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Versatile Dog, are you saying you think Kyle split because of this, not for insisting he start this year, but that they are committed to FF next year and won't bring anyone else in? Man, if that is the case, I would expect some grew leaks about Johnny to come out from "people close to Kyle" as soon as he lands on his feet.
And Farmer IS a football man, but I guess if Haslam loves the kid, he has to get on board or follow Kyle out the door. But if JFF is really atrocious, Pettine can't stick around and lose with him for too long.
Yeesh. If you had told me before the season we would go 7-9, I would have been sure we were headed in the right direction.

I am not blaming Manziel for this. It's Farmer and Haslam who are doing everything they can to ensure he is the qb.

Manziel? I don't think he is going to be very good, but I don't believe he is involved in the politics of this.

I don't know, Big.

I have just been reading a lot of articles, trying to piece the information together, and do some hypothesizing.

Shanny complained about the FO telling him who to play and for calling plays for him.

Both he and the QB coach were against Manziel playing this year.

Both are gone.

Hoyer, who played better than Manziel, will almost certainly be gone, as well.

I could certainly be wrong about Haslam and Farmer wanting Johnny to be our qb at all costs, but the evidence says otherwise.

I expect you are correct regarding Shanahan, but Loggains wanted Manziel to start Day One...

I agree, they qualify as horrid.

I heard reports from both possible angles. One report said there was friction between Hoyer and Shanahan, and that Shanahan wanted Manziel to play. The other said Shanahan was against playing Manziel. I'm not sure what to believe.

j/c

My gut tells me Haslam and Farmer weighed their QB options last year. Most likely they graded Bridgewater and Manziel about equal. Being it is a business I think they sided with Manziel. At the time, it was obvious who was the fan favorite. Not drafting a QB would not look favorable as well.

Jury is still out whether Bridgewater continues growing and Manziel matures. In the end, both can fail all this debating is for not. Which if I had to bet, I guess neither one does anything special.

Looking at QBs in this draft I see nothing special. To move up and get either Winston or Mariota is a mistake in my opinion. Looking at either you don't see Andrew Luck. I'd really lose faith in Farmer if he did such a deal.

In this draft, I look at upgrading the third QB position. If they can't resign Hoyer, I seriously look at making a trade for Chase Daniels.

Based on what I've been reading and have seen, I would tend to agree with your logic on this Vers. I believe this FO has committed themselves to JFF and that's most likely what we're stuck with.

I certainly don't see us drafting or even attempt to draft any QB to compete with JFF. I'm hoping we see some attempt to sign a bridge QB to compete with JFF but he would have to perform much better than JFF to have a chance to start. I believe too many bridges have been burned with Hoyer for us to see him come back and after his last five games I'd rather see a change anyway.

If Shanny wanted Manziel over Hoyer, than who in the heck was he talking about when he said he was being ignored in regards to playing time?

The two centers who replaced Mack?

Benjamin or Gabriel?

LOL..........you are a smart guy, Dave. Use your brain.

j/c...

I havent read the other responses in this thread but based on talent, Jameis Winston is the best QB prospect in the last 10 years not named Andrew Luck.

With that said, I wouldn't go anywhere near him -- But I'm rooting for him to figure it out because the kid is a special talent.

I like your trade and would do it in a minute. I wanted JG big time. However I don't think the Pats would. If you were the Pats would you?

This makes no sense.

"Hey, Bill, it's Ray Farmer. Would you have any interest in Josh Gordon and Jo- Hello? Bill? You there?"

Belichick took Moss on after he was on the Raiders. That was his peak I-don't-give-a-crap-ness. He signed Albert Haynesworth after his disastrous time with Washington. He dealt with Aaron Hernandez.

If Belichick could get Gordon for nothing he would do it in a second.

Josh Gordon has never completed a full season with an organization without being arrested, suspended, or failing a drug test.

I don't think Belichick is going to trade a guy he just spent a second on for a guy who has fantastic odds of not being on the field, Tim Tebow 2.0 and a conditional pick.

I could see Belichick offering a 4th or 5th for Gordon, but Garappollo?

I think we can both admit this trade is completely unrealistic and will never happen for a multitude of different reasons. But what has changed so much to make our front office now want Garoppolo over Manziel? They just picked Manziel over Garoppolo eight months ago.

Type 'Johnny Manziel' into a Google image search.

I only get rid of him if the coaches determine he isn't good enough. They are the ones who know. We don't know anything about him from what we've seen.

They would possibly make the deal considering they are getting 1 rd player, a 2nd round player, and a 1st round pick. All of that for a second round pick. Bill has the arrogance and the pedigree to take troubled players and make them play better than a younger HC with no cred would have. Unlike Tebow Manziel can actually throw the ball.

If we were to hire Wies then Jimmy becomes a match made in heaven because he would already know the system. Farmer had a good opinion of Jimmy but was worried because he came from a smaller school. Still When Farmer listed what makes an ideal QB Jimmy matched his criteria to the letter.

If Jimmy had been drafted by us he would have beat out Hoyer a long time ago.

We already know Farmer loves Mariota though so if he falls our way I expect we will grab him. Farmer would have drafted him last draft if he had come out early.

I think winston's off field issues will make several teams pass on him. It just too risky to make the head of your team a punk like him.

Maybe we should sign JaMarcus Russell and Tim Tebow, and throw them in to sweeten the pot.

That way, Belichick would be getting three first round players, a second round player, and a first round pick.

Not sure why you guys are discussing trading Johnny Drunk?

The recent incidents involving Shanny and the FO paints a rather clear picture that Manziel is Haslam and Farmer's man.

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If we (Browns) have any sense this year, we will build our team and draft Dak Prescott in the third round. If not, then grab Bryce Petty in forth.

We would have to give up too much to get a first round QB. If we were to get one in the later rounds(4th and beyond), then ok.

I'll give the one thing though, if it's true they want Manziel as their QB no matter what, then atleast we won't go into a QB controversy in the offseason.

Hopefully.

IMO, if our top football men (along with Haslam) really believe that Manziel is their QB, then we have much bigger problem than a QB controversy.

if the browns have any sense, they will stick to players actually in this year's draft pool.

I've seen nothing to make me believe that.

He has a history of problems in a place that has gone out of it's way to enable and shield him.

He's about to get rich and lose that protection.

It's a risky bet.



Again, I'll disagree.

Leaders don't steal, or get suspended from games for being an unflattering jackass.

It's not difficult to get young kids to rally behind you in NCAA football. It's much more different when you're talking about professional men with harsh backgrounds who have mouths to feed.

I see nothing to make me assume Winston has leadership qualities. He's a clown.

In that regard, I point to Manziel as an example. The difference between them is Winston has an NFL skill set. If he suddenly matures and gets it, the odds of success are high.

Problem is, I think odds are low he suddenly wises up. That happens, but it's usually the outlier.

Most of the time.

Sometimes you have direct evidence.

Here had to be a point that we have coaches who learn how to do with troubled talent.

Other teams do it all the time. Hell, crow had issues, and so far not a word about off the field issues.

Sometimes guys just need a change of scenery. I think winstons issues is way more manageable than manziels is.

Totally agree. We just are not in any shape to take on the kind of challenge that he would require.

I think unlike Manziel, you will get more wiggle room with Winston because I think he can play right away. Nobody would care that Johnny was enjoying himself in his free time if he played well. Now you can argue that maybe if he didn't go out so much, that he'd have played better. Maybe, maybe not.

It might just be that he's not good enough at this level yet. Or, it could be that he just won't ever be that good...

As much as I don't think Hoyer is the answer, we may have no choice but to bring him back. I think he will be open to it now that the Johnny mania stuff will die down. He's lost that mystique in 5 quarters. Does anyone here actually think Manziel would beat Hoyer out in next year's training camp? I just think Hoyer is another Matt Schaub. I think for the near future, he's really our only option. Either that, or cut ties with him, and start Manziel, and based off of what we saw, you're going 3-13, or maybe you win 7 games if he somehow figures it out at some point next season.

In other words, this team is screwed for another 2-3 years and that's just unacceptable.

In all 4 playoff games this weekend you had POCKET PASSERS, that is not Johnny Football at all. If we had a starting QB or if we get one in FA or the draft, JF is long gone.

Running has been invaluable to Wilson, but as with all quarterbacks, against better quality of opposition you need to be able to make plays from the pocket. Wilson had developed a hesitation during the regular season this year that didn't exist during the first 12 or 13 weeks of last season.http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2326297-seattle-seahawks-wont-be-beaten-if-russell-wilson-sustains-form

Troubled guys who go to troubled organizations usually end up in trouble.

Sweet talk Cardale Jones into entering the draft and take him in the 2nd round! LOL! After tonight's game what else does he have to play for?

I agree, it's about time to start discussing taking Cardale Jones in the draft. Seriously.