DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum 49ers ask for permission to talk to Kyle Shanahan

This year or last year or both years?

Shanny did last year, but as we soon discovered, it was RGIII himself who was responsible. They guy can't read coverages. He holds the ball too long, wildly abandons the pocket, and makes himself a target for big hits. He lacks the escapapability that he once had.

I predicted that would happen before the draft. Pigeon legs.

I do recall hearing RG didn't have it between the ears to read coverage's...

Can I ask a question ? If a QB can't read coverage.. can he be taught to At the NFL level... or will he be considered .. unable to learn which would make him a bust.

I think it is easier to teach a qb to read defenses at the LOS than it is to teach a qb to read coverages post snap.

Things happen so fast once the ball is snapped. As bad as some of these qbs are at that, guys like you and I would be totally overwhelmed and see nothing but a blur.

I truly believe this is what separates great collegiate qbs from great NFL qbs. The ability to read coverages. Reading defenses is important too, but it is so much harder to read coverages after the snap.

With the growing popularity of one read Spread offenses in college and QBs having to only look at 1/2 to 1/4 of the field, it is really hard to evaluate how that translates to the NFL where QBs must go through their progressions and see all the field.

It's just not something that can be taught. There are subtleties, of course, that coaches can help you recognize, but if you can't SEE it, you can't see it. Conversely, reading defenses at the LOS, while still an art, can be taught. You stop the film. Identify the defense. Note the down and distance. And do it over and over and over again to find tendencies. As much as DC's want to disguise defenses and give you multiple looks, they are creatures of habit and will run many of the same D's on particular down and distances, especially against like-minded defenses.

Am I making sense? Questions?

Depends. Mike Vick couldn't read coverage to save his life, yet I wouldn't call him a bust, per se.

Yes, regarding reading coverage: Considering that the QB has 3 seconds or less to get rid of the ball, what is his first read...the FS?

So Tab, would that mean you repeat the BOZOS that say what you want to believe or repeat and ignore and lambaste the BOZOS who say things you dislike?

You're being far too defensive. I like that you post on the board. I do find it hilarious that you claim all these guys to be BOZOS but generally dismiss any BOZO who writes things you disagree with and promote the stories and rumors of the BOZOS that seem to line up with your train of thought though.

Hey, you have every right to your opinion. That's not even a discussion from my end. I too have my opinions on things. And that's simply how I see this.

From several sources it's been reported that someone in this FO was sending texts to the sidelines. That's a violation of NFL rules. There will now be an investigation. But from reading your posts, you seemed much more upset with Shanahan than those who were actually breaking the rules by sending the texts.

I would hope that it wouldn't upset you terribly that I seem to find irony in these things.

If you have such thin-skin that a little ribbing sends you into indignant whining, then maybe you should consider dropping the snarky and condescending persona you present.

If you can't take it, don't dish it out.

Nah don't quit man. You and a few others on here have good football knowledge and I enjoy reading your posts. Just ignore the cheapshots. I think you make a good point about Shanny, the last two places he's been and drama in both. Coincidence? or does he have a role? And your right there is no real information out there about what really happened so everyone is just guessing at this point based on sketchy news reports. I also do not understand the doom mentality around here over his departure. I thought he did a good job the first half of the the season but the offense really collapsed in the end. And not all can be blamed on injury.

Out of curiousity, where did you see that texting from upstairs is against the rules? I don't know either way, but that seems an awfully silly rule since many coordinators sit upstairs and you often see ownership on the sidelines...not trying do disagree with you that it is against the rules, I'd just like to try and find the rationale behind it...

Vers thanks for the Discussions we had yesterday..I asked you a question and you replied... But in the meantime I got called out to do snow...

So 24 + hours later I'm home and a total mental wreck.. nothing new for me ...lol..

To answer you back..Yes your making sense and no more questions... Except if you can tell me what day and month this is..

As I'm sure you remember back on the "old" board both eo and Vers got pissed off for different reasons and left until the Browns closed down their cluster**** of a board.

I don't want to see either guy leave but we survived back then and we'll manage to muddle through if they leave again.

As far as Kyle Shanahan goes, his departure is neither a surprise nor a disaster. He'll be fine with Daddy and we'll be what passes for fine in Cleveland.

No worry - they are not going anywhere! We refuse to give them permission to speak with another board...

I didn't leave because I was "pissed." I got banned for arguing w/tab. LOL

I have read your "What I Saw..." posts for years and they have been really valuable for me since I never get to see the Brown's play. I used to post on the old old board back at the turn of the Century (that just sound cool) so I have appreciated your input and breakdowns so for years. I never added much to the boards - just watched (I seem like a creepy stalker now) and read all the dialogue.

So many good points of views and opinions on the boards in all areas so I hope everyone sticks around!

I could be wrong but I don't believe it was a permanent ban, was it? If not, you could have come back. But you didn't. At least not for a very long time.

This isn't worth an argument but C'mon, back when Shep was a Ref everyone got a stint in banned camp sooner or later. Hell, I got nailed with 3 weeks for agreeing with someone about something they were arguing with Shep about. I was told I was an "instigator". I actually thought it was kinda funny. The guy was so insecure he couldn't stand someone disagreeing with him.

Anyway, I think what people need to understand is this board should be a virtual corner bar. Where we all argue about the Browns but at the end of the day we all have a drink together and laugh at our misfortune at being Browns fans. Instead of being a gigantic pissin' match where it eventually deteriorates into, "Yeah, well, mine's bigger...."

Not if I'm GM of the boards. HoF'ers are REALLY valuable, but nobody's irreplaceable...

That said, I wouldn't let either of them go for anything less than two 1sts and a conditional....

It was permanent. It's all water under the bridge now and I only brought it up because I really did not choose to leave. LOL

Oh, and mine is bigger!

Just don't ask my wife for confirmation.