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So he can actually call plays.

I get that, but why HERE? who is going to execute the darn things?

Because he doesn't actually call the plays. I'm sure being involved, doing the grunt work in terms of preparation and not being to have the control when it counts on gameday would make someone want to jump ship. That is like brewing the beer but not being able to drink any after it's made, LOL!

JMO

because the fix is in. we are trading for Aaron Rodgers!!!!!!!!

Yeah. Not only can't you leave, but we won't even let anyone talk to you about leaving.

But those Packers are a low class organization. Why wouldn't they just let a coach walk?

I'm amazed nobody brought this up, but if our owner had forced Shanahan to stay, he wouldn't have undermined his own career by doing a poor job or causing trouble that would damage his future employment. That's absurd.

Setting the precedent that all you have to do is whine a little and you can leave without honoring your contractual commitment lessens the possibility of future continuity, not increases it.

If there is any truth that we were looking to replace KS, and he started putting out feelers to go somewhere else again I ask Why would you or anybody else for that matter want to keep him? I am sure GB was satisfied with their coaching staff and wanted to keep everybody in place, we on the other hand were not, so again I ask why not? If we forced him to stay, then talk about dis-function. We would see games like we had against Cin. the 2nd time. I think he would do anything to force his way out of here. We do not need that. We need people that want to be here. Not sure why you are making this out to be the Browns as the bad guy?

Two things about this latest news:

--LMAO at Green Bay saying no. On the Shanny thread, people were calling the author of the article a bozo because he suggested that Haslam should have said no to Shanny leaving. The Browns are the bozos!

--Clements would have been committing career suicide if he would have left Aaron Rodgers and a stable franchise like Green Bay for Manziel and the stooges who run the Browns.

If the Browns actually wanted to replace Shanny then we have even bigger issues here.

A quarter of the teams in the league don't have an offensive coordinator yet.

Based on what? Things were not all rosy, that much is plain to see. Should we stick with disgruntled, in fighting just for the sake of forcing someone to stay?

Vers. You seem to enjoy calling the FO bozos, when you or anybody else for that matter knows whats going on. There was Something that happened during the season for the FO and KS to part ways. Nobody knows what it was, but it could not have been anything good. Lord knows why some have to trash the FO for trying to do the right thing and get the right people in place. It would be a real shame to let the FO work to get the ones who fit best.

No, I don't enjoy it.......but let's look back to last season and how almost everyone on the board delighted in "The Three Stooges" situation.

I suppose that was okay? LOL.......It's all a matter of perspective.

I need to add that it never ceases to amaze me how wrong the majority has been about regimes and coaches over the years.

Until we get a QB, the OC will keep taking the fall.

Well, unless something happens between now and the beginning of next season that we don't foresee, the Browns will still have Mike Pettine as the Browns head coach.

We'll also have Jim O'Neil as the Browns DC. The only vacancies that we have are the OC, QB coach and WR coach. Two of those left of their own accord (Shanahan & McDaniel) and the other was fired for gross incompetence. Okay, I don't know why Loggains was fired, but that's probably not far from the truth.

I don't know what we would talk about if we had an entire coaching staff return. I guess we'd have to make something up (although some do that anyway).

It probably wasn't far from the truth at all, lol. Besides, I am sure a new coordinator would want to bring in his own skilled coaches, especially at QB.

I hate those coaches who bring in unskilled coaches.

There is turnover every year in the NFL at all coaching positions on lots of teams.

Personally, I think that we have some self-aggrandizing folks that honestly believe that replacing a few cogs on the offensive coaching staff is a total rebuild of the team.

We are a talentless team that has no talent. Everyone should be replaced at all times.

I can see it too but I'll go a bit further than that.

Shanahan was going to be gone one way or another anyways. Shanahan chose the more respectable route. Loggains didn't deserve or get that chance. McDaniel probably wasn't going to get the pink slip but asked to be let out of his contract anyway and the team obliged him.

Some would have you believe this.

Lol, I meant skilled as in skilled position(s). Haha but that was funny when I read it. Hahahha

Raiders hire Bill Musgrave as offensive coordinator.

Talk about a retread. Musgrave has been an offensive coordinator for six different teams since 1998. His named didn't even come up in rumors of who we should hire at all. Poor Raiders.

Sorry Carr... if this was a Del Rio hire, I think I take back what I said about it being a good selection for Oakland lol...

Musgrave was the Jaguars offensive coordinator when Del Rio was the coach. The best part is Del Rio also fired Musgrave as his offensive coordinator in Jacksonville.

Again. Poor Raiders.

seems like college football is becoming more attractive to coaches than the NFL. They get almost as much money and they are treated like kings. I think the craziness of NFL owners and the lack of commitment to let coaches establish themselves is hurting the desirability to coach in the NFL.

We just interviewed Mike Martz for OC. He is an OC who has sucked it up for a decade and been out of football for several years. We have truly hit rock bottom people.

Razorthorns,

Mike Martz has ego bigger than most teams can handle. His biggest error in judgement is running his system regardless of talent. With that said, he is very creative in the passing game.

I wonder if Martz interviewed for the OC or QBC. Mike never did much in the run game which is why I'm thinking maybe QBC.

It appears Pettine is searching candidates who he found difficult to defend against.

It was for the OC position. Interviewing an out of work guy for the OC position who likes to throw the ball 40 times a game doesn't seem like a bright idea for a team without a QB that will need to rely on the run game.


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Ridiculous thought of the day: Johnny Manziel in Mike Martz's offense.

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The news article said we interviewed him for the OC spot. Minus a kurt warner he has been a horrible OC. I want nothing to do with him and Johnny surely doesn't fit his normal system that is for sure.

+2,pass please...

We had success with a run oriented system.

It is so Cleveland Browns to consider pass happy Mike Martz. What a joke. That is a move that WILL get pettine fired.

Martz coached one of the teams at the NFLPA game and was very animated on the sidelines... getting angry at the QBs for sucking. I was wondering why he seemed to care so much about the outcome.

Rams were pretty good, and they did run the ball too.

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"Using this offense, the Rams set a new NFL record for total offensive yards in 2000, with an astonishing 7,335 yards (since broken by the New Orleans Saints with 7,474). Of those, 5,492 were passing yards, also a new NFL team record."

just shy of 2000 rushing yards? Yeah we wouldn't want that.

That is exactly the type of coordinator that we want. He's not bucking for a HC job, just shows up to do his. LeBeau wasn't so bad for Pitt was he?

We really have two choices....let an up-n-comer learn, or get a guy who's older who just wants to run an offense.

Personally i would take the older guy, with a young guy learning.

jmo

They may have rushed for 2000 yds but the passing attack probably opened that up for the running game.

It helps when you have Marshall Faulk too..

I'm not sure we don't have a Faulk here.. Could be Crow or West. either one had the capability..

But that aside, I don't see this as a fit either.

I like Martz, the trick for a Martz system is all in the pass protection. If they protect it is great. If they dont its criminal lol.

That's why he failed in Chicago. Long WR routes and a shaky O-line gets your QB killed. It didn't help that Cutler gave up on half of the plays too.