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Other than number of starts and straight line speed, I can't think of anything Hundley has over Jones.

Hundley is more physically talented than Jones. His arm is probably stronger and he is faster. He also is the exact same QB he was three years ago. He can't handle pressure, throw accurately, or read defenses. I'd take Jones over him, but I wouldn't take either before the fourth round.

Yeah, too bad we keep missing on all those Joe Montana types that are there, lol.

Joe Montana had the same HC and system. He didn't have to contend with constant change.

I don't know how we can ever expect a developmental QB to actually develop if things like HC and System don't remain constant.

Since when has Newton been shutdown?

i would love for Cam to be our QB. he is legit, i dunno why people hate on him.

Because of his perceived attitude? I don't know. And he's done it with not much talent around him. Newton is a beast.

Agreed. I would love for us to have Cam Newton (and I did not think he'd make the leap coming out of college, totally got that one wrong).

Same here. Newton has done nothing but succeed in the NFL.

I would not be sad if we traded Manziel for all we could get. I also don't care if we keep him. The circus was too much after only one year.

You know Tab, I actually agree with you in terms of Manziel. You draft a QB who you believe can play in the NFL and teach him to do it. You don't change your entire O to mimic what he did in college. Yes you use his strengths, but he is supposed to develop, not be stagnant.

Now as how drafting Manziel equates to Farmer's signature move? I would say if QB's who were drafted after him become better QB's than he does, people could easily see it that way. I mean it would indicate that Farmer can't evaluate the QB's left on the draft board very well.

Mariota declared

It's not like we have a shot at him or anything.

Thanks for the video. The more I see & hear of Farmer, the more I like him. I love his candor and his no-B.S. way of saying things.

Cut & dry - Manziel was just given a message that he needs to check his priorities and make sure that football is items 1 thru 5 on that list if he's going to have a sustained career here. Also, I see this video as stating that it is 95% likely that Manziel is here next year, but I get the feeling that we will definitely be working on a Plan B for if (when) his ways don't change.

Time to grow up, kid!

greg olsen was on first take a few weeks back, talking about cam newton. he explained to skip and stephen A. that every in the media perceives an attitude problem because Cam always puts the towel on his head.

Olsen said Cam puts the towel around his head even after a touchdown drive and they are up but 14 points. thats just what he does.

yep. and nobody said he had an attitude problem.

not to keep going on about Cam, but i know what part of the issue is too.

the majority of fans hated Cam because he had really only one good year in college, won the NC, and got drafted #1 overall.

the majority of fans predicted he was gonna be a huge bust. and that hasn't remotely happened. they were probably even more pissed when he threw for 400 yards and 4 TD twice in back to back games his rookie year.

fans hate it when their wrong...in general. so they find any excuses to hate the guy.

And we already know Manziel's answer to Farmer's "message": it's gonna be: "yeah, I have to work harder, but wouldn't change a thing and it's cool like that"

Farmer's best message would have been to not draft him.

Just to rub it in, I just read that on PFF:

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/01/13/2014-pff-all-rookie-team/

Quarterback: Teddy Bridgewater (MIN)

Others generated more talk but no rookie quarterback got about their business as efficiently and impressively as Bridgewater. Sure there were some teething pains but his strong finish to the year was an eye-catcher. He finished with the best grade of any QB over the past five weeks of the season.

This was a pathbreaking draft and Farmer botched it. Taking Manziel over Bridgewater will be another generational gut punch for Browns fans like taking Winslow over Roethlisberger (wasted uptrade pick and all).

Isn't he the kid who someone said they wouldn't draft before the fourth round on here?

I wouldn't want him if he's there and he might be. There is so much that can (and will) happen between now and the NFL draft at the end of April.

It isn't like Marcus Mariota is Andrew Luck. Mariota shouldn't go #1 and he could possibly drop to the first Browns selection at #12. I doubt it because some team will take a shot at him and I hope that it isn't the Browns.

The only way we get him is if we trade up using both of our first round picks (trade up to the Jaguars or the Raiders). There is no way Mariota gets past the Jets at six. I think at this point Winston is going first.

If he somehow gets past the Jets at six then I think we can start to talk about him as a possibility.

I would have drafted him before the 5th round and I don't see what everyone else seems to be seeing.

Derek Carr was better than Bridgewater and with Del Rio now in Oakland, he'll have a better coach too.

I don't know how things are going to shake out. There is so much that's going to happen between now and the draft. Teddy Bridgewater was considered the top QB in last year's draft by so many for so long and he nearly fell out of the first round and would have if the Vikings hadn't traded up to select him.

He had a horrible pro day and plummeted in the draft and there were huge questions about him (and I still have them).

Mariota has a lot of those same types of questions. His performance in the National Championship game probably has hurt his draft value some. I find it humorous that some think that Jameis Winston has probably moved over him. He looked even worse in the loss to Mariota and the Ducks than Mariota looked in the loss to the Buckeyes. In my estimation, both have lost, Winston more than Mariota.

The one that's gained the most is Cardale Jones (if he decides to enter the draft). He's been remarkable during his games. Looking at the stats line, it looks rather pedestrian.

vs. Wisconsin: 12 - 17 (70.6%), 257 yds, 3 TDs
vs. Alabama: 18 - 35 (51.4%), 243 yds, 1 TD, 1 int
vs. Oregon: 16 - 23 (60.9%), 242, 1 TD, 1 int

Combined stats: 46 - 75 (61.3%), 742 yds, 5 TDs, 2 int

STILL on that?

bridgewater, so far, is beyond better than carr.

I think they've both shown enough that the teams can be happy going forward.

But both have a lot to prove.

they have.

but this 4th-5th round craziness is...crazy.

I've read the opposite in some places. People saying that it was clear that Winston can run a pro offense after watching that game.

I don't think losing one game should drop you.

The fact that Jamarcus Russell was drafted #1 basically based off the Bowl win over Brady Quinn (yeah they both sucked, I get it..)

Winston is more talented, and more ready for the NFL than Mariota. He has always been. The only reason Marcus was above him was because he's such a great kid, and Jameis is kind of a douche.

Falling to a better team could be the best thing for both of them..

If Winston gets passed the Jets, I might trade up for him..

Hell If he drops, and Cincy was smart, they'd trade up for him.

Russell's private workouts were the things legends are made of. He was more physically talented than just about anyone ever. He was dumber than a box of rocks though.

It also seems as if his brush with death has, at least temporarily, given him a different outlook on life, and a knowledge that he has been given a huge gift with regards to his talent. I think that he is going to have a great season next year.

I will offer a couple of opinions on Newton.

He has a lot of detractors for him transferring from Florida State and winning at Auburn. He did not have the resume of a number one overall and some wished that he would not succeed. He was a bit self promoting, in an age before twitter and instagram or whatever social media of the day. In short, he was Manziel before Manziel.

As a player he was much more talented and Carolina took drafted him number 1 overall. He did take time to develop, but seems to be much more involved than Russell, and has a higher work ethic. Russell was by far the most talented QB to come out this era, but did not have a work ethic or the aptitude to play at the NFL level. Right now, Newton is probably a top 10ish QB and will probably only get better.

I am not neither a Newton fan nor detractor. What I will say is that he spends an inordinate amount of time visiting patients at the big local children's hospital here in Charlotte.

But did he bring his playbook?!

And that's where so many people make their big mistakes. A great player can have a poor pro day or private work out and everyone suddenly seem to forget how they have played the game.

Game film, work ethic and character are three things you don't see at a private work out or a pro day. It causes players to drop and GM's to be kicking themselves in the arse more times than not.

And in the case of Russel, you have people going ga ga over a workout and forgetting those exact same things.

Teddy bridgewater, latest example of that.

That was actually exactly what that was in reference too.



Many on this very board fell for that one. They listened to the talking heads and forgot all about the play and system Teddy was in. NFL GM's avoided him like the plague. I have no doubt he will be the best QB out of last years draft class.

I just hope that people have learned from that experience. I had seen it so many times in the past it was like watching re-runs of Looney Tunes cartoons.