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Marcus Mariota got physically destroyed. Zero chance I'd draft him.

He is still, his amazing run not withstanding, a very young and inexperienced player, and would be a mess in the NFL. 3 games, no matter how impressive, does not prepare a kid for the NFL.

True. I'd give him another year.

But one thing he has is poise. I dunno if you can teach that.

Well, I hate to react to much to one game, but here goes: I do not want Mariota and would be thrilled with Cardale in the second or third round. I know Mariota is a good kid and all that. But I just did not see anything I like there. Now Jones, he has a howitzer. He has poise in the pocket, and I thought I saw him checking down, which is impressive for a guy stating his third college game. The kind of running he does won't get him hurt easily.
I keep catching myself warming up to Winston, who I think could possibly fall (QBs tend to), but then I hate the idea of a 23-year-old jackass running the huddle. Oh, wait ….

Cardale certainly is an interesting prospect but if he can't win a starting spot in college why would he start in the NFL? He got bailed out a lot by a FANTASTIC running game and elite defence.

He certainly has the measurables but I hope he stays in college another year and gets some more experience. He will need to improve how fast he gets rid of the ball I think to make it into the NFL. I think once he does that he could be someone special.

If he came out I would certainly be willing to draft him in the third or 4th round as our third string QB. Let him sit a year and get up to speed and then fight for a starting spot. He is going to need some seasoning before he starts in the NFL.

I do see a lot of potential in him. The thing is can the Browns keep an offensive system in place long enough to let any QB mature in it?

Well, with our Browns Christmas tradition, he'lol be starting week 17 anyway.

Tom Brady couldn't beat out a baseball player for the starting spot at Michigan...

I agree that he is inexperienced and drafting him as a project would be a risk, but if he declares I honestly think he has more potential than any other QB in this draft. I said it before last night that I wouldn't draft a QB out of this class... But I would draft Cardale.

He has a big Ben kind of style to him and I think he would be worth the investment if he becomes nothing more than a back up. He would need a lot of work but the kid seems to be fearless.

Yeah, I can agree. Especially if Jerry would give up a second or third for Johnny and we were able to re-sign Hoyer. I'm glad they actually let Cardale take a couple snaps under center, even if it was just for QB sneaks.

I think if we do sign BH we have to trade JM. Then we can sign a vet and draft someone like Cardale as a project. If you trade JM you get rid of the distractions and all the needless pressure to play him.

Marcus Mariota got physically destroyed. Zero chance I'd draft him.
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Normally if I read something like this I just think "why bother to respond".

But I can not let it slide.

The game last night had nothing to do with Marcus Mariota. It was totally about OSU dominating the LOS. On both sides of the ball. But especially the OL and the run game.

If you took a poll of college and pro coaches there would not be one that didn't think Maroita was a great talent.

If he was the quarterback of OSU they would have scored 60 points. Listen to what Urban Meyer thinks of Mariota.

Even with the dominance of OSU at the LOS he still threw for 333 yards. If you plugged in the dropped passes it would have been over 400 yards.

Marcus Mariota could run any offense he plays for. Not only does he have the talent but he has the character and work ethic. He would have won the Heisman for any team.

I am glad you wouldn't draft him. Let's see how far he lasts in the draft. Then in a couple years see how he is doing.

I feel bad for Mariota.. hes most likely still going to Tampa.. and they might be the least talented team in the league overall.. Tennessee at #2 isn't far behind..

There's also a chance he comes back next year. Dude looked crushed after that game, may not want to end his college career that way..

You might see the high teams pass on QB this year, and someone in the mid round luck into one that falls, say Winston goes to a team with a strong run game and good defense.. he could succeed right away..

You also might see teams trade up to the back end of the 1st round and overdraft guys..

Will be interesting..

j/c

I love that there's people wanting to draft Jones on the strength of three good games but they don;t see the insanity of tossing away a QB on the strength of 1.5 bad ones.

I wouldn't draft Cardale Jones any higher than the 4th round. His serving size is way to small. If he's smart he'll go back to college next year, start the entire year, and then likely be a top-5 pick next year (just due to size and arm strength alone).

My vote is to still draft Bryce Petty at #19 or in the 2nd round.

I'm not ready to give up on Manziel, but I don't want Cleveland to put all of their eggs in his basket heading into 2015. His poor, poor performance this past season, mixed with his off the field and maturity issues just don't really give me a good feeling about him and I can't imagine anyone in the front office has a good feeling either.

Manziel will get competition next year. REAL competition.

to be fair:

jones: big ten title, sugar bowl against #1 ranked team, national title champion against #2 team.

manziel: heisman.

Titles are won by teams....not individuals.

I liked what I saw of Jones but there's simply not comparison in body of work yet.

If Jones were going to start next year for Ohio State.. I would want him to stay in college for another year of maturity, but from all I have heard.. the plan is still for Braxton or JT to start, and Jones to sit on the bench. If Jones has the chance to go pro and get jump on his NFL career.. He should go for it.

For the Browns.. with 2 first round picks, Jones is definitely worth a second or third round pick..

So three games, albeit high profile ones, but THREE games and you're willing to invest a high round draft pick.

C'mon man.

We saw arm strength.. size.. power.. accuracy..

What did we see in 2 college years from Manziel ? Every QB is a crapshoot, we have seen that Jones has talent. What will games against Purdue, Indiana, and other college teams prove ? If we have the chance to get Jones' kind of talent, why not go for it? Will we have a chance to get him next year ? That is, if he even to play ahead of Miller or Barnett ?

Those 3 games against 3 of the top teams in College football mean a lot...

He resigned and we let him. The only thing that matters is he is a quitter. I'm not going to cry over him but just hate how he wasted a year of Manziel's development. It's the main reason I didn't want to sign him as OC in the first place.

I'm a big believer that if you are going to draft a QB in the first round then you need to mold your offense to fit the QB. I mean what's the point in drafting a QB that high and then forcing him to play in a way that doesn't fit?

That's just like Hoyer. He did best in a hurry up offense with short to medium throws under 15 yards. So you give him a rhythm offense that stretches the field wide instead of vertically. What does Shan do? He takes away the hurry up and forces him to constantly throw the ball down field. I have no respect for Shan as an OC. He designs good plays but he doesn't call them to according to the strength of his players.

I agree. I think Cardel should come out if he can't start. Right now he has some popularity and name recognition. If he doesn't get to play next season for team politics reasons then he will lose that. He can learn about being a QB while being on the bench in the NFL for a season or two better than he can in college and at least this way he gets payed. Even with league min he can earn enough to pay for going back to college very easily.

I haven't read the entire thread so if approximate somebody's comments or rehash something already discussed, apologies.

I would re-sign Hoyer. With the clear idea that he's my bridge QB. Manziel will need to demonstrate development on and off the field. If he doesn't then we cut our looses and move on. If we have to wait until the '16 draft to find a possible long term starter, so be it. Doing anything rash only compounds the muddle we're in at this time. If Jones comes out I might try getting him in round 3. Once you get pass Mariota and Winston he's a viable in my estimation as Hundley, Petty or Cook.

In the meantime I think the priority has to be stopping the run and applying more pressure on QBs. We focus our high draft picks on immediate improvements to the defense.

What does it show?

Consistency.

Success against teams that are able to watch film on the kid.

Durability.

THREE GAMES he's played...and its not like he dominated any of the. Don;t get me wrong.... I've watched him with growing interest but its not like he's shown that he can dominate at the college level consistently. The guy who did in all three games? Ezekiel Elliot. NOT Cardale. Take away Elliot rushing for 200 yards in all those games and let's see how well Cardale holds up. Then you start talking about him as a legit prospect.

I realize everyone is looking for the bright shiny toy right now but let's at least gear it back to realistic prospects with a real body of work.

Given the magnetude of those 3 games and the physical build and talents..yes, I would draft Cardale Jones in the 2nd or 3rd in a heartbeat. While he is extremely raw, he has the build and makeup of an NFL QB; more so than Johnny Manziel. I see Ben Roethlisberger's makeup in Jones. I would draft him on raw potential and given the situation in Cleveland, it would be worth it. At this stage, he is very teachable.

I would say that Ben Roethlisberger/Cam Newton is his ceiling.
Vince Young is his worst-case scenario.

nobody is saying grab this guy in round one man.

but if he declared, there is zero harm in grabbing him in the third, fourth round.

and sorry, but yes he did only played three games, and out performed the heisman trophy winner in the process.

I would take a flyer on the Gunner Kiel kid out of Cincinnati....big time talent that was a knuckle head earlier in his college career. He can be had cheap and has as much natural talent as a 1st round type kid.

Sign a vet, keep JM, and dump Shaw for a kid with NFL talent.....probably our best case scenario.

This is what I think about Jones.

It does make sense for him to come out. Miller and Barret are ahead of him on the depth chart, and Miller has indicated that he is coming back. So unless Urban is willing to commit to him as a starter, why stick around.

So forget next year. If you transfer you will be sitting for a year because of the eligibility issue.

He can sit on a NFL roster for 600K or so, or sit in college. QB is the most desirable position, and someone would take a flyer on him. When you have the chance to make something versus nothing, something is better and it chews up his eligibility for FA in the NFL to get to the second contract.

But he is a boom or bust player. JaMarcus if he is immature or won't grow up. The up side is that Pittsburgh QB.

We will know in 2 days. Prospects have to declare by Jan 15.

ChargerDawg, I think the only way it makes sense if C.J. gets drafted round 1 or maybe a high 2. Taking a chance one more year in college at winning the starting job could land him the #1 pick in 2016. Otherwise, if he is drafted in the third or fourth, he'll get paid roughly half a million. Sitting in college possibly doubles his salary.

Mariota is your stereotypical gimmicky spread offense QB. He'll fall in line with Cam, Kaep and RG3 of spread offense QBs that get shut down when they face the big boys on the big stage. How many of these guys have to fail before we end the spread offense madness? Maybe Mariota could be a game manager like Alex Smith.

Mel Kiper said yesterday that Cardale Jones might be the 3rd QB in this years draft and no worse than 5th QB taken, if he comes out. That sounds like 2nd round to me. Plus, think about this: his story is out of Hollywood; the three games he just played made him a legend for life at OSU ... how in the hell do you top that? Answer: you don't. You walk away, take your signing bonus and your shot at the big time while you can. You can always go back later for your degree if you want to.

He has to be. Everyone else is so bad.

one of the biggest reasons that he should come out this year though it sounds like he is not going to do it.

In regards to your statement.. "......a stud from Division II maybe or Nobody College....."

Here's a possibility

http://www.wkusports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/brandon_doughty_845138.html

Kiper mentioned Mariota, Winston, Hundley, and Petty. He thought Jones *might* go before Hundley and Petty. I think all those guys go before the end of the 2nd round.