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What people aren't considering is that Frye IS the veteran presence now. It's going to be his third year. He understands what's going on. He's got a year's worth of starts under his belt and two camps as well. We don't need an aged veteran.
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We're still a bad football team right now...remember that.
But we are a much better team than we were at the end of last year.
Dont forget that.
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We're still a bad football team right now...remember that.
But we are a much better team than we were at the end of last year.
Dont forget that.
And not one that's gonna go get a QB killed.
If we're only average right now, it's a HUGE step up compared to where we were last year. I'm near certain we'll give up half the sacks and hits we gave up last year.
A left tackle who as a rookie is better than our best LT since we've been back? A spectacular guard, a lunchpale center, a solid RT playing RG, and a bad LT who will probably make a pretty decent RT? I'll take it.
Throw in the skill positions where we're at least adequate at. I'd like a better #2 receiver but I'll take it given that Winslow is like a #2 receiver.
It's not blind homerism. Keep in mind the Steelers defense won't be the same it was last year, they kept Dick LeBeau, but one of their horses went bye bye to Miami and they're converting to the Cover 2 D.
It's not a matter of "who's face do we want getting planted into the turf." That's like admitting defeat before we even play. It's "Who gives us the best chance to win." and I truly believe Quinn gives us a much better chance to win than #9.
I wanna beat the Steelers, period. It felt damn good to beat them yesterday, and I wanna do it on the field for once.
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Don't get too high on this team just yet, they still have a LOT of holes. We're looking at a 6-10 to 7-9 team this year.
Still need on offense
feature RB
#2 WR
Possibly RG
Still need on defense
DE
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LOLB
Who knows if we even have a punt returner. The only guy returning who returned punts for us last year was sloppy at it.
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It's not blind homerism.
I hear it every year...but it doesn't get any less funnier. 
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Don't get too high on this team just yet, they still have a LOT of holes. We're looking at a 6-10 to 7-9 team this year.
Still need on offense
feature RB
#2 WR
Possibly RG
Still need on defense
DE
NT
LOLB
Who knows if we even have a punt returner. The only guy returning who returned punts for us last year was sloppy at it.
Jamal Lewis is not a feature RB? He had over 1100 yards last year while playing with ankle spurs on a team that was pass happy. He even shared carries with another RB.
#2 WR? Jurevicious isn't good enough to be a #2. I have to disagree. Wilson is also talented and will have a year under his belt to grow. Who knows, maybe even Cribbs will blossom some more.
As for RG, Tucker moving to RG upgrades that position alot. He has played gaurd before and is a mauler type.
DE, Robaire Smith is no slouch.
NT, big Ted is still here, and we signed Smith. Unless you have a crystal ball, there is no way you can say either Robaire or Shuan Smith are not going to help.
LOLB... McGinest played hurt last year and is getting old, so I'll give you that one.
As for a punt returner, the wide out we got from NY, his name slips me right now, Harrison or even Barclay could fill in. Also one of the new CB we took have returned kicks.
With a name like Mensa, you would think that you would have a little bit intelligence. But after reading many of your posts here and in other threads, I have to question your football smarts. 
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Don't get too high on this team just yet, they still have a LOT of holes. We're looking at a 6-10 to 7-9 team this year.
That's the first thing I've seen you post on this board I agree with!
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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heh, ditto.... though I'm slightly more optimistic and am thinking more along the lines of 8-8
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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Without a doubt, Charlie IS our starting day QB.
To be complete honest, for Charlie Frye himself, this might be the best position for him to be in. The pressure is now squarely off his shoulders, and can take great comfort in knowing 100% for sure he is NOT the future. At best in Cleveland, his role is a back-up. Now think about that for a minute, and realize what a valuable commodity a solid back up QB is in the NFL. Should Quinn go down at somepoint, and its an almost guarantee he will get banged up and need a few games off, IMO, Charlie is compotent and capable to step in and do the job effectively. Do well, and other teams will start to value him as well, and might make him a better offer, and maybe he CAN be their starter.
Its my hope he realizes he still has tremendous value to this club, and accepts that role as back-up, and considers himself a large part of the resurgence to greatness, and not just an afterthought. The day will come when we will need him again.
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Jamal Lewis is not a feature RB? He had over 1100 yards last year while playing with ankle spurs on a team that was pass happy. He even shared carries with another RB.
His yards per carry was not good. Take away the two games against us and it was poor. Hopefully the fact that he was injured last year and couldn't rehab properly the year before because he was in jail has a lot to do with his last two sub par years. He has a one year contract for probably two reasons. We didn't want to throw money away and he wants this year to prove to everyone how good he still is and get one last big payday.
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#2 WR? Jurevicious isn't good enough to be a #2. I have to disagree. Wilson is also talented and will have a year under his belt to grow. Who knows, maybe even Cribbs will blossom some more.
I have no faith in Cribbs. I love JJ, he is big and strong with great hands and is fearless across the middle. That is also the combination that makes him often injured. I have seen Wilson in practice and what little he played last year. From my vantage point I think he can be very good. He hardly played last year and I don't know why. Hopefully it's not that the coaches had a different opinion of him.
I didn't want to waste a pick on a receiver this year. I'm hoping Mosley can step up and be a quality backup. I'm also putting faith in Savage to find a udfa receiver who slipped through the cracks.
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DE, Robaire Smith is no slouch.
He is no top tier player either. I would guess he will be at least a decent upgrade over Mckinley. He is already 30 isn't he? Roye is what 34? We don't have any top notch backups. Maybe one of the late rounder will prosper but I'm not counting on it.
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As for RG, Tucker moving to RG upgrades that position alot. He has played gaurd before and is a mauler type.
He is 31 and has an injury history. We also have McKinney for one year who is coming off neck surgery. I do like Friedman as a backup and don't think it would cause major problems if he had to start do to injuries. We have no one else who has stepped up and shown the ability to play the position.
Are backup tackle Butler isn't very good and hopefully Shaffer can play better at RT or can be moved to RG and leave Tuck at RT.
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NT, big Ted is still here, and we signed Smith. Unless you have a crystal ball, there is no way you can say either Robaire or Shuan Smith are not going to help.
Big Ted is what 39? At his age and real weight how many plays do you think he can play a game and be effective? Smith hasn't done much in the NFL after coming in as a UDFA. He will be playing a position for the first time that seems to fit his abilities. I am hoping he can be a big upgrade over the other rotational NTs that pretty much stink.
We were terrible against the run and the d line was a huge reason for it. Even if both Smith's prove to be substantial upgrades we have a ton of improvement to just become average. All three of our sterters will also be over 30 and none seem to be close to a pro bowl level.
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LOLB... McGinest played hurt last year and is getting old, so I'll give you that one.
Peek was signed. He played poorly as a de but didn't play too bad the one year as an OLB. He might suprise us and move into the starters role. We are awful in sacks which exposes are corners even when playing well. If Peek can help contribute with pressure on the QB along with Frasier getting better with pressure and if we are lucky the kid from Hawaii we may improve enough so teams can't pass on us at will.
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As for a punt returner, the wide out we got from NY, his name slips me right now, Harrison or even Barclay could fill in. Also one of the new CB we took have returned kicks.
We won't be able to keep Barclay unless he beats out Harrison. I have no idea what kind of returner Harrison would make. WE drafted a kid in the 7th who I think has a snowballs chance in hell of making it. It is my hope Perkins finally gets it enough at corner so he makes the team and can actually be active game days. He is a legitimate threat as a punt returner. If not I believe we have one of the new corners who can fill that role.
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With a name like Mensa, you would think that you would have a little bit intelligence. But after reading many of your posts here and in other threads, I have to question your football smarts.
You just might be right but do you think it's really needed to post something like that?
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What to do with Frye? Nothing. Have an open competition just like was planned. If Quinn is as ready as advertised he will start. With an improved line Frye will also improve an we will have a viable second stringer. He was a third round pick and not a bad price at all for a backup.
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Don't get too high on this team just yet, they still have a LOT of holes. We're looking at a 6-10 to 7-9 team this year.
Still need on offense
feature RB
#2 WR
Possibly RG
Still need on defense
DE
NT
LOLB
Who knows if we even have a punt returner. The only guy returning who returned punts for us last year was sloppy at it.
I pretty much agree with your assessment, and would be happy with 7 wins. Who knows if that'll save Crennel's job.
I think are biggest weakness is still along the defensive line, as I think all the other position groups are definitely good enough to win with, and I can't say that about the defensive line. Hopefully Smith and Smith help, but I am afraid that not being able to stop the run is gonna really hold this team back.
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just got back from a weekend in Panama City...
so im back guys!!!
im kinda sad that we got Quinn b/c that just boos boos on the hopes of Frye running this offense for years to come... but I think im slowly getting into just having to accept it...
as far as what happens to Frye... I think he gets traded next season (08)... seriously... im sure he doesnt want to be a back up after being a starter..
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