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That's not really saying much, is it?

After watching the Cotton Bowl over the long weekend I'm on the Bryce Petty bandwagon...

That kid looks extremely confident, in charger, and a master of his offense.

On top of that, he's got good size and mobility, and from what I noticed he has an extremely quick release and good accuracy.

I say take him at #19 or in the 2nd round now...

Spread QB's make me nervous, but his quick and accurate release, and ability to read the field makes me think he could make it in the NFL...

Well, I think it does say enough. I'd take him 100 times out of 100 over Manziel.

I don't think there's any way the Browns take a QB in the first round. Too many other needs and I think the FO wants to at least pretend like they're still all in with Johnny.

That said, Petty did look pretty good the couple times I saw him play. Looks very accurate. Does he translate to the NFL? That's the million dollar question.

I would trade Gordon, Manziel, and a conditional pick for Jimmy Garoppolo. I would not even have to think twice about it. Tom would have manziel in his place REAL fast =) Might even save Manziel's career.

I have no problem with that honestly..

The only question I have is if you're starting Jimmy right away or are you bringing someone to compete/bridge the gap?

I would probably resign Hoyer or hell even franchise tag him(not like we have cap issues) but give Jimmy a chance to compete. He learned the patriots offense pretty darn fast so I am willing to bet he could pick our up fast too.

I still say Jimmy was the best QB drafted this year. If not for Haslem we might have landed him too and he would have won the starting job with ease I think.

The problem is I don't think the Patriots would let him be traded at all. They fully expect him to be Brady's replacement. Bill said it before the draft and then he went and drafted him so I think it will happen. I think Tom will get edged out the door much like Favre did.

What I liked most about Petty was that he wasn't just reading one receiver, he was able to read the whole field on some plays, which is pretty rare for a college quarterback. He had an extremely quick release and you could just tell he was confident and in charge with the way he was commanding the offense. He had really solid accuracy too and good mobility. I think he would make an excellent pick.

Not interested in Brett Hundley any sooner than the 3rd or 4th round though. He's a one-read QB with mechanical issues and needs a complete clean pocket to be effective. We can get that by re-signing Brian Hoyer.

I'm all in on this. Garoppolo was who I wanted in the first place. Not some young arrogant punk who wants to party and live it up and then think he can just step on a nfl field and dominate

Glennon would be an excellent backup/challenger.


Here's the weird thing about the Browns this year. I think that they can be successful enough with just serviceable QB play. We saw that this season was a 7-4 season with minimal distractions and serviceable QB play. When the QB faltered, and when I say faltered...it's no longer played serviceable football, things fell apart.

If you can get a QB that can play at the early season Brian Hoyer level for an entire season...we can be successful.

If we get a guy like a Connor Shaw, Sam Bradford, Mike Glennon, etc...and be even decent with them...or Brian Hoyer if he doesn't fall apart late...
We can win football games.

It would be foolish for the Browns to draft a QB at this point in time I feel because of how it can set back their time table for success...Lets get someone on the field that has experience in the league.

Glennon is trash.

What do you base that on? I have seen him a few times, and he has looked decent in some of those games, and not so great in others. I haven't seen anything I would describe as "trash" though. What have you seen that makes you offer that assessment?

I've been looking hard at all the QB's in this draft and I don't see any that I really like to be solid NFL starters. The top 3-4 don't look any better than Geno Smith to me and the rest fall off from there.

I have no idea what is going to happen at QB but I sure wish we could catch lighting in THAT bottle.

Anybody here if Boykin from TCU is thinking about coming out this year?

If so, anybody have any scouting info on him?

jc

Nobody is talking about the best FA option:

Matt Moore

Last time he started was 2011 and since didn't get to start since Tannehill, but I remember some Dolphins fans wanting to give him another try after posting

60.5%, 2500yds, 7.2ypa, 16/9 TD/INT in 12 starts

That's an upgrade right there and significantly better than anything we have

Farmer was doing a lot of double speak in his presser. He wasn't being honest about a number of things.

He tried to trade up in the first round for both Cooks and Beckham long before Manziel was drafted.

So I would say any position is on the table at any of our picks.

For some reason bro, he reminds me of Brandon weeden in college.

This year for example, all he did was throw it to Evans. Just like weeden to Blackmon.

And just like weeden, if his #1 target was covered, well.....

I just don't want to bring it any more backups. I want starters. He isn't a starter, and on some squads he might even be third string.

But he was actually better last year, without Evans. He completed 59.4% of his passes for 2608 yards in 13 games, with 19 TD passes and 9 INT. He had Vincent Jackson ... and a bunch of guys. He did have Doug Martin at RB, but the Bucs, last year, (and this as well) were a bad team.

That's true. I forgot all about last year. He was decent.

I just don't feel he has what it takes to start for a team and take them to the playoffs. Right now we have the pieces that all we need is legit QB play and we are in. I don't feel he has that.

My interest in Glennon is basically the idea of trading for any young QB who's shown promise, that could come in and run a ball control offense..

I'd honestly feel better with Glennon than bringing back Hoyer..

But we're changing offenses at least somewhat now with Kyle gone..

So who knows..

just clicking and adding my two cents

Now, I;m not going to say no QB in this draft. After all, sometimes people slide and you have to take him just out of values sake.

But I swear, if we move up to go for Winston or Mariota or reach for someone else with a first rounder, I will lose what little sanity I have left.

Let's look at a few things

First and foremost, this QB crop is sketchy at best. In my opinion, Mariota is likely the only top 10 guy here and I wouldn't even say he's a slam dunk. Winston has warning bells all over the place...from off field issues to a dramatic fall off in his TD/INT ratio this year. Virtually every other QB coming out is a project.

Second, people are seriously ready to toss Manziel after ONE game? Cuz seriously...that's all he really played minus some time against the Bills and the start of the game against the Panthers. My god people....listen to yourselves. I'm not saying Manziel didn;t look horrible against the Bengals but did ANYONE look good against them? Our entire team was flat.

I thought I'd have a longer list....but that's actually it.

I get the impatience folks. We need a leader, a captain of the ship. But you don't fire a guy who has had one bad day on the job. And let's not even talk about the off field stuff.... we're concerned with how he plays on Sundays. If someone takes us to the playoffs, he can ride all the inflatable swans he wants.

Manziel needs to learn how to play like an NFL qb and not a college one. If he's willing to work hard and learn he still could be successful.

"It would be foolish for the Browns to draft a QB at this point in time I feel because of how it can set back their time table for success...Lets get someone on the field that has experience in the league."


I disagree, with qualification. It is NEVER bad to draft a QB if you don't have a great one AND CAN GET ONE. I do not know if we can get a great quarterback this year, but it may be a long, long time before we have two first round picks to offer. I don't know if Mariotta, Winston (cringing), Hundley or anyone else is worth it. But if you need a QB and think you have a chance to get THE guy, you have to do it. Especially if you're in such bad shape you're praying Hoyer isn't to pissed off to come back and post a 75 QBR so you can go 5-11.

This may in fact be the worst idea in the history of ideas. Not just football ideas but ANY idea. Like mullets, the KFC Double-Down or the Flow-bee vacuum haircutting tool.

Mullets have never been a bad idea.

The most I'd offer to move up for Winston (who projects better than Mariota) is #12 and #19..

And that's only if I can get rid of Gordon for at least a 3rd this year, and also dump Manziel somewhere.. I don't want Winston and those two in the same room..

And that's only if after talking to Winston I don't feel he's BSing me on his interest in being a Great NFL QB..

Because with the rest of my picks and FA I bring in solid WRs that can run good routes and catch the ball, more defenders to stop the run and rush the passer..

Because IMO Winston in a ball control offense, with a solid defense and good WRs can be successful right out of the gate..

That's a lot of "Ifs" though. .

OK, first off for the record, I was being flippant for the purpose of humor. You obviously see Mariota and Winston as blue chip candidates. I definitely don't.

That being said, I still see your idea as absolute madness unless you have a QB like Luck coming out. And even then, its sketch. Just look at the situation Washington is now in.

Anyways, as to your questions...

1. Present evidence says no but we're operating off a very small sample of evidence. Ridiculously small in fact. Frankly, I don't think we've seen enough of Manziel to make the judgement call yet.

2. No.... honestly, I don't like either of them- particularly Winston.

I agree, tab... I like Kessler too. I think he's a smart QB and accurate, but he does not have a great arm. I also think Hundley will fall on his face.

Next year in addition to the Seniors Cook, Prescott, Hogan, Boykin, and Kessler there's the wunderkind Goff from Cali, Hackenberg, O'Korn... there will be a much deeper class next year IMO.

I forgot about Goff until you mentioned him. He will be a good one.

If I knew this was plan, I would be happy starting Manziel all yea rand "seeing" what he can do. In the mean time being Ghastly for Goff and taking him at the top of the draft.

Can we draft a new owner?

"I agree that the sample size on Manziel is too small to judge. That being said I never thought he carried a first round grade. And I seriously doubt that he will amount to much."




The sample size on the field is small but the sample size off the field, I think, is big enough.

It was never going to be easy for Manziel's skills to translate to the NFL, but it was possible. The problem is, it would take the overachieving mentality of a gym and film room maniac. He had to be a guy that never gave up - off the field as well as on. Without that, he will never make it work. And we saw pretty clearly that he is not that kind of guy. With apologies to Pastor Marc, it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a spoiled rich drunk to become a workaholic beast.
I wanted it to work, but it ain't happening. We need a QB. Too bad you can't put Connor Shaw's discipline and work ethic together with Johnny's Sunday (or is it Saturday?) moxie. Then, you'd have something.

I think Shaw has the moxie.. just does not have the arm

If we draft a QB I hope it's not a kid that plays in the spread. For some reason we LOVE spread offense QBs.

This conversation is probably not worth discussing because it appears that Haslam and Farmer are going to make sure that Manziel is their qb. If they have to not resign Hoyer to make it happen, fire coaches, or cause them to leave, so be it.

Johnny Football is going to be their man!

Vers: I know you have supported or backed Manziel (and I do understand your reason), but have you hit the end of the road with him? Does his potential (or lack thereof) not translate into starting caliber in your estimation?