.
When someone calls themselves a "bottom line" person and proceeds to only list the negative aspects of the season or perceptions that only are negative, I wonder if anything positive can ever exist in your mind.
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Impatient I see. The regime has been together one year. ONE year. Progress was made. I'm a bottom line person.
The Browns finished in the last place again in the North.
Progress was made, despite lacking a QB and a bevy of injuries. If you have expectations that the team in one year would go from last place to first place, then maybe your expectations are the real issue.
This "new" regime right now seems have the same traits of the previous
failures of Clark, Davis/Garcia, Savage, Heckert, Lombardi.
Hitting on some mid RD picks, a few college FA, and but missing on the 1st RD
picks especially the QB.
How many quarterbacks get drafted in the first round and how many are successful? How many quarterbacks are drafted at all and how many are successful? How many really good quarterbacks are there in the league? 8-10 maybe. Then 10-12 mediocre and the rest bad. My point is that odds are not in any teams favor when drafting a QB, even worse so when you're changing GMs and coaching staffs every couple years.
I see so many similarities from the past regimes.
the glaring ones are
1. The GM is in over his head.
What makes you think so after one season? What did he do so terribly? If it is about Johnny, how do you know he even made that pick? It seems that Haslam was potentially very influential in that decision, maybe Haslam should be a lot less like Daniel Snyder and let the guy do his job.
2. The head coach is usually the Browns 3rd or 4th on the list,"not the guy" they wanted.
How can you possibly blame this regime on that? Maybe having terrible teams and a coaching carousel has something to do with that?
3. WR character problems.
He was "drafted" by the previous regime and you're thinking that the new regime would fix him. Again, maybe your expectations are the issue here.
4. Defense can't stop the run.
Injuries to your starters have a little impact on that, but if you expect one year into a regime that this would be fixed, then maybe your expectations are the issue. Not a fan of Manziel or drafting him, my guy was Garroppolo. Regardless, it is really difficult to fix this in one year. Also, see my comments above on QB success. Keep drafting guys until you get one right...
6. Can't win more than 2 games in the AFC North at best
Kind of tough when the other 3 teams in your division all make the playoffs.
7. team crashes and burns in the 2nd half of the season.
Injuries decimated the team, Shanahan's play calling became obvious, and we lost any play from the QB position. Don't blame the regime after one year yet on this. He's trolling was my first thought. new name to the board w only 2 posts. Dont feed the Trolls
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