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Is he a current GM?

(The answer is no.)

Also, he got two first round picks and a third for Cutler. He also drafted Tim Tebow.

You asked for opinions and you got them. They were not what you wanted to hear so you challenge everyone. Not much else to discuss, Cutler is not very good, too many turnovers.

I just didn't expect people to think Hoyer was better than Cutler. That's pretty cut and dry. I was mainly thinking Cutler versus Manziel or other free agent options.

My mind is blown.

I don't get it either. It is not like Hoyer is a touchdown machine. At least Cutler throws for more touchdowns than interceptions.

I'd rather have Spergon Wynn back at QB than Jay Cutler.

Well, I like Hoyer and I wouldn't mind getting Cutler. The guy I don't want to see at QB is Manziel.

It seems rather apparent to me that Haslam and Farmer want Manziel as their qb. So, why would they toss picks and large money to bring in someone to compete w/him?

Manziel is their man!

We just lost our OC because of that.

We lost our OC because he wants to go work with his father. Dollars to donuts those two end up somewhere together. He used Manziel as an excuse but unless Johnny Football had looked like Johnny Unitas, Shanahan was gone at the end of this year no matter what.

Nah ..Pass on him. He's way to big and can throw deeper with better velocity and accuracy then Hoyer, Shaw and Manziel. We're the Brown's. We're good at QB. We don't want proven talent, never have. Get lost Cutler.

I'd rather have Doug Pederson.

We've tried the big arm QB with no brains before. He's currently a backup in Dallas. We've seen this song and dance before.

I wanted cousins for QB wahhh. I wanted to keep Tate wahh. but but wahh My daddy won a superbowl. That evil farmer sent text messages from upstairs. That evil Hoyer wouldnt run the plays I called. I didnt want to start Manziel but they made me do it.

Do you think this was b/c Shany would not build his O-schemes around JM? If so, then the new OC interviews will be " what is your plan to make JM a top QB"?

It's a new approach for the Browns - build a team around a marketing machine like JM to keep the national attention, which IF we win, could lead to better F.A. coming to Cleveland. Why not - nothing else has worked. Every other tried and true method for the Brown's has gone down in smoke so what the heck, go all in with JM and see where the chips fall.

Whatever the answer, Lord knows, it can't be worse than any other YoY since we came back.

Bears to pursue Ravens Kubiak

ESPN was reporting the Bears were going after Kubiak (Ravens OC). I was comparing stats and on paper, Flacco and Cutler are very close. Kubiak could keep Cutler if they are close in skill set just from a familiarity standpoint on day 1 (assuming he gets the job).

The only way I see Cutler being successful here or anywhere, is in a ball control offense..

If you replace Hoyer with Cutler in the first 10 games this season, with the style of offense we ran, and the effectivness of our running game, play action, roll outs, only a few reads.. I think he would of played better than Hoyer..

At least most of those deep passes people had to wait for would of been TDs.

But it's to the point, that IMO, Jay Cutler doesn't love football. He comes across (to me) as a guy that's good enough at it that he can make a lot of money doing it. Beyond that, I don't see him as a guy that wins you a title because he really wants one..

There's one huge, giant, enormous issue with Cutler. He's a toxic, me first personality. There are things that supersede a guy's perceived ability. A team as fragile and in need of stable leadership as this one cannot afford a character like Cutler. That would be a colossal mistake.

Have any proof of that, Mourg?

I don't know the answers to those questions. It just seems fairly obvious that the friction between the FO and Shanny was over Manziel.

Who knows.........perhaps the FO is right and Shanny is a dumb ass talent evaluator and Johnny Limelight will light it up next year.

He has as much proof as you do in saying Shanahan wanted out because of Manziel.

Oo i think he is an egotistical micromanaging ass but i thought that before he came here. Just like I am pretty sure Farmer is a meddler that thinks he should be coaching. Just like Haslam likely wants to be coach and GM and thinks he can never hire anymore as smart as he is. Just like Johnny is an egotistical drunken ass lol.

There are no innoncents in these situations.

Not exactly.

When Shanny questioned which personnel to play, whom do you think he was talking about? The backup center? Brainridge or Dray? Whether Gabriel or Dray? I seriously doubt that.

The only position other than qb that I can think of is RB. And Shanny almost assuredly preferred Crowell. Others might have preferred West. That could be it.

I think both of those positions are the keys to this speculation.

I really don't think Shanny was crying as Mourg suggested about some of those idiotic things that he posted. And if he was, they are NOT important.

Seriously, I saw someone post something about him complaining about the food in the cafeteria in Washington. LOL..........so freaking what?

Look, I know you guys don't like the guy and you like the new FO because you hated the old one, but please.......some of these arguments are beyond assinine.

My favorite one is where the QB coach is blamed for drafting Manziel. LMAO............he overrode Haslam, Farmer, Pettine, and Shanny.

That sounds logical............

I literally don't know if any of that is true. Just going off of the last 15 year I presume it is.

There's your first mistake. Nothing is logical about our inept franchise.

While I have no idea what happened behind the scenes, I truly question whether or not Shanahan was dead set against Manziel. The offense had stalled. Hoyer had played badly for a number of weeks. One could argue that Shanahan misused Gordon upon his return, and that caused as many problems as anything else. Anyway though, back to the QBs ..... I don't see that Shanahan would flip out over starting Manziel even if he was fairly sure he would flop. Why? because sometimes you catch lightning in a bottle, and Manziel is the kind of guy who might bring that. Obviously he didn't ... but he was worth a shot at that point in the season.

I did like alot of what Shanahan did last year, and he definitely had a strong run game before Mack got hurt, and he had receivers running wide open throughout the year. I think that he had very good play design.

It will be interesting to see what happens with Manziel with new coaches in his ear. Do I know what will happen? Nope. I'll just have to watch and see.

I am also going to add that I was also one who liked Arians, and I was probably the leading voice for trying to bring him in as our head coach in 2012. (even though we never even interviewed him, which disappointed me greatly)

So there was one GM who traded Cutler ... how does that translate to that GM "would take Hoyer over Cutler"?

I would not be opposed, but would prefer to sign Matt Moore + draft a rookie.

Matt Moore is a smiliar QB without the hype and $$ investment

Did we see enough of Shaw to KNOW that he'll never be a starter or even a solid backup? I would expect we did...

That is exactly who Cutler reminds me off.

My thoughts also. Decent size, strong arm but just can't get the mental part with it.

Cutler gets the mental part, he is just a tool.

Weeden isn't proven talent. Some of you guys, Pffft ... whatever. The Brown's have never had proven talent at Ownership,FO, coaching, or any QB except Garcia. Doesn't surprise me a bit we are where we're at after 15 years in the league.

Resurrect the Colt.

"He's got the heart of a lion, but he's gentle as ol' Peter Pan"

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Dear Ray Farmer,

Please call the Bears immediately and make an offer for Jay Cutler.

Sincerely,

A Concerned Fan

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So the Bears have to make a decision on Cutler before March 12th. If he is on the roster on or after that date $10 million of his salary is guaranteed for 2016.

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Cutler has flaws, many of them, but he would easily be the most talented QB we've had since 1999.

Of course everything depends on the price, but I would guess he will come cheaply. If the Bears decide they are out on him then they look to get anything they can for him before releasing him.

I don't believe he would come cheaply. Yes, cheaper than his current contract. But I believe you have to look at the teams in need of a QB. Then I believe one would have to face the fact that Cutler would definitely be the best QB on the FA market bar none. The demand for his services under such circumstances would definitely drive the price up.

I was talking about coming cheaply by trade. If he is a free agent all bets are off.

I'd tend to have to agree here with this assessment. The QB class both draft and free agent is nothing to write home about. The statement of Jay Cutler being the best (which I would have to agree with) outta the crop of what's available is a demonstration of how weak the free agent market is. And of course, as Pit said, would be a driving force on the price and with Cutler's poor and crap attitude and notorious leadership questions - I'd say let another team pay high dollar for something that isn't likely going to bring nothing but a wicked nice arm and that's about it. His pre-snap reads have also been a topic of question.