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For the record... this is really only the case because we played a VERY soft schedule. I definitely would not be touting our 7-9 as much as I'd be slapping an asterisk on it.

Just my $0.02.

You're aware that just saying something doesn't make it true, yes?



If you say so.

But I really don't think a guy whose arguments often devolve into 'because I said so' should be accusing others of being simplistic.




Here is the exchange:



Could you please point out where I 'lied'?

I would. Browns haven't won more than 5 since 2007. Since their return, they won more than 6 three times. I'm sure in those years Browns played a similar schedule.

Well, considering most experts and fans only figured we would win 3 games this year, I would say it was successful no?

Actually this is just good management strategy on the part of Haslam. He is realigning his coaching staff without firing anybody and bringing in the people Pettine and Farmer want like Weis. It will be interesting to see if he lets Manziel hang himself in the off season to make his contract null and void. He also knows Gordon will have to have a Pro Bowl year to make a top contract and he (Haslam) still controls him as a restricted free agent.

Just wondering why Hoyer went south halfway through the season? Could pressure from the front office to play Manziel have affected his play? If that could have happened, it wouldn't be a secret in the locker room. Could the play calling have changed enough to have Hoyer fail so that the Manziel trial could begin. No one will really know for sure, but something had to happen during that time as the locker room looked like things were deteriating. Maybe Hoyer just hit the wall and was not producing at a more relaxed level. I hope they give him another season to get his act together and make it work. Jmao

Once again, this has nothing to do with you personally. I have nothing against you, and you seem like a decent man.

My issues are with your style and methodology. I've never attacked you as a person or gotten angry with you. I've merely pointed out the lapses of logic and reason within your arguments, and your tendency to condescend to others but being very thin-skinned when it gets thrown back at you.

And for a guy who claims that I'm making it personal...you just called me a liar four times without being able to back or defend your accusation. You've also used a euphemism for giving me the finger.

That, to me, sounds personal.

And to clarify, your version of 'because I said so' is 'I trust my eyes, what do you know?' You typically roll it out when your point has been refuted. An example of this when you called me ignorant because I couldn't see the 'obvious', that Mangini instilled discipline. When I asked you to explain the obvious for an ignorant person like me, you listed a host of areas where we statistically improved.

When I pointed out that none of those areas were improved upon, it became 'I know what I saw, I trust my eyes, what do you know?'

If you take issue with me equating that with 'because I said so', feel fee to present a counterargument.

By far the best post on this thread. (its s good thread don't get me wrong)

Thanks Willie.

Clem, I'm not sure if there is someone whose posts I look forward to more than yours.

...says the guy whose eyes told him Johnny Manziel was the best QB prospect the Browns have ever had.



Again...you're aware that just calling something a lie doesn't make it true, yes?

If you claim something like "Mangini decreased _____ statistic', and that turns out to be wrong, it's not the stats lying. That's you being incorrect.

Stats never lie.

Stats tell exactly what they tell..

It's how people use them that ends up being skewed..

I read this today:

3 guys go out deer hunting. One of them is a statistician.

They see a deer. First guy shoots. Misses left by a foot. Second guy shoots, misses right by a foot. Statistician says "we got him."

Three guys go out deer hunting. One of them is a Browns fan. They see a deer. First guys shoots and misses by a foot left. Second guy shots and misses by a foot right. Browns fan says "that's OK I know we will get him next year,".

Well, I dinna know about you guys but I am tired of Eotab and PDR blathering on. Way to ruin a thread guys.

that was great Matt lol.

j/c

It looks like PFT has confirmed some in the Browns FO was texting down to the sidelines. Now the Browns could be facing possible fines.



Article:

Browns apparently violated electronic devices rule

Posted by Mike Florio on January 9, 2015, 5:28 AM EST
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Prior to the latest NFL non-mutual “mutual parting,” this one involving the Browns and offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan, a report emerged that Shanahan’s concerns about the team included a claim that a “high-ranking personnel member texted from the press box to the sidelines about play calls.”

PFT has been unable to determine the identity of the “high-ranking personnel member” (and/or whether that person was in any way influenced by a homeless man), but PFT has confirmed that it happened. Which creates a separate issue for the Browns, because those types of electronic communications are prohibited during games.

“Unless specifically permitted by League rules, the use of cellular phones, smart phones, tablet devices, computers, wearable electronic devices such as Google Glass, and other electronic equipment by coaches, players, and other club personnel is prohibited in club-controlled areas including, but not limited to, sidelines and coaches’ booths,” the league’s electronic devices rule states. “These restrictions apply from ninety (90) minutes prior to kickoff through the end of the game, including halftime. Coaches, players, and other team personnel are permitted to use such electronic devices in the locker room prior to kickoff and are permitted to use League-issued Microsoft Surface tablets throughout game day for viewing coaches’ still photos.”

So the sending and receiving of text messages to the sidelines regarding play calls or anything else during a game violates that rule. In 2006, former Falcons coach Jim Mora was fined $25,000 for using a cell phone during a game.

“Expensive phone call,” Mora said at the time. “Consider that a lesson learned.”

The Falcons and the Buccaneers had been tied late in overtime on December 24, 2005, and Mora made the call to determine how a tie would affect the Falcons’ playoff hopes.

So if that type of communication is prohibited, sending and receiving text messages on the sidelines also is prohibited. The question now becomes how extensively members of the Browns organization not on the sidelines have been communicating electronically with members of the coaching staff, and whether the league will investigate and dole out fines accordingly.

Article

Weis would be an interesting pick up. He has such a huge ego though that I wonder if him and Petine would be able to get along. Then again Pettine gets along with Rex famously so maybe he prefers real coaches over whiney little brats like shanny(according to redskin articles I have read)

Bringing back a WCO with rhythm passing would based on NE's super bowl offense should be something Hoyer would do well at. A lot better than shanny trying to make a weak armed QB go deep more often than just about any other QB in the league. I mean run, run, now go long is not all that brilliant a game plan if you ask me.

Boy, that's just dumb,,,,

Just reflecting on this "climate in Berea" thread. What if......Little Johnny's parents and Haslam are connected through the oil business? Pilot, Flying J, oil. What if Haslam has some I'll scratch your back, you scratch mine connection and Little Johnny takes the Browns even further into the depths of despair. Big money talks. This is hilarious!!! They're ALL crooks IMO!

Oh Brother... That's a stretch if I ever heard one.

Maybe, maybe not. Big money talks. Can't imagine Haslam would destroy the Browns for this but if it lines his pockets, he may not care. Can't he see what is soooo obvious to most others? He really has had little time in the football world even though he spent some time with the Steelers. He is probably accustomed to his money buying him things. Won' t work in this situation even though little johnny isn't making that much money. Makes me wonder. With this team, anything is possible.

A coaching position with the Browns includes Unlimited Free Text Messaging.

Just need to "play like a brown" and we know what good that does...

Run a franchise like a Brown.