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We do it almost every year regardless of who the clown is in the GM chair.

here is the last 10 years..Not sure how to grade them??

The fact of the matter is, when you have a successful plug-and-play system (or in Belichick's case, you can fit a system to your personnel), it's a lot easier to hit on picks, and bring in quality FA's, therefore negating the damage of a botched pick.

The organization matters as much, and at times more, than the player.

If we'd taken Tom Brady in the 6th instead of Spergon Wynn, there's a much higher probability that he'd be selling cars in Ann Arbor right now than there would be him leading us to a bunch of Super Bowls.

The patriots and steelers are two prime examples of extablished franchises who have the luxary of consistant coaching over a long period of time. This allows them to draft through a bad or mediocre year and periodically retool thier team by drafting players that FIT thier systems.

When you have constant turn over at the GM and coaching positions then drafts will always bust because by the time the GM figures out the best possible way to draft players that fit what the coaches want and need they are fired and we start all over again. At least you would HOPE the GM would draft players the coaches wants unlike the crap chud and norv had to deal with.

Let petine have 4-5 years and I will bet that by that 4th year the draft and the team is doing a LOT better.

I grade then MUCHHHHHHHHHHHH better than us.

You simply CANNOT afford to miss with number 1 picks no matter how inexperienced or experienced you are!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When?????????????

We do it almost every year regardless of who the clown is in the GM chair.

CLEVELAND, Ohio – Doug Marrone, high on Jimmy Haslam's list two years ago, is already gone in Buffalo. The bridge behind him looks like the inner belt detonation.

Ken Whisenhunt, who was a repeat head coaching candidate in Berea, took a 7-9 team to 2-14 in his first year in Tennessee.

Chip Kelly, whose interview with Haslam and Joe Banner lasted longer than a coal-miner's overtime shift and shed almost as much light on his intentions, just pulled off a power grab after missing the playoffs in Philadelphia.

Head coach hunting is tough sport.

For that and other more complimentary reasons, Mike Pettine's first season looks better the more distance we gain from his stumbling finish.

The catchword in this organization, if you haven't noticed, is "solid." Solid foundation. Ray Farmer searching for a solid quarterback and solid wide receivers.

By that definition, Pettine looks like a solid head coach in the making, with solid support from his GM and at least a solid pat on the back from his owner.

Low bar? Sure, but still one this organization hasn't cleared in years of limbo. And there is the hint of a lot more growth from Pettine, who doesn't appear to let ego get in his way.

There were mistakes and troubling developments but that's expected. Pettine's first year coincided with Farmer's first draft. That's probably two too many firsts to expect "solid" to tilt toward "spectacular" in a league that tests every aspect of an organization for its weak spots.

We're not sure if Pettine trusted too much in his offensive coaches in naming Johnny Manziel the starter for the Cincinnati game. Or if his own eyes misled him into believing Manziel was – using the coach's word -- "absolutely" ready for the biggest game of the year against the division-leading Bengals who also just happened to be coming into town holding a grudge the size of Paul Brown Stadium.
Browns' Mike Pettine on the decision to start Johnny Manziel vs. Bengals Cleveland Browns head coach Mike Pettine talks about the decision to start Johnny Manziel over Brian Hoyer at quarterback against the Bengals. Pettine said “I’d be a liar if I said I wasn’t excited to see him play.”

Why were Manziel and Justin Gilbert still sloughing off 16 games into the season? That has to be answered more definitively than Farmer's explanation that people mature on different time schedules.

Other than a few assistant coaching changes, Pettine's staff should return fairly intact. (Unless Kyle Shanahan somehow turns two lackluster seasons in different cities into a head coaching job)


Browns' GM Ray Farmer on the 2014 season, Mike Pettine and the performance of his 1st draft Cleveland Browns General Manager Ray Farmer shares his thoughts on the 2014 season, the job that first year head coach Mike Pettine did and the performance of the players he drafted this year.

Again, small praise but important nonetheless. We need only look southeast to Pittsburgh to see the most recent example of the value of stability.

A year ago, after another playoff miss, Todd Haley's belongings were being sized up for a shipping crate, and talk of Dick LeBeau was moving from "legendary" to "aging."

The Steelers' idea of a fix was to bring former head coach Mike Munchak into coach the offensive line.

Haslam had some experience watching how the Steelers do it, right?

The way Pettine carried himself in his first season, and the early results when Brian Hoyer was at his best, showed Pettine is worth the time investment.

Of the seven new head coaches in 2014, he finished in the black at plus-3 in wins. Not quite Bill O'Brien (plus-7 in Houston) or Jim Caldwell (plus-4 to 11 wins in Detroit) but a far cry from Whisenhunt (minus-5) and Lovie Smith (minus-2).

Next year's rotation brings an AFC North on the upswing (Baltimore, Cincy and Pittsburgh all coming off playoff seasons), plus the AFC West and NFC West.

While those opponents clearly look more muscled than the NFC South lightweights who emerged on the Browns' 2014 schedule, it's way too early to play that schedule game.

The Browns, at their best this season, dominated Pittsburgh and Cincinnati once each by a combined 55-13. They don't award playoff spots on the basis of your best two games but it's unfair to suggest the way the season finished ruined everything that went before.

In some other cities throwing out the head coaching nets, the discussion is whether to wait on Seattle defensive coordinator Dan Quinn or Denver offensive coordinator Adam Gace. Sound familiar?

Or whether Doug Marrone was in a bad situation in Buffalo or trumped one up in exercising the out clause in his contract.

The Browns didn't fire a head coach this year. That's the lowest bar of all to measure organizational growth.

But, better, Mike Pettine didn't give them a reason.

Eason never won a SB.... Montana beat Marino in Marion's only sb appearance

Not trying to be anal-retentive on ya 😀

The fact of the matter is, when you have a successful plug-and-play system (or in Belichick's case, you can fit a system to your personnel)

The organization matters as much, and at times more, than the player.

No offense,

but Taylor does not occupy two defenders.

I also disagree w/you about our run defense and think that both Holmes and Kitchen do a better job of holding their ground than Taylor does.

We are to ignore his prior 12 minutes of play cause some claim - can't be judged cause it was against a team all be it playing for their LIVES...let him score to make the game close.

Sammy Watkins, Teddy Bridgewater, Odell Beckman, CJ Mosely.

So I am confused as a fan now as in do we or don't we have our franchise QB.

What don't you get?

The Browns had a screaming need at wide receiver. Gordon was suspended. When BPA and the biggest need intersect you pull the trigger. Simple. Watkins was that person.

Then you had your quarterbacks rated on your Board.
Manziel in the first round??? Bridgewater was available. If you didn't like him Carr was there.

Carr ( even though I did not want him) was a four year stater with size and arm, and release. He was a borderline first rounder.

The %'s you quote mean nothing.

but to say that a new GM should be dumped because his 1st QB only played 7 quarters of football, and struggled, is a little much

1. JM...can still become a great QB. Without a doubt I was as disappointed as all fans were from the brief but still bad bad outings.

According to Farmer Johnny can be "a solid starter". Even the man who drafted him wouldn't say "great".

I would hope not, since he plays on defense. grin