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I really think that the Browns have to make a move for Winston or Mariota, if they can. I doubt that they will be able to. I look at the top of the draft and there is a lot if QB desperation on most of those teams.

1) Bucs: They desperately need a QB. They don't seem to like Glennon, and McCown flopped, so how do they pass on one here?

2) Titans: They have Mettenberger .... but even though he was "OK" in limited duty, if you have a chance to grab a franchise level guy, you do so. I have a hard time seeing Whisenhunt passing on a guy like Winston, if he falls, with his experience in a pro style passing attack, and his prototypical size and talents.

3) Jags: If we want to trade up, this is the most likely spot to do so. (obviously, if a QB drops)

4) Raiders: This is the 2nd possibility, if a QB drops, and the Jags pass on a trade.

5) Redskins: I could easily see them taking a QB and then shopping RG3. Too much venom from coach to player to see them passing on a legitimate option.

6) Jets: If a QB drops, he goes here. Smith is not the answer.

7) It's pure luck if either guy drops to this point.

The only QB I'd consider moving up for would be Winston. Because I think he has the overall talent to come in and play right away. Ball control offense, etc.

The only way I see that is if he drops passed the Jets at 6.

Regardless I'd rather use other picks to move 12 up than package both 12 and 19.. I want to come out of this with two 1st rounders.

Now that Cardale Jones went back to school can we trade our two first round picks for Troy Smith?

It will cost us both 1st round picks to move up to anywhere in the top 10. We picked up an extra 1 and 4 for dropping from 4 to 9, while still staying in the top 10.

The Jags are really in prime position right now, if one of the top 2 teams passes on a QB. If we target 1 or 2, then we will have to pay an RG3 level bounty for those pick. It probably won't be much less than that for #3. I suppose, though, that it depends on how teams start to see these 2 QB after the combine.

I hope Winston steals something else completely useless within the next few months.

I mean to say that I wouldn't have drafted him (Bridgewater) before the 5th round.

Am I still on that? Absolutely!

I've heard the same things. I would refer to those people espousing that as fools, and blind fools at that.

Good post mate.

I am not referring to using whatever system the QB used in college though. What I mean to say is you identify what your QB does well then find teammates that amplify those strengths and then you design a playbook that uses what he does best. I would have about 9 running plays and 11 passing plays that first season. I'd make them practice them till they knew them in their sleep. As the season goes on you add some variances on those 20 plays. Next season you add 20 more to that core playbook then slowly add variances. BTW you teach your QB how to change the plays to use those variances to change the play called.

By the third season your QB is seasoned and your offense is clicking and you can do whatever you want. That is, so long as, your QB can handle it.

The knock on Bridgewater was his (small) hands. The Vikings playing in Green Bay in January...now that would be the ultimate test to validate his draft position.

...nobody! Not unless there was an Andrew Luck to be had...which there isn't this year, or next year for that matter.

The thing is, there is almost never an Andrew Luck to be had. How often does a Luck come out? When a Luck does come out, how often does the team picking #1 not need a QB? I mean heck, the team that got the "Luck prospect" last time had Peyton freaking Manning at QB and cut him to draft Luck. Is that level of prospect/luck really what we're holding out hope for? It could be 100 years before the stars align like that for us.

Barring a crazy run of luck (no pun intended), we're going to be looking at trading for prospects a notch below. That's why a prospect like Mariota is perfect to target: he's not as polished as Luck and comes from a spread system vs. pro style so he can be had... but he has the physical ability, football mind and personality to become a great QB.

At this point, after 15 years of horrendous QB play, I'm OK with burning through assets every year until we find the right guy. If this year, that means dealing multiple 1sts for Mariota, I'm all aboard. Until we fix QB, it doesn't matter how many stud 1st rounders we have because like Thomas and Haden so far, they'll all go to waste.

The knock on Bridgewater was more than just his small hands. It was his body and arm strength as well.

He threw a ton of short passes last year, but he was effective doing so. He only completed 2 passes of 31 or more yards. (in the air) That was 2 out of 22 attempts. That really was the only weak part of his game.

Kind of weird to see Norv Turner run a controlled passing game. It was effective though.

The thing that helped the Vikings as much as anything, though, was that they allowed 137 fewer points on defense this year compared to last. That was good for 11th in points allowed. (they were 20th in points scored) I would also add that Bridgewater definitely had a major problem when the superstar RB expected to be the focal point of the offense was unable to play because of his legal problems. That makes what Bridgewater's work more impressive.

I think that he shows that a QB who played in a pro stye offense in college can be an effective starter, even if he might never be a superstar.

If I am the Browns, I am looking for a college QB with decent physical traits, and who played in a pro style offense to develop behind Manziel and the veteran we bring in. Maybe not a Ken Dorsey, but a couple of steps above. Maybe we can develop a guy like that. He would already have a good part of the mental side down. Sure he might be Brady Quinn, but I am not talking about spending a 1st round pick on such a guy.

What you just said perfectly describes Sean Mannion.

There you go. He looks like an interesting guy. I was not really familiar with him, but based off of his draft report, these are the highlights.

Mannion is a 4 year starter, and had a great season in 2012-13 he is rated as a 5-6 round pick. He has NFL size. He is not mobile, but he has run a pro style offense, and has a lot of the physical aspects a successful NFL QB should have. He can't run, but if he can learn to move effectively in the pocket, and get the ball out quickly, that won't be as big a concern.

umm...or Connor Shaw

Connor Shaw did not run a pro style offense in college, and is a small QB with a sub par arm. How does that fit what I originally proposed?

If Jameis Winston was James Winston from Podunk, Iowa.. and never had any problems in his life.. he'd be possibly at or at least the closest you'll get to Andrew Luck..

Winston has all the talent to be a great NFL QB. And comes from a system that showed it.

Hes just kind of a douche. Which is the only reason Mariotta is ahead of him.

I knew a kid from Podunk Iowa who was always in trouble and had a bad attitude. I don't really believe geography plays a part.

Just because Mariotta is a great kid and will try his best doesn't mean he can learn to read defenses and go through his progressions..

And while Norv Turner is a great OC, and good with QBs, I honestly despise his system. It made Phillip Rivers look average. And was a big part in Schwartz having a terrible sophomore year..

Just a quick comment, Jameis has a 4.0 GPA and got a scholarship offer from Stanford. He's not dumb, just immature as hell. Kind of like Richard Sherman.

Just clicking.

With this draft looking to be pretty weak ... do we look to trade down with our firsts, turning each into a second this year and a first next?

With 3 firsts next year, and ours looking to be a early one, we would have the ammo we needed to move up to the top. Assuming there is someone next year that would be worth it.

Not advocating this, just tossing it out there.

I agree w/much of your post, but man, the Mariotta part blows my mind.

You hate Manziel, but Mariotta is very similar as a qb to JM. In fact, I think JM is more advanced at reading defenses and going through progressions than MM.

Yep, Marcus is a better person, but man.......he can't read coverages or defenses to save his life.

It's sad when 2015 has barely begun and were already looking to 2016 as the year we may be able to do something. Only a browns fan would understand.

The only thing I'd give him credit for is his work ethic is 100 times better than JM.

By that doesn't guarantee success. But its a good start.

I am not sold on Marcus Mariotta. He is great athlete but has a long way to go to be an effective NFL QB. I would not be upset to draft him if he fell to the Browns. But, that is not going to happen.

Jamies Winston is the best pure QB in this draft. His off the field troubles are a huge concern. Unless the Browns make a major trade he will not be wearing seal Brown and burnt orange next year.

A QB I would like to see the Browns go after anywhere between rounds 2 and 4 is Sean Mannion Oregon State. Right now he is projected as a 3rd or 4th round pick but I predict he will rise between now and draft day.

He has ideal size 6'5 220lbs. with a big arm. He can make all of the throws. Executed a pro style offense in college. Very good play action passer. Does not show great footwork mainly due to Oregon State's very poor offensive line. Many of his highlight films show him throwing off his back foot.

We agree about a lot of things, but we are far apart on this issue. Not being able to read coverages almost guarantees failure in the NFL.

i believe we have weapons.

and unfortunately, as seen this past season, we don't have the luxury of picking first round QB's and letting them sit on the bench.

which is why i prefer winston over mariota. dude is a clone of manziel. winston is actually required to read defenses, and he excelled at it.

the reality is that we aren't NE or green bay or any of these other teams with average QB play that we can develop a guy. our first rounders need to be starting. they HAVE to. there are plenty of examples of success and failure going both routes. which is why i'm pissed.

if we still had shanny, i'd be more comfortable with him as our OC if we started a rookie QB week 1.

lets hope whoever we get can develop guys and give them the best chance to succeed.

but week one starter? winston all day over mariota.

the reality is that we aren't NE or green bay or any of these other teams with average QB play that we can develop a guy.

if i'm not mistaken cinci had brought in kitna from the lions and was starting him while carson palmer sat on the bench. you don't HAVE to start your #1 pick day one. very few QB's can come in and take the league by storm. i think you do more harm than good if you DON'T let him sit for a year or so.

kitna was horrible. he lead them to an 8-8 season before carson took over.

we could barely win 7 games.

that's my whole point. kitna was serviceable, which allowed cinci to let CP sit for awhile. i could be wrong but wasn't it like two years?

i think carson only sat on the bench for the year.

which is fine because i worked. i see your point.

but who could we bring in to do that? hoyer proved he can't last a whole season.

man don't ask me. i know who i would want but i'm sure the HC and GM would know better than I.

How about taking a shot with Ryan Mallet if he comes cheap? Keep either Bh or JM and draft a project in 2nd or 3rd rd. JMO

If I was GM of the Browns, Ryan Mallet would be my top FA target. But he won't come cheap. And with our Wr corp, I think he would be hesitant to come here at all.

"dude is a clone of manziel"
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Except that he bigger at 6"4" and 220lbs and way faster. 4.4 speed versus Manziel at 4.67.

And he played three years of college ball and he takes his job seriously.

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