I thought maybe it may be a good idea to start a thread where we can go to one place for OC talk..Since the search is on..

If not my apologies...

Just wondering how anyone here would feel about Rick Dennison..Not sure if the Ravens would let us talk to him..
He sure seems to have stepped up Flaccos Game.. Especially watching the Ravens damn near putting a win against the Pats..

I've heard Roman, Cavanaugh, Weis, DeFilippo, and Trestman as possible candidates.

I don't see why the Ravens would give us permission to talk to one of their assistants.

So far, I want Roman on that list.

What about Texas A Ms OC?

Some would like to see the ZBS stick around.. Would any of those mentioned use the ZBS ?

He's 29.

Then again, I think Shanahan got his first OC gig around then.

That would be Jake Spavital. If we are going to roll with Manziel we need to think outside the box. Looking at Spavital would be thinking outside the box.

A person's age shouldn't matter. Their ability perform the given task is all that matters.

lso maybe someone from Baylor or TCU. Someone that puts their foot on the gas pedal and not let up, like Chip Kelly.

I don't know that a 29 year old with no NFL experience is a good bet to perform the given task.

And just for fun...the QB's Spatival has worked with are Weeden, Manziel and Geno Smith.

All spread QBs who have had great success at the college level. If we are going to roll with Manziel we have to give him the best chance possible. Forcing him into an offense makes no sense.

I was thinking a Collage level coach could maybe be a benefit to Manziel .. If it's the plan to keep him..

Then I think if Hoyer stays would it be beneficial for him...

I would like to see someone who can come in and put some fire in this offense..

They sure looked good at the collage level but at the NFL level .. Not so good good...

Good info to know PDR..

I don't expect us to make offensive philosophy decisions based on a guy who couldn't read a defense and admitted he didn't try.

If we do, I will be worried.

And if we attempt to run a spread, I'm just going to play 'Yakety Sax' on loop during every game.

Agreed. But I think the owner wants to give Manziel a go. If that's the case we have to give him the best chance.

My ideal situation would be to hire Roman, trade for Cutler, and run the crap out of the ball and let Cutler bomb it when he was the chance.

All three of those sucky Qb's did really well while under his tutelage.

. . . in college.

It would definitely be interesting to see how the spread would translate to the NFL. Oh wait, we already know, it works great.

If being able to get bad QB's to perform well in NCAA spread offenses is indicative of potential NFL success, let's get Steve Spurrier on the horn.

Do you feel Cavanaugh was the reason why Cutler failed in Chicago ?

Jay had a decent supporting cast around him.. Wouldn't surprise me if Jay ends up with the Shannys somewhere.

It seems like Trestman and Kromer (Kromer is obvious) didn't get along with Cutler. I don't know what a QB coach even does on a daily basis, so I can't attribute anything to Cavanaugh.

I don't see why the Ravens would give us permission to talk to one of their assistants.

they know we would screw it up anyway.

Roman is rumored to be headed to Buffalo with Rex Ryan.

No tears here lol

Speculation will run rampant.. At this point, anyone with a heartbeat and experience coaching on the offensive side of the ball is a potential candidate.

that being said, the only team I've read we contacted for permission was the 49ers for Roman.... I'm not even sure that's accurate.

Out of the guys mentioned, Trestman would be my selection. LaCanfora is the only one to mention Weiss so we can go ahead and eliminate him lol. Roman supposedly will interview tommorow but sounding like he will be OC for the Bills. DeFilippo is interesting.

I saw Trestman make Rich Gannon, Jake Plummer and Scott Mitchell look competent. He couldnt fix Cutler but Jay appears to be gunshy and its hard to fix.

Jake Plummer had his 2 career highs for INT under Trestman. Mitchell was nowhere near his best season under Trestman. Gannon had a great season with Trestman as the OC, but Trestman picked up where Callahan left off there.

In a 5 years period, Jake Plummer missed games in only 2 of those. Tretsman was his OC for both of those. He was the OC in Frisco, and he maintained the offensive output he inherited, but he also got Young beat up. Tretsman was the OC in 1995 and 1996. Steve Young played 16 games in 1992 ..... 1993 ..... 1994 ...... then Trestman took over and Young played 11 in 1995, and 12 in 1996. He then played 15 in the next 2 seasons.

He seems to get his QBs beat up, to the extent that they miss games.

No thanks. He can take over a great offense and maintain it .... but I see little evidence that he can build a great offense.

Can't stand Trestman and his finesse [soft} offensive philosophy.

NEXT MAN UP!
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Next man up!
Lane and Fred on the latest in the offensive coordinate search

At least they aren’t looking for a new head coach!

Baby steps.

For the first time since after the 2012 season the Browns are not conducting a search for a new head coach. However, they are looking for a new offensive coordinator for the fourth-straight off-season.

In addition to a new coordinator, the Browns are also seeking a new quarterbacks coach after the departure of Kyle Shanahan and Dowell Loggains on Thursday.

TheOBR was first to report Loggains’ status on the Browns staff was in dire jeopardy leading up to the Browns season finale in Baltimore.

Alex Marvez of FoxSports.com was the first to report the moves and he reported that Shanahan asked for and was granted his release, while Loggains was fired. They each were with the Browns for one season.

The Browns next offensive coordinator will be their sixth in as many seasons. The last coordinator to last more than one season was Brian Daboll under Eric Mangini in the 2009–10 seasons.

Pat Shurmur was his own coordinator in his first season as coach in 2011, then he added Brad Childress in 2012. Norv Turner was coordinator under Rob Chudzinski in 2013, while Shanahan did so in 2014.

Mike Pettine had not worked with Shanahan before this season, and now must replace him. Several names have already been linked to the Browns job including Matt Cavanaugh, John DeFilippo, Marc Trestman, Charlie Weis and Greg Roman.

Roman, the offensive coordinator of the San Francisco 49ers has been provided the opportunity to interview with teams and is considered the front-runner to join Rex Ryan in Buffalo, pending Ryan’s agreement to become head coach of the Bills.

TheOBR has learned Roman has been approached by the Browns and could interview next week for the team’s vacant offensive coordinator position.

Cavanaugh, who hails from the Youngstown area, was most recently let go as the Bears quarterback coach when Trestman was fired after the season. His history with Pettine goes back to 1993 at the University of Pittsburgh.

Pettine and Cavanaugh worked together for seven seasons in the NFL with the Ravens (2002–04) and the Jets (2009–12). Cavanaugh assisted in getting Pettine hired with the Ravens as a video assistant in 2002.

Cavanaugh was the Ravens offensive coordinator in 2000 when they won the Super Bowl. Cleveland.com first reported the Browns might be interested in Cavanaugh.

DeFilippo interviewed with Pettine last year and stayed in Oakland working with rookie quarterback Derek Carr as the Raiders quarterback coach last season. He was the assistant quarterbacks coach with Pettine and Cavanaugh on the staff with the Jets in 2009.

Former Browns CEO Joe Banner hired Loggains and followed-up by signing Shanahan, despite Pettine being very impressed with DeFilippo and wanting to add the young and energetic offensive mind to the staff.

TheOBR was first to identify DeFilippo as a candidate for a potential opening within the Browns staff late in the season following the continued turmoil within the Cleveland and Oakland organizations.

Weis was the former Patriots coordinator and Notre Dame coach, before most recently being fired after coaching at Kansas. NFL.com first reported a connection to the Browns.

Trestman was the Bears coach the past two seasons after coaching in the Canadian Football League prior to the Bears. He was the Browns offensive coordinator in 1989. ESPN.com first linked Trestman with the Browns.

TheOBR has learned the Browns have gauged Trestman’s interest in the vacant Browns offensive coordinator position in recent days. An interview with Trestman could occur following his return from vacation as early as next week.

It is expected the Browns will try and hire the replacements as six NFL teams are in the process of hiring head coaches and they will be trying to fill their coaching staffs.

http://cle.scout.com/story/1501031-next-man-up?s=149

I would really appreciate a non-retread offensive coordinator. We know what all of these guys bring to the table. If Manziel is going to be the QB we need someone with fresh ideas.

Trestman would be a disaster, Weis has failed everywhere he has been besides two seasons at Notre Dame, Cavanaugh has been around for ages. Think outside the freaking box.

DeFilippo is at least young and has worked with a variety of QBs in different systems, but if they wanted him they could have had him last year.

I am fully prepared for an uninspired choice. It probably doesn't matter anyway, these guys are all going to be gone in a year anyway when Haslam throws a buttload of money at Peyton Manning to run the team.

Is it at all possible to just promote a coach we already have to the spot of offensive coordinator? To run a similar system and try to finally build some continuity?

j/c...
Roman was my first choice. I think Trestman would be my second. I feel at this stage of his career he can take the talents we have and infuse his Offense knowledge into a tweaked play book. We just might have the best OL he has had to work with in a long time.

He has learned more about space and creating it.

What I do like is Shanny n Loggains was pretty much forced on Pettine. I'm sure he tried to make it work but fact is Shanny was not HIS GUY. A HC should have his guys, guys that he can trust, guys that think the same. Pettine has a good football mind not just Defense but I respect and trust his thoughts on Offense.

My positive in all this is he will get his guy here. Not so high on Cavannagh but he has a lot of knowledge. My philosophy is not alway have it my way - just buy into THE WAY and make it work, execute! Finish! It doesn't have to be with MY OFFENSE.

jmho

I do not know much about offense ( other than to defense them) what do you think about Flippio (sp)?

I thought I read that Pett wanted him last year... he also seemed to do well with Carr and that was a big surprise in my book.

Carr has always been a hard worker and a team guy. He didn't have a great year, but him looking prepared and competent shouldn't be a surprise I think.

Keeping offense simple - I think the key for NFL is to create space, to create stretch Vertical and Horizontal. The Plays stick them in if you create the Space you have a good chance of success run or pass.

What I do know about Fillipo is that Pettine wanted him with him last year - but Banner hired both Shanny and Loggains...odd how both showed a little disrespect and both leaked out info about the team. There was no loyalty to Pettine. You need loyalty. Unlike many and I'm a continuity nut. But sometimes change might be best. I don't care if Shanny is or is not a genius, I don't think he was remotely Pettines OC, I don't think he was remotely loyal to the Browns.

Fillipo probably was to be our QB coach. What do I want. I want a team here! All putting the Team first, loyal to the chain of command - Pettine and respect his authority. I don't care about the size of the play book, just execute what you do.

We see it every year somewhere. I young QB is there they dumy down the play book then they start to throw the kitchen sink and the entire team is off only to have a presser stating how they will dummy down the offense and things click. Its all about repetition and execution. You cannot go from 50 that are being executed to all of a sudden 300 mid season. They know the plays they just don't know how to Execute them.

As long as we got a guy with good leadership good knowledge about creating space and above all be able to have a team learn and execute the plays!

jmho

j/c

Roman is the only named linked to our team thus far that I am interested in, sadly.

Also, I hate that Kubiak announced that he won't interview for HC jobs and remain as OC of Baltimore. I thought for sure he would be 1-n-done there. Ah well.

The Browns will sign whoever's left after other teams sign the coaches they want.

What good coordinator in their right mind would ever come to this mess? Our best receiver, Miles freakin Austin, might not even be resigned because he can't stay healthy. Our best QB and the only one that deserves to be on an NFL roster is a journeyman that is average at best. Our OL which is a little above average has absolutely no depth. Our best player on offense, Cameron, is one more concussion away from retiring and is a FA. We have a couple of young running backs that have shown some promise, but who I would also consider a "dime a dozen". Otherwise, sounds like a great job right? lol

The logical choice would have probably been the QB coach but we can't do that because he's gone as well.

Not sure who else we have on the staff that could be ready to step up?

We still have a draft and fa period to improve this team. Whomever we get should be able to help in these endeavors.

A blast from the past has emerged in Cleveland's search for a new offensive coordinator to work with quarterback Johnny Manziel.
Chan Gailey.

A source told FOX Sports that the Browns are seeking to interview Gailey for the position that opened last week when Kyle Shanahan resigned after just one season on the job.

Gailey, who turned 63 last week, has spent the past two seasons out of football after being fired as Buffalo's head coach. Gailey's lengthy resume includes head-coaching jobs with the Dallas Cowboys (1998-1999) and Georgia Tech (2002-2007) as well as four different stints as an NFL offensive coordinator. One of them came in 2008 in Kansas City when current Browns general manager Ray Farmer worked in the Chiefs' front office.

FOX Sports NFL Insider Mike Garafolo reported that Gailey also is a candidate to join the staff of Arizona defensive coordinator Todd Bowles if he gets hired as an NFL head coach.

Gailey served last week as a head coach in the Medal of Honor Bowl game showcasing draft prospects in Charleston, S.C.

Gailey joins a Browns candidate list that, according to previous media reports, includes former Chicago Bears head coach Marc Trestman and two Oakland Raiders assistants -- Al Saunders (senior offensive assistant) and John DeFilippo (quarterbacks). A source tells FOX Sports that DeFilippo also could draw consideration as Cleveland's new quarterbacks coach to replace Dowell Loggains, who was fired last week.

Greg Roman, who was San Francisco's offensive coordinator the past four seasons, was set to interview Monday in Cleveland. Roman is instead in Buffalo hoping to complete a deal to become the Bills' offensive coordinator under Rex Ryan, who also is working on finalizing his contract as the franchise's new head coach.

Whoever is hired in Cleveland will be charged with trying to develop Manziel, the heavily hyped 2014 first-round pick who was a disaster in his six quarters as a Browns starter in December.

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I dont think Gailey has been successful anywhere in the last 2 decades it seems.

Al Saunders immediately jumps to #1 on my list. I am a big fan of the guy. Sanders and DeFillipo would be the way to go.

What comes first the chicken or the egg?

Seems like we need a quarterback first.

Do you hire a OC and QB coach for Manziel? Or do you hire a OC with the idea that he can install an offense that can win in your division?

According Ray Farmer you don't need elite quarterback play. I wonder if Ray is watching the playoffs?

Pettine should make the hire and select a guy he can work with. Maybe they should hire a guy who first has to win two rounds of Russian roulette.

I think we hold out for Manning. With his arm strength yesterday rivaling Conner Shaw it seems clear he should be looking into a new career direction. If he and Haslem are as tight as reported, why not? He's been running offenses for years.

You dont need an elite QB but that doesnt mean you shouldnt stop looking for one. If you have the great qb it just makes things much easier.

I am actually excited just for the possibility to get Sanders in here. Might get my wish, keep our run scheme and add the Corryelle passing attack!!!!

Chan Gailey?!?!? Really?!?!? This might be the most uninspired offensive coordinator search I have ever seen (so far).

We should just dig up Bill Walsh, hire him, and put his corpse on the sideline to call plays. That would be more effective than Chan freaking Gailey.

Charlie Weis, Chan Gailey, and Bill Callahan have been mentioned as possibilities for our offensive coordinator position. I hear Marv Levy is also available? Where is Sam Wyche these days?

My only hope is that we are waiting for the Falcons, Raiders, Bills, 49ers, Jets, and Bears to fill out their staff so that we can get one of their old guys because the names we are hearing are atrocious.

Marty Mornhinweg hasn't been good since he left Andy Reid and I would take him over all these guys. At least we would be running the same system as Shanahan so their wouldn't be a huge learning curve.

God help us.

Manning immediately becomes a president/head coach/#1 broadcaster candidate the day he retires. There is no reason for him to take an offensive coordinator position or offensive coordinator pay cut.

Do we really want a downfield passing attack with Manziel as our QB? Also, Saunders is notorious for having a very big, very complicated playbook, is that something we want Manziel to have to deal with?

Absolutely, he was the best deep ball passer in college last year. If he cant get it done we find someone to get it done, Mallett would be someone I would like to see in here as well to compete with Johnny. I like a strong run game, with a vertical passing attack and Sanders is the guy for that. Its a system I would like to see us run whether Johnny is QB or not.

Just a heads up, it's SaUnders. Not Sanders.

I would rather not force Manziel to do something like learn Saunders playbook.

Can guarantee you Saunders had Carr run a dummied down version of the play book. Saunders would have experience in it and work a 22 year old into the system along with everyone else and then add as we get that chapter.

I sort of like this combo of OC n QB coach.

Seems to me if you're forced to dumb down your offense because of your QB's inability to learn it, you might need to be changing QB's. This is the NFL, winning is hard.

Saunders wasn't even the Raiders offensive coordinator last year.

Except that every Rookie QB runs a dummied down offense when they start.

A 22 year old with 6 quarters of experience and in a new system. That would not be any different.

An 8 year Veteran different story I would have to expect some dummy time for the rest of the team to catch up under the guidance of the veteran QB.

But I don't see the merit to the comments you made regarding (I think JM) He doesn't have the experience and it would be the first time the Entire team ran that offense. Why would he not dummy down the play book and then add as they learned???

jmh?

Sorry for the misspelling on Saunders, i am a horrible name speller. He is a good coach, great mind. Raiders scheme was fantastic and Carr did a great job of hitting the receivers but they all had a case of the dropsies.

Mallett would be someone I would like to see in here as well to compete with Johnny. "

I would like to see Mallet here has well. It looks like he got his head straightened out while on the NE bench. If so, then I think that he has the talent to become a top 10 Qb.

I suspect that we are going to take some criticism for liking Mallet.

Now that the entire Broncos coaching staff has been fired I would expect to see the retread Greg Knapp's name surface as a possibility for us.

I have no way of knowing this, but I'm guessing that Shanahan's playbook was pretty dense and thick too. JM had that playbook since June when OTA's began, yes? When he played against Cinci 6 months later, Shanahan had to install some kind of cockamamie shell offense, "Shanahan Lite" lets call it, and Manziel showed nothing. Six months and that's what he was ready to run? Now we reportedly have interest in another OC with a complicated offense, but we're concerned whether its too much for JM? What the hell is this, beanbag? If he can't do it, then he clearly lacks the skillset to be a starting NFL QB. Maybe we should bring back Maurice Carthon.

when are the Browns ever gonna get a OC whose best days are ahead of him?
the Browns either a OC who either

a) had no business being a OC i.e Carthon, Daboll
b)got the gig riding his fathers coattails i.e Shanahan
c) who's past resume defined as failure i.e Childress

yet no matter who the Browns hire,the kool aid drinkers/homers in these parts will tell
how intelligent of a hire it is.

Cleveland Browns ask to interview Cowboys' Bill Callahan and Scott Linehan, per report




Print Mary Kay Cabot, Northeast Ohio Media Group By Mary Kay Cabot, Northeast Ohio Media
on January 12, 2015 at 11:20 PM, updated January 12, 2015 at 11:28 PM

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The Browns' search for former offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan's replacement heated up Monday as the Browns requested permission to interview Cowboys offensive coordinator/offensive line coach Bill Callahan, and passing game coordinator Scott Linehan, ESPN's Adam Schefter reported.

Cleveland.com reported earlier Monday that Callahan likely would be on the Browns' radar because of his good relationship with coach Mike Pettine.

The Browns are also interested in former Bills coach Chan Gailey for the coordinator vacancy, according to Alex Marvez of Fox Sports.

Pettine and Callahan worked together from 2009-2011 with the New York Jets under Rex Ryan, when Pettine was defensive coordinator and Callahan was assistant head coach/offensive line coach.

Pettine tried to interview Callahan for the offensive coordinator position last year, but Cowboys owner Jerry Jones blocked it. He then hired Linehan and gave him Callahan's playcalling duties for 2014.

The Cowboys, who lost 26-21 to the Packers in the second round of the playoffs, finished seventh overall on offense and second in rushing.

Callahan and Linehan both have head coaching experience in addition to coordinator expertise. Callahan went 15-17 as head coach of the Raiders in 2002-03, including 2-1 in postseason. Linehan went 11-25 as head coach of the Rams, including 0-4 in his final season in 2008 before getting fired.

Linehan has also been offensive coordinator of the Dolphins, Vikings and Lions. The Jaguars are also interested in Callahan, and Ryan might be too now that he's head coach of the Bills.

Callahan and Linehan join a number of other candidates to replace former Browns offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan, who resigned last week. They include former Bills head coach Chan Gailey, Raiders quarterbacks coach John DeFilippo, and Raiders senior assistant Al Saunders, according to Marvez.

The Browns were interested in former 49ers offensive coordinator Greg Roman, but he joined Ryan's staff in Buffalo. Gailey might also have a chance to work for former Browns assistant coach Todd Bowles if he gets the Falcons job.


http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2015/01/cleveland_browns_asked_to_inte.html

Chan Gailey may be the least inspiring name in pro football.

A lot of posters are saying we have to learn a new system on O and they are right but this past year we had to learn a completely new system and we did well for the 1st 10 games or so. If we get a good OC who knows what he is doing and we improve our personnel I think we will be ok. One could hope.

Yeah i threw up a little in my mouth when I read his name... ugh

6 months when he was getting his 20% reps ya think it was the Shanny Lite program or the Game plan installed for Hoyer. I'll answer: the game plan installed for Hoyer. This Shanny Lite program was a Chapter in Shanny's playbook that he created for RG3. How do I know they did not practice that O...just too many off page in those looks. We had FB going one direction, RBs going another direction and the QB going another. We had WRs confused. blocking schemes erratic. The Offense was a complete mess not just the QB.

Shanny Lite was not a dummied down version of Hoyer's play book from Shanny. It was a New system of plays.

Another thing about Play books.
There is learning the play and knowing x's n o's of the play. Then there is running it LIVE and executing it. To execute it everyone has to know their first step their adjustments to blitzes to zone, to man to 6,7,8, more in the box. That is executing. These guys all of the O were running virtually a new O that had the vocabulary that they were use to. But the formations were different, blocking schematics different. Routes different. You might see some 6 month of studying and that was the result. I see everyone on that O looking like they were in Preseason Game # 1 running a new Offense. Everyone making mistakes. Against teams fighting for their playoff lives. It wasn't a dummied down playbook it was a brand new chapter of a playbook.

I didn't see JM running an Offense that we were running from Game #1. JM is not a dummy. He is hard on himself. In his immaturity being a back up for the first time in his career he didn't work overtime which was his mistake and a big error in judgement.

Now we will have a new O - New to the entire team. All will have to learn. Either we commit to JM or get viable competition for the starting QB position and see who learns it the best and can execute it. JM should have a head start diving into the new playbook months before draft time. He should be able to work with WRs on timing and RBs on the plays. Time to see what kind of leader he is. Not the immature kid he has shown. But if immaturity is the only stumbling block - he was humbled and he should be able to become a pro. He is coachable but he has to understand he is a Pro...its not limited to NCAA participation but a 24/7 obligation to his Team and their fans. He gets this we have a QB here. He doesn't, he will ride the bench and possibly wither away to Canadian football.

jmho

How many teams are looking for new coaches this year - 5 or so?

How many temas will have their OC's raided for other teams, manybe anther 3 or 4.

And how many teams will just want to change their offensiove startegy even without a new HC?

Every year a lot of teams change their Offense and they survive... we can to.

Eo, I will almost always defer to your X's-and-O's knowledge, but in this case I don't think either of us know what that mess against Cinci was. It seems counter-intuitive to me that Shanahan would go with a completely new offense in our biggest game of the year. A dumbed down version of the base offense seems much more likely - to me. But, as we've talked about before, we all bring our own perspectives (and prejudices) to these forums. In Manziel discussions, my point of view comes from a bewildered "what do all these people see in this guy that I don't see?". It seems like most Manziel supporters think that JM's immaturity is the only thing keeping him from fulfilling his promise. I think his immaturity only masks an underlying lack of an NFL skill set. I could be wrong - I hope I'm wrong - but I don't think I am. I don't think he can play.

It seems counter-intuitive to me that Shanahan would go with a completely new offense in our biggest game of the year.

Hours from the game and since I've been remarking on WHY? Why? Because of exactly what you wrote. I think Shanny out smarted himself. As for what I saw...Well what I didn't see was Hoyer running a Pistol offense with no FB no 2n TE. I didn't see Hoyer running the Read option. No way in heck that was a dummied down version of Hoyers offense that he was running.

Then when Hoyer comes in during the Panther game. We go right away to a 3 TE offense with with motion to power and run a play action pass. Totally different offense bang zoom. Do I think Shanny did it on purpose...NO way he's an NFL Coach they don't do stuff like that! I do think he got too smart for himself and it back fired. Meanwhile the Bengals were watching all the college tape on JM and the Pistol spread offense he ran.

jmho

j/c

do we have an interesting name on the list yet or is it still just a bunch of old OC's who run antiquated offenses?

That's exactly what I am saying, others can do it why can't we? I'd also like to take a shot with Mallet. He does have the tools and he may come at a decent price. What have we got to lose?

No interesting names of yet.. What concerns me is we get the last man standing.. I really hope that's not the case.

Would we be better to search at the collage level...

Interesting names..

Philip Montgomery..Baylor

Chad Morris..Clemson

Scott Frost..Oregon

Mike Norvell..Arizona State

Lincoln Riley...East Carolina..

Kurt Roper.. Florida

I wish Tom Herman wasn't going to HC at Houstan..

How about Pat Shurmur? He would be perfect if we draft a kicker.

Doesn't matter who we get. We're gonna suck. The team has to learn yet another offense from the ground up. No QB, FO issues and the appearance of yet another joke culture and we'll get some retread retiree who will mail it in.

We end next year 4-12 and the whole thing gets blown up again with Hassie starting his detonation presser by talking about the importance of continuity. We have to be the most consistant team in the league. We do the exact same thing EVERY year. Expecting something different would be the very definition of stupidity.

4-12 next year. No better than that. We blow and apperently, bucking the laws of logic and physics, we always will blow.

j/c

Trestman and DeFilippo are both scheduled this week to interview per Ian Rapport.


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And here's another name to possibly add to the list. Jets OC Anthony Lynn.


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Cleveland requested permission for OC interview with Jets asst HC Anthony Lynn.

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Maybe they should ask for permission to interview Jason Garrett?

no thanks.

Why Anthony Lynn. That was a dysfunctional group up there. It may not have been his fault, but he certainly didn't fix it. So why him?

He most likely runs the style of owfense we want. Ball control, use the running game to set up play action..

He worked with Rex, who Pettine has worked with, so its a fit.

...jc...



red...I hope you are wrong...but knowing that Haslam is determined see his boy Jonnie start, Haslam more than likely hires the OC who agrees to "wreck this league" with Jonnie.

Haslam is willing to risk another year in an effort to prove that Jonnie is our franchise QB.

If the Browns only win 4 or 5 games next season, Pettine is likely gone and every veteran on the team will want out, knowing that their is no upside to staying in Cleveland as they start over, once again.

When Haslam bought the team I said that the Browns have become nothing more than a billionaire's toy to play with. Once Haslam is done playing Owner, he will sell the Browns to the next Billionaire looking to feed their ego.

Why? He and Pettine have a previous working relationship.

Ok but he didn't do it very well. And as for dealing with QB issues, he didn't do that very well either.

What makes that bad is that we have a ton of QB question marks. Not sure this is the right guy.

I know you are joking, but we did ask for permission to interview Scott Linehan and Bill Callahan.

I would love Linehan, Callahan is about as bad as Chan Gailey.

We hear about them asking for permission to talk to people.. but does anyone know if they have actually talked to anyone ?

As he's walking into Jerry Jones office to sign his 5 year Extension...

Hey Jerry can the Browns Interview Jason ? Jerry " well what do you think Jason ? "

Jason " Jerry hurry the hell up and get your pen out..I have dotted lines to sign"

Callahan fits more what Farmer/Pettine want in an offense. Callahan is huge on ZBS and big believer you can win without a super star QB. Linehan is more a traditional passing attack guru. Linehan is more in line with Norv Turner.

I am more a fan for Callahan. I simply like how he builds the offense around the OL. If Haslam can figure out a way to hire Linehan as the QB coach and Callahan as the OC, I think Browns would be set for a long time, but that is a pipe dream.

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/arti...8b-254d3f9ea41f


As of now ..Here's the 9 names and a little resume...

Linehan showed this season that he was willing to run the ball hard. I like that he adapted to his team.

Thanks for the quick read. That's informative, I like the parts that indicate the style of offense that these guys tend to run. From the article:

Style of offense: Tailors offense to the talent he has using west coast and zone blocking concepts. Raiders led the NFL in rushing in 2000 under Callahan and then led the league in passing in 2002. He’s widely known as an offensive line guru.

That's the write up for Callahan.. adding in the fact that he's got HC experience and is the OC and OL coach for Dallas.. who really had a nice offense this year with Murray and Romo

Right now, I'd say he's my favorite

I am impressed with the guys we are looking at other than Lynn, just dont think he has the experience although might be a really good run coordinator.

Not a huge fan of Gailey but he took Stevie Johnson and Ryan Fitzpatrick and lit it up and who can argue with the results of Jackson and Spiller.

Still hope for Al Saunders who I consider a genius but this is a solid freaking list.

...and that would be the last straw for me. Haslam preaches continuity. He hired his head coach. If he can't stick with Pettine for more then two years then i'm done with them. I don't care if we go 1-15 next year, Haslam can not fire Pettine. It would bring a new meaning to dysfunctional franchise.

i'd be happy with Callahan as OC and bring in DeFilipo as the QB coach. I think that would be two solid hires.

Callahan hasn't those Raider teams were Gruden's teams. He was the one calling the plays. Callahan essentially got fired from the Cowboys last season, they just wouldn't let him leave. I want nothing to do with him.

DeFilipo is my #1 guy among the guys who have been mentioned. I would hope he would be able to bring some fresh ideas.

People wonder why we would look at Gailey, well, he runs a spread style offense, and that, not the read option, is what Manziel ran in college. I don't know if I want him, but I do see the logic in looking at him. (even though it appears that he is heading to NY)

I really hope we manage to get John DeFilippio for either OC or QB coach. I really like what he did with Carr this past year.

I like any of Cavanaugh, Callahan and Linehan. Any of these guys would be a quality hire.

Weis is a big name. He fits, but I don't know if he is the best fit.

Saunders is definitely an offensive guru, but the sheer size of his playbook is a concern for a young QB who struggled with a lot of complicated reads and play calls.

I do not want Trestman, even if all of the rest are gone. He has never impressed me. I have gone into the reasons for feeling this way previously, and don't seed to fill up this thread here repeating myself.

I don't really know a lot about Lynn. He has been a RB coach .... but I don't know if I want a rookie designing an offense for a struggling rookie QB.

It appears that Gailety is out. I would be fine with any of DeFilippio, Cavanaugh, Callahgan, and/or Linehan.

Weis is OK, but not my top choice. Saunders is OK, but I really don't want Trestman or Lynn as our OC.

Any talk in Cleveland about the Browns going after Callahan as OC and hard after Trestman as QB coach? I've heard that is where they were at Tuesday afternoon.

I find it interesting Lynn was promoted to assistant head coach in 2012 and has been able to keep his job there in NY since 2009. He must be doing something right.

Wasn't Lynn Browns running back coach in '06 under OC Carthon or '07 under Chud? I'm thinking '07. Browns Jamel Lewis was the first back in a long time to break a 1000 yards in a season.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chan_Gailey

Ian Rapaport reported yesterday Gailey is to be Jets' OC.

**Whew ** - dodged that bullet

Trestman interviewing today

I expect, "What can you do to help Johnny Manziel?" is among the most important questions he will be answering.

If the candidate really wants the job, he is going to tell the boss exactly what he wants to hear.

If we hire Trestman I would expect Cavanaugh or Kromer as the QB coach.

??? to anyone.
When is the Saunders interview and is it a joint interview with DeFillipo as a OC/QB coach combo?

I expect an OC who is THE GUY they want - not to leave without a contract in hand. If we interview and let them go without signing him, then we can assume he is not "THE GUY" we are hoping for or #1 on our list. Just my presumption.

Here is a new one:



Nate Ulrich, Twitter

Prior to joining Tampa Bay, Angelichio coached the tight ends at Rutgers (2011) and spent five seasons at the University of Pittsburgh (2006-10). While at Pitt., he coached a pair of all-conference players, 2010 NFL Draft choices Nate Byham and Dorin Dickerson.

Angelichio started his career in 1995 as the secondary coach at SUNY-Brockport, and then spent 10 seasons at Ithaca College, where he coached linebackers (1996-97), receivers (1998) and the offensive line (1999) before serving as offensive coordinator/offensive line coach (2000-05). While with the Bombers, Angelichio tutored seven All-Americans, helping the team advance to the postseason in seven of his 10 years. While in charge of the offense, he led a unit that set or tied 30 team or individual records over his final five seasons.

A native of Ilion, N.Y., Angelichio was a three-year starter at outside linebacker at St. Lawrence, where he earned a bachelor’s degree in physical education. He was also team captain and a four-year starter on the baseball team. He received a master’s degree from Ithaca.

Brian Angelichio’s Coaching Background:
1995 State University of New York at Brockport, secondary coach
1996-97 Ithaca College, linebackers coach
1998 Ithaca College, receivers coach
1999 Ithaca College, offensive line coach
2000-05 Ithaca College, offensive coordinator/offensive line coach
2006 University of Pittsburgh, offensive assistant/tight ends coach
2007-10 University of Pittsburgh, tight ends coach
2011 Rutgers University, tight ends coach
2012-13 Tampa Bay Buccaneers, tight ends coach
2014- Cleveland Browns, tight ends coach

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There has been no interview announced for Saunders, we have only been "interested" in him. The only guys we have interviewed or will interview so far are Gailey (interviewed by us on 1/13, hired by the Jets), Trestman (interviewing 1/14), Lynn (interviewing 1/15), Angelichio (going to be interviewed, and DeFilippo (sometime this week).

thank you!

While I love the idea of an "up and comer"

Angelichio hasn't called plays for 10 years, and that was at a small school..

Risky.

What I would like about an in house hire, is the possibility of keeping the system in tact, and just having a different person call plays..

That's part of the risk. We don't know if Angelichio and DeFilippo can call plays. But how can anyone know until they take the leap and give them a chance? Everyone needs their first shot. At least Pettine has an idea of what kind of worker and coach Angelichio is as he has been on his staff for a year.

Even the best at calling plays had to start somewhere. They have to have growing pains.

I for one would rather not be someones training ground but then, maybe it's balanced out with keeping the system intact.. Not sure.

Calling plays isn't as hard as you think. The trick is executing plays. That is the 95% of an OC's task - game day again its not that difficult. You call plays that give them the best chance to execute.

Like a run with 6-7 in the box. Pass with 8 or more. A play that has 3 options for the QB - Usually one pass and 2 runs or 1 run and two passes.

Teaching to execute - running routes with Man or Zone. Many mnay variables to being a good OC. Calling the play really is not that hard. Just don't call stupid plays. Like a screen pass when you are inside your 5. Just stay away from Dumb calls. Most the rest has to do with how well you coached the O to execute these plays called.

I don't think Manziel is a big criteria to our decision. Possibly the ability to teach ANY YOUNG QB is very high cause if not Manziel we got to keep picking them.

jmho

Of those nine, not really any of them stick out and that's including reading their little "resume" section/snippets. At this point in time, factoring the whole Brian won't be back and JF is just a moron debate/aspect - who is the best run-first play caller?

Link

I know next to nothing about this guy other than what I read on his Wikipedia page and a quick Google search. I don't want anything to do with him after reading those few things.

NFL
Buffalo Bills 2014 Senior Offensive Assistant
Baltimore Ravens 2008-13 Wide Receivers
San Francisco 49ers 2007 Offensive Coordinator
San Francisco 49ers 2005-06 Quarterbacks
New York Jets 2003-04 Wide Receivers/Quarterbacks
New Orleans Saints 2001-02 Asst. Wide Receivers/ Offensive Asst./Quality Control
Kansas City Chiefs 2000 Offensive Assistant/Quality Control
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IUP 1994-99 Offensive Coordinator/QBs/LBs/RBs
Juniata College 1993 Offensive Coordinator
IUP 1990-92 Running Backs

He was the OC in Mike Nolan's last year at SF. Not pretty stats (22nd passing, 31st rushing, 25th overall), but I know nothing about him.

This is an article from last Feb:

http://www.buffalorumblings.com/buffalo-...thaniel-hackett

So the Cowboys have retained Scott Linehan..

I didn't realize this.. But this season he called plays but was titled their "Passing Game Coordinator"

Callahan, who we are looking into, called the plays the previous year, was still the "Offensive Coordinator" while being the O Line coach..

And also Jason Garrett helped.

That's confusing.

Meanwhile Monte Kiffin was wondering around Texas looking for his marbles.

Scott Linehan was a very qualified candidate for OC, that the Browns should have been considering...until he was signed to an extension by Jerry Jones.

It was a smart move by the Boys, insuring "continuity" in case Callahan leaves.

Callahan is one of the names said to be under consideration for the Browns OC position. Pettine and Callahan worked together for 3 yrs, while with the Jets.

IMO, the Browns should do what the Cowboys have done, create a new coaching position called "Passing Game Coordinator" and fill that position with an understudy to the OC. That way, if the OC leaves, the Browns retain continuity by sliding the PGC up to OC.

The Passing Game Coordinator likely carries a higher salary than a position coach, which is another factor to promote continuity.

There is another name the Browns might be considering for OC..John DeFilippo, QB coach for the Raiders. The problem with DeFilippo, he has never been an offensive coordinator. But DeFilippo would be a prime candidate to fill a Passing Game Coordinator position.

DeFilippo is from Youngstown and coached the Jets QBs in 2009, when Pettine was the Jets DC.

If the Browns hired both Callahan and DeFlippo, it would go a long way toward establishing offensive continuity.

Creating an additional higher paying position such as PGC might help to solve the problem the Browns now find themselves in...the OC leaves and with him goes the Offense.

Callahan was the OC last year and did such a poor job calling plays that they brought in Linehan to do it this year.

What's confusing is why they didn't just fire Callahan.

Also, one of the reasons I don't want Callahan as our OC.

Must be nice to build strong within so a team can promote from within and not need to consider any of these names that frequently float around this time of the year. IE: Steelers and Butler.

Thought this belonged here .....


Steve Doerschuk
CantonRep.com sports writer
Posted Jan. 13, 2015 @ 4:30 pm

If Marc Trestman can help the Browns plow through the AFC North the way he did in 2013, Mike Pettine might be on to something.
Trestman looms as the most qualified candidate being interviewed for Cleveland’s offensive coordinator opening.
His NFL résumé dates to the 1980s when he was Bernie Kosar’s position coach and coordinator in Cleveland. He is viewed as an innovator who would embrace making the best of Johnny Manziel or whomever. If hired, he would help drive the debate on what to do with the position.
He has been a head coach the last eight years, six with the Montreal Alouettes (CFL Gray Cup titles in 2009 and 2010), the last two with the Chicago Bears.
He interviewed for the Browns head coach opening in 2013 but was hired by Chicago. The Bears went 4-0 against the AFC North under him in ‘13.
He was fired as head coach after the 2014 season fell apart but is still regarded as a top-flight coordinator and manager of quarterbacks. He was a college QB, playing behind Tony Dungy at Minnesota.
Trestman was talking to Ohio writers a year ago when he said:
“Timing is everything with quarterbacks. They have their time where they're surrounded with their best resources of players and coaches and it kind of all ties together. All of a sudden, things start to happen.”
He was Kosar’s position coach with the Miami Hurricanes in 1983 and ‘84. He originally went to Miami as a law-school student, passing the bar but opting for a coaching career.
In 1988, he rejoined Kosar with the Browns as QBs coach/coordinator.
“I probably learned as much from Bernie as any quarterback I ever coached,” Trestman said. “He was certainly as smart and as courageous as any player I’ve ever been around.
“Being in Cleveland,” Trestman added, “was one of my favorite experiences. I have really great memories of the old stadium, driving in, the bonfires, the weather.
“I met my wife there.”
Marc and Cindy Trestman recently celebrated their 25th wedding anniversary. Thursday marks his 59th birthday.
Kosar’s recent sharp criticisms of the Browns are a potential issue in Trestman’s candidacy, but it’s not as if they are joined at the hip. They last worked together in 1989, the last year the Browns reached an AFC title game.
Trestman since worked for the Vikings, 49ers, Lions, Cardinals, Raiders and Dolphins en route to being a head coach.
He was hired as Jon Gruden’s quarterbacks coach in Oakland in 2001. Then, after Gruden bolted to Tampa Bay in ‘02, he was promoted to coordinator, with coordinator Bill Callahan succeeding Gruden. Trestman helped Rich Gannon become the 2002 NFL MVP and was in that season’s Super Bowl.


Read more: http://www.timesreporter.com/article/20150113/Sports/150119762#ixzz3OuiF4R1Z

Someone tell me again why Trestman would be a bad hire for the Browns?

j/c

Add another name to the list of potential OCs.


Jeremy Fowler
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#Browns expected to interview #Bills assistant Jim Hostler late this week, according to source.

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Not surprising after Shanahan was granted his release, but the WR coach is gone too.


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Looks like you can rest easy. Callhan appears to be headed to Washington.


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perhaps a trestman OC with bernie as his QB coach.

Then bernie can raise up the QB the way he see fit and then have no one to blame but himself.

I think would be awesome =)

So...can't the song be song again in 2014 as well?....just substitute HC for OC?

"No one wants to come to Cleveland to be the Offensive Coordinator!"

Report: Bill Callahan lands three-year deal in Washington
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The Cowboys lose their OC and now the Cowboys Passing Coordinator can slide right into the OC job, same playbook and the Cowboys retain CONTINUITY.

The Browns talk about maintaining CONTINUITY...but that is all they have done since Haslam took over...talk about it.

How hard is it to copy the Cowboys method of establishing continuity?

Establish a new position, call it what you want, but make the pay grade slightly less than an OC.

so far we are eliminating the ones i wasnt very thrilled with lol

Callahan to the Redskins.

I think I'd rather go with a young guy that may make mistakes, and can learn from them..

Then a retread that makes the same mistakes he used to because he KNOWS it'll work the time..

I believe you'll get your wish. I mean what we do know is that our QB coach forwarded a message to our owner and GM lobbying for them to move up and draft Manziel. They did exactly that. Now did anyone hear anything about Shanahan being involved in any of this?

Does that sound like a job you would want if you had other options? If you want a yes man, get a young guy who wants his first shot. That's most likely what you'll end up with.

I understand your point. However, mistakes may lead to losses. Too many losses will lead a trigger happy owner to fire the HC. Then all coaches are out of job regardless of how old/young they are.

I think this is a real reason why no one is legitimately tied to the Browns. I don't blame them.

But in the end it could very well be a young guy trying to make a mark because no one else wants to take the gamble. *sigh*

Unless we hire everyone we interview it will be seen as a fail by some lol.

mourg...it's not about NAMES...use any name you want. It is about the Browns establishing some CONTINUITY when coordinators move on.

What I'm trying to do, using the Cowboys as an example, is to show how easy it would be for the Browns to maintain some "CONTINUITY" on offense.

I agree 100% mac. I have guys i prefer but I hope we establish continuity in the system we run. I prefer the Coryelle offense that Chud ran but I also feel this zone run scheme is best for the personnel we do have. Keep our OL and RB coach and hire someone that will bring in the more vertical base Coryelle offense. I thought our passing attackc was better under Chud and Norv than it was under shannahan but our run game was 100% better under Shannahan and it isnt all about the backs either.


I want to set up our system and we bringcoaches up the ranks in our system. Not always trying to adapt our guys to the next big thing.

Agreed... but you have to put the right people in place before continuity works.

Shanny wasnt a fit... why... who the hell knows, his idea, Haslams, farmers pett's ??... bottom line he didnt work out... lets find the right guy... hope that Farmer and Pett continue to improve and then we can at least start to show some continuity.

BTW I like that idea that Jones had... he may be an ass... but if so you might as well be the smart one.

Such is the draw and the fail of a board like this, no matter the Coach or FO or player decision made... some knowledgable ( and some not so) people will love it and some will hate it.

Check out how many times he's been fired and what his offensive rankings were. That might help.

Or, consider all the offensive talent they had in Chicago and how freaking pitiful they were. Does that help?

Two new interview dates. John DeFilippo on 1/16 and Al Saunders on 1/19.

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DeFilippo is the guy I want the most of the guys that have been mentioned. I would love to have Saunders in the same role he had with the Raiders. Some sort of Senior Offensive Assistant type job.

just so i know bro,

are any of the guys we are interviewing implement, or have implemented, the zone blocking scheme?

or will our offense be yet again learning a completely different system?

The offensive line coach which has a history with Pettine will be staying so there is a good chance we keep the same blocking scheme for the run but i expect (hope for) a more vertical offense so will be different covering the 5 and 7 step drops.

this is al assumption based what i'm about to say, but i don't know if we can be more vertical unless we go WR heavy in draft, which i hope not, depending on how the gordon situation plays out.

we got quick route WR in hawkins and gabriel. and while they did burn people deep, asking them to do it consistently i think they won't be able to. too small. if...IF gordon makes it through the offseason with no hickups then sure. but i don't know if that will work with what we have right now.

This is what I am hoping for as well- now that Callahan is to the redskins (Snyder supposedly opened up his wallet, wonder what kind of deal he snagged.)

You do realize a Coryelle style of offense has the least success super bowl win percentage. I read just recently. Wish I kept note of the thread.

Balance offense with a strong defense wins more times than not. True, it is most boring and least attractive to fantasy football stats.

The article reference high passing offenses do well during the regular season for the simple fact half of your schedule is against weak to average defenses. In the playoffs, a passing team faces either heavy blitzing or strong secondary.

Vertical? When was the last time you saw more receivers for the Browns open deep than this year? Seriously bro? What are you talking about?

I think Gabriel is in the Steve Smith mold. Hawkins pure slot, underneath guy. Benji is afraid to run the underneath stuff. Gordon can only run a shallow cross or a deep post.

Gabriel imho is gonna be special. I may be wrong but he impressed me more than anyone on offense this year. He is little but man he can ball.

I agree w/you about Gabriel being impressive. I am not going to say he is going to be special in the future, but man, he was our best all-around WR this past year. Great find by Farmer.

Theres a reason Phillip Rivers had a "career resurgence" after Norv left SD... Once you stop asking OL to block for so long they look a lot better..

NE runs shotgun it seems 95% of the time, but how often is Brady holding the ball an extremely long time?

Quick passing game. Run the ball. Play action opens up the deep throws..

We both know the Chud's corryelle version is a vertical offense and Shannahan is based on a lot of WC priciples although he does mix in the deep ball more than most of the wide based schemes.

A lot of it was because Rivers just doesnt have the deep ball accuracy to run the scheme. There isnt a lot of really good deep ball throwers in the game today.

Hell last year out of all the QBs coming out, Johnny was probably the best deep ball thrower, Carr would have been next but they were both kinda crappy.

Man, Shanny's offense was a brilliant combination of both horizontal routes which spread the defense out and vertical routes which stretched them out.

I was amazed by the pure genius of it and wonder how long it will take for other teams to start running the same tree routes.

Of course, we let him get away.

Only the freaking Browns! I am so freaking sick of this team and their dumb decisions. This was all about egos and had nothing to do w/football sense.

Vers, by no means am I going to state this is a great group of receivers. With that said and assuming Gordon, well, brings value, Browns receives can be talented. I go as far to say if Browns can draft a tall receiver to replace Austin, his early days, they a have structured group.

My point of play is the small game 10-20 yards. Having tall receives and Cameron makes suitable for red-zone.

I get if your argument Gordon is unreliable. I'll buy we need to look at replacing.

What I would do, being Browns FO, get a Joe Jurevicius type. Leadership is missing in the receiver group.

You know I like---and respect--you bugs. If you don't know that.........I will tell you that I really do.

I disagree w/you. I think they are pretty lame. I think that Shanny's route trees, emphasis on the run game, creativity, and play calling led our WRs success this year.

I don't expect our WRs to be nearly as successful next year unless we trade for someone like Rodgers, Luck, or Wilson.

He used the playaction fake combined with some quick crosses cough cough rubs to get our receivers up field better than anyone i have seen. Something really simple but it was genius. I hate to lose him but he isnt irreplaceable. We have had some damn good coordinators. I mean lets face it we had Bruce Arians, we had Chud, we had Norv, we had Shannahan, FO has been more of an issue than coaching.

Personnel decisions have just been horrid from Policy to Farmer and never building anything sustainable.

That, I will agree with.

But who the hell replaces him? Do any of these guys impress you?

I'm not so impressed. I am just depressed that we lost our best coach in years.

Vers, if I worried about people disagreeing...!!!! I like your school of thought on most football ideas. So, we disagree here...sorry, you're wrong here!!!! LOL!

Seriously, I will disagree here. Yea, Browns don't have the elite receiver. I normally agree looking at bios on Browns receivers. Austin, Hawkins, and Gabriel are guys I would die having on my team. As I stated earlier love having Joe amongst this group. If you need a deep threat, Benjamin can be that guy. I really think Browns are missing a leader at the receiver position.

You had a WCO QB with this team you'd change your mind on this group.

Tom Brady really makes a ton of short throws, and a ton of quick throws. I was, however, shocked at how few he threw behind the LOS.

This year he threw as follows: (distance pass traveled in the air)

Behind the LOS: 67-81 82.7% 331 yards 4.09 yards/attempt 0 TD 0 INT
1-10 yards: 212-306 69.3% 1934 yards 6.32 yards/attempt 18 TD 2 INT
11-20 yards: 74-130 56.9% 1337 yards 10.29 yards/attempt 11 TD 6 INT

21 and over: 12-48 25% 427 yards 8.9 yards/attempt 4 TD 1 INT

Surprisingly, Brady was in the shotgun 387 times, and was in a 1 back set 413 times. (obviously, including runs, and they did run 438 times, but I don't believe that they would just go under Center to run, because that would be a massive tip off to defenses) I was also surprised at how many different guys they used at RB. They had no one over 100 carries, but ran the ball 438 times. That is really bizarre.

It's weird looking at some of the splits. Do the Patriots really almost never use motion? According to Brady's splits, the Pats used motion only 20 times out of 566 pass snaps. That seems really low to me.

Anyway, if people want to look at some of the splits on Brady, they can find them here: http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits/_/id/2330/tom-brady

The Pats stats are here: http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/stats/_/name/ne/new-england-patriots

The Patriots run the spread in many circumstances. The spread usually has many throws behind the line of scrimmage.

My point was that he doesn't throw many passes behind the LOS last year. (or, at least, he didn't last year) I was shocked at how few passes he threw behind the LOS.

I totally misread your post.

I would never do that.

Any schedule of visits or interviews yet?

So you didn't read the thread?

In thinking about this a little very casually, it occurred to me that I sincerely hope that we look past all the re-treads out there and instead dig deep and look at all the assistants out there, the guys calling plays in the CFL, etc... heck, even Pettine's father's people.

We dug deep to get Pettine and I think we have a winner with him; let's dig deep, far, and wide and come up with someone other than a "people's choice" type simply because he has name recognition.

I hoped for Callahan and DeFilippo .... but I will happily "settle" for DeFilippo.

prp...It doesn't look like there are too many out of work OCs wanting to a job working for the Browns.
If we do land a high profile guy, it's not likely that he would be here long.

I was hoping that the Browns would give Pettine the power to pick an OC of his choosing, rather than having Haslam and Farmer involved in making the choice. After all, it's Pettine's job that will be on the line if we don't get an OC willing to stay a few years.

CONTINUITY...lack of it is killing this franchise...and that is not an overstatement.

Like I pointed out earlier, in an effort to establish more continuity, the Browns need to hire a OC and someone who will work closely with the coordinator...something like the Cowboys have...a position called Passing Coordinator.

Make the pay more than a position coach but slightly less than an OC. The idea is to keep your OC as long as possible, but have someone working as an understudy, ready to move up to OC if the OC leaves.

Worked well for Jones this year and I see no reason it would not work well here. It just a matter of finding a qualified OC first.

Finding a talented individual to fill the PC (passing coordinator) would be easier, I would think...might be someone who is young, with no or little NFL experience, but sharp enough to learn our offensive system in a couple of years.

It looks like the Browns were not prepared for something like this happening...hopefully they learn for their mistakes.

The Buccaneers fired their interim offensive coordinator today, Marcus Arroyo. I wouldn't want him as our offensive coordinator, but I would love to have him as our QB coach.

It sounds like Adam Gase is not going to get a head coaching job. If that is the case we have to at least bring him for an interview.

Actually you should be happy with the prospects of DeFillipo coming in and a friend of Pettine - sign on to be our Asst offensive Coach and QB Coach. As a precursor or signed but not announced until we get Saunders here and sign him as the OC.

I think we could expect Saunders to get an HC job soon leaving us in a year or two but we would have DeFillipo set up as the new OC and not miss a beat.

Possibly this is the plan all along.

jmho

Saunders is nearly 70 years old. He is never getting a head coaching job.

I'd like to thank Kyle Shanahan..

Because had he not left.. I have no idea what we'd be talking about right now..

The thought scares me.

I agree. The chances of Saunders landing a HC gig are slim to none.

Manziel should be able to whiz through Saunders' playbook in no time flat, too.

EO...is there anything holding the Browns back from signing these guys? I won't be happy until the Browns have qualified individuals hired, creating a new position, passing coordinator or assistant offensive coach...what ever they want to call it.

Lack of CONTINUITY is killing the Browns...just ask Joe Thomas. Too bad we were not smart enough last season to realize we needed to hire more than just an OC..we needed Shannahan's successor hired last year, in an effort to head off the problem we now find ourselves in.

I think you agree with me...

Irony

A year ago I was blasted on the board for saying that rejecting the Brown's job was the biggest mistake Adam Gase would ever make.

A number of Dawgs dismissed me and educated me on how it was a good idea for him to avoid us like the plague (how dysfunctional we are and all) and how he will end up getting a much better job if he turns us down and waits until next year.

Now we're looking at whether we might bring him in for an OC interview.

he he... sorry

It is also why Doug Marrone opting out was so dumb (even though he got $4 million for nothing). There are only 32 NFL head coaching jobs. If you have to the chance to grab one you should do it.

He was going to be going back to a team with no QB, and was there was no guarantee that the owner was going to keep him once his deal was up. There was word that the owner wanted his own head coach, which is his right ... but for the head coach, he becomes a dead man walking. (and we've certainly seen enough of those around here lately) Coaches in that position generally have their "brand" damaged, often beyond repair. I think that he made a wise decision to get out, given the circumstances.

OH a Youngster...lol

Well then change that from getting an HC job to Retiring...lol

EO...is there anything holding the Browns back from signing these guys?

Well going on memory I think they still have to Interview. Maybe its this weekend.

As for creating a new position. No, if you wish utilize the QB coach position as that apprentice in line position.

QB Coach from what I remember is a coaching position that was least involved after training camp and the season started.

No need for another.

The deal with Calahan was something I don't think you will ever see again. It was a transition from Garrett to what's his name. Calahan was there to run the OL.

jmho

It seems like Marrone thought he had another job lined up (the Jets). If he could go back I bet he wouldn't have left.

That might also be. Who knows?

Nobody knows. But it has to be quite a shock to the system to go from head coach to offensive coordinator by choice. And imagine he bombs as a coordinator, he will not get another look then either.

Defillipo for OC, Saunders for assistant head coach/offense would be interesting.

or that!

Why do you presume OCs are rejecting Pettine and/or the Browns? You are also assuming Haslam is in control. It could very well be Pettine is in complete control and not seeing these proclaimed top candidates to his liking.

He doesn't know. Every coordinator we have been rumored to be interested in (besides Callahan, who got a pisspot full of money from Washington) has either come in for an interview or is scheduled for an interview in the near future.

UHHHHH Yeah..... you got any dates?????

Thanx. have been out of touch so was trying to see if a schedule was being met or something like that.

well no one has been signed, and they are not lining up outside Pett's office.. therefore no one has any interest in coming here.. isn't that how the logic normally goes?

maybe... and this is out of the box thinking here ... they want to finish the talking to viable candidates, maybe they want to talk to someone still in the playoffs, maybe they have already struck a deal and are waiting for the OC to help look for QB coach or the OC in training position, which is a good idea to me, but one could argue the QB coach should be that

In an interview I heard with Alec Scheiner (the team president) he said they want to interview all viable candidates before they hire someone. His reasoning was that was how they found Pettine.

Well if anyone of these candidates could be considered as Pettine's guy it would be this DePhillipo kid. They were friends and I heard was Pettine's choice to bring here last year (heard QB Coach). Maybe the interviews we had were dotting the i's and crossing the t's.

The favorites to get the job are coming this weekend in some kind of package or by himself???

Possibly this has been Pettine's guy. This weekend. Why do I remember Defellipo for the 16th??? Then Saunders.

We'll see I think this is it. Unless we are waiting for an asst. coach on one of the 4 active teams!

jmho

j/c

Now that Callahan went to Washington. I can see Browns hiring Matt Cavanaugh as the OC with John DeFilippo as the quarterback coach. Keeping Andy Moeller and George DeLeone as OL coaches will help secure ZBS. As for receiver coach, I like either Sanjay Lal or Rob Moore.

Sanjay, per Holmes, "He’s a tough-nosed guy, very mechanical, loves to work on technique and doesn’t take any B.S. from the receivers."

Rob Moore helped prepare Watkins last year.

who dictates what run blocking scheme we use? will it be the new OC or the HC?

j/c

For those complaining Browns are getting passed over, I think you need to take a look at what Farmer/Pettine are trying to build. They want a run oriented scheme. Coaches looking for a HC position what flash to attract attention. Pettine is looking for a OC who wants to run the football. With this style, it will take time getting noticed. In order for people to see, you have to win and continue winning. It is why I think Kyle left. It started out great, but once it fizzled people lost interest. As you can see, Kyle wasn't the hot commodity.

I don't have any direct connections within the Browns organization! LOL! I am only guessing Farmer/Pettine dictates. They stated they laid out the foundation. They need to stay true to it and continue adding pieces. If you look at the coaches still on the team and who left, it is obvious they want a something different in the passing game.

It appears that the Browns are destined to to change OC's every year so what does it matter who it is?

Pettine should just hire the guy he gets along with.

Just make sure the guy can adjust to the personnel he has to work with.

The reason being that Manziel most likely will not make it as a NFL quarterback. And who knows who else is going to be brought in.

The OC should be able to get the most from what he has to work with which includes the OL and skill positions.

At this point I really do not have a preference.

What I want to know is who is going to lead the team at quarterback?

I would venture that it is whoever is in charge of hiring the offensive coordinator.

that could be farmer though.
let me rephrase this question......
typically who dictates what run blocking scheme a team uses.

Shanny has always liked running the ball and he always has, including last year. He didn't give up on the run like other OCs.

I was by no means implying he was deviating from the run game. In the second half, Browns offense wasn't looking the prize, mostly because of lack of depth. If you were a coordinator looking to make HC, Browns offense is not something marketing your talents.

Lane Kiffin is the frontrunner for the 49ers OC job. Something tells me that Saban is not very happy about that.

So who do still have scheduled in interviews?

DeFillipo? was that done yet. Saunders? I think if we don't sign them...or DeFillipo (got a feeling he will be with us in some capacity) we have to be waiting for one of the playoff teams to finish their season. Is that an Obvious???

jmh?

Man, doesn't it seem like Kiffin has done nothing in his career but burn bridges? I would have to believe that Saban is pretty unhappy about it.

The only one I know of is Saunders interviewing on 1/19. Everyone else is done I think (Trestman, Hostler, DeFilippo, and Angelichio).

Interesting how these positions are shaping. There was a rumor that Defillipo was the guy Pettine wanted last time and was talked into Shannahan as the FO felt we needed a more experienced coach. I hoped we would land Saunders but I think its a 2 man race now between Cavanaugh and Defillipo.

Did Cavanuagh even interview?

Mourgrym I think Pettine wanted him for the QB coach...and we had Loggains I think even before Shanny???

Pretty sure it wasn't for OC at the time.

Well after Saunders there might be two more interviews from the losing teams staff of the games today.

I think my preference is hiring Saunders as the OC, while also hiring Defillipo as his "understudy" to take over after few years...

I thought he was the first we were supposed to interview but then we started hearing the bigger names of Weis and Gailey and no one really talked about him since.

Albert Breer

Mentioned the interest earlier -- Browns will interview Raiders QBs coach John DeFilippo for their OC spot on Thursday.
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Thanks...well now I don't think...I know he was coming in for the OC interview.

So the wait has to be to interview Saunders (did he have other interviews first) to see if he will join DeFillipo in some capacity?

jmh?

EO,

Don't be a Damanshot* and just sign up to Twitter.

And if you know how to text n' stuff, follow Cleveland beat writers, news outlets, and even national journalists IF you want to live on the edge. Then, set up your twitter account to send you tweets of subsequent posts directly to your phone. I promise you its not too difficult and if your phone plan allows unlimited data, it will spare you the need to ask for updates.

YOU (wishing there was and Uncle Sam emoticon right about now) will be in "the know"....you could be a source for us board posters....a "BOZO" if you will.



* Post is not intended to offend Damanshot

EO,

Don't be a Damanshot* and just sign up to Twitter.

And if you know how to text n' stuff, follow Cleveland beat writers, news outlets, and even national journalists if you want to live on the edge. Then, set up your twitter account to send you tweets of subsequent posts directly to your phone. I promise you its not too difficult and if your phone plan allows unlimited data, it will spare you the need to ask for updates.

but that is why I come to this board. All the young dawgs. text? I've been texting now for over a year...lol. I found out I was paying for data coverage and I discontinued. I'm just not one of the Tweeters or Linkadinkers. I am told to keep up with my young guys I got to get Insta gram or something like that. Heck that's why I started to text cause nobody under 30 bothers to listen to Voicemail any more!

maybe in the future if I get one of the thin but pretty area covered screen phones I see the youngsters swiping their apps left and right and taking selfies. Maybe I'll do all that...lol

Until then that is why I got relationships with young people... Oh and I do appreciate all the info.

I hope that we hire Defilippio as our OC. He did a great job with Carr in Oakland, and he is supposed to be a really bright offensive mind.

Oh, and he's from YTown as well.

Please change your name to this. ^


I'm not that young and I use twitter frequently. I'd investigate it if I were you. It's simple, and even if you use it only on your computer, you'll get all the information you need real-time.

It's actually a very useful tool in the ever-changing NFL world.

But I'm not talking Pure Football. I'm soon to be scolded.

Well tab, I have sent one text in my life and came to the conclusion i will never send another. lol I dont get it. It makes no sense to me.

I know Sanchez spoke really high of Defillipo and he really did a great job refining Carr. Anytime the guys name is mentioned it is usually with the words one of the great young minds in football. Being around Saunders, who i think is a freaking genius, isnt a bad thing for him either.

OMG!!! Nooooo...

You don't even have to post on twitter.

Just make an account and follow certain people (Schefter is my fav)

And if your data doesn't mind, you can set it to where you get updates when they post..

I also get updates from my ESPN app. Only for the teams I follow..

Hell I got an update that Manziel was in a Snickers commercial..

That's all I do. I follow Shefter and wait and see how long it takes Mary K to copy and paste his post.

That is from last year.

We were discussing if Defillipo interviewed for QB coach or OC last year and thats why I posted it. He also interviewed this past friday for OC once again. We have Saunders scheduled for tommorow.

Got it. Thanks for the update!

My completely uneducated guess is that we hire Saunders and DeFillipo as a package deal.

Either Saunders as OC and as QB coach with the plan for him to take over as OC in 1-2 years or I suspect more likely Defilippo as OC with Saunders as a Senior Offensive Advisor to help DeFilippo and make sure that he has someone to bounce things off of and not get overwhelmed early on.

I think this gets Pettine DeFillipo like he wants but also gives Farmer the experienced long time NFL guy that he wants.

Again, no insider info, just my prediction.

LOL

Sit and spin dude

I HATE TWITTER.. So, I'll just let you guys deal with it and I'll come here to hear the results....

Gee, that is exciting.

It is exciting. I am very intrigued with a combination of the Corryelle offense and Shannahan's zone run scheme. I wasnt excited with Shannahan hire, but he did a good job and was here for as long as i expected. 1 year.

I hope we can get both those guys in here and create our own identity.

The Raiders were 32nd in offense. There are only 32 teams in the NFL.

Yeah........very exciting.

DeFilippo also helped develop a promising young QB in Carr.

Think about this for a minute. (and it shocked me)

The Raiders scored 26 TD on offense, 22 passing and 4 rushing.

The Browns scored 27 TD on offense, 12 passing and 17 rushing. We did kick 6 more FG than the Raiders did.

Freaked me out that we were that close in scoring.

Ok vers u win. We shouldn't hire anyone, we should just sit and cry till Shannahan comes back to save us.

I've never claimed to be any good at math but those figures dont add up.....

You have a typo on our TD count, 29 TDs?

I know we beat the Raiders at home, but I think their roster is better. Plus their strength of schedule going into the season was the hardest and ours was close to the easiest. I'm more shocked that we scored that many TDs with our pathetic roster.

Sorry, 29. 3 more TD than the Raiders scored. Not much of a difference over 16 games.

In what world do you live in that the Raiders roster is better than ours? They have a bunch of old farts, Khalil Mack, Sio Moore, and Derek Carr. That's it.

We interviewed our TE coach, Angelichio, sometime last week. (I knew we were going to interview Angelichio, I just didn't know when the interview was going to occur.)

Ulrich

Apparently the Jets are not hiring Chan Gailey as their offensive coordinator.

Bullet not dodged.

Link

Unless you're the Jets

It's discouraging that this thread doesn't have an answer yet

I got no qualms if they're being extra methodical about the OC search... the only thing I am discouraged by is if we take too long and someone signs with another team. Was kind of hoping that Gailey would sign with another team lol.

Packers OC Tom Clements on Cleveland Browns radar for OC vacancy

The Green Bay Packers' Tom Clements is someone the Cleveland Browns may be interested in interviewing for their vacant offensive coordinator job. (AP)

Print Mary Kay Cabot, Northeast Ohio Media Group By Mary Kay Cabot, Northeast Ohio Media Group

on January 19, 2015 at 11:27 AM, updated January 19, 2015 at 1:10 PM

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Packers offensive coordinator Tom Clements, who's coming off a crushing 28-22 overtime loss to the Seahawks in Sunday's NFC Championship Game, is on the Browns' radar for their offensive coordinator vacancy.

The Browns are not believed to have asked permission to interview him yet, but might decide to do so this week now that he's out of the playoffs.

The Packers would not have to grant permission, because it would be a lateral move.

Why would Clements even consider leaving the Packers' high-powered offense and a star quarterback like Aaron Rodgers?

Maybe he wouldn't. But Mike McCarthy calls the plays in Green Bay, and Clements might want a chance to get back to doing that.

The last time he called the plays was in 2004-05 as offensive coordinator of the Bills.

The Packers have denied teams permission to interview Clements, but that was back when he was their quarterbacks coach, from 2006-2011.

The Packers also have some good young assistants that they could promote to replace Clements, including quarterbacks coach Alex Van Pelt. According to Jim Thomas of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, the Rams want to interview Van Pelt and Colts special assistant Rob Chudzinski for their offensive coordinator vacancy, and Clements' departure would enable the Packers to keep Van Pelt.

The Browns are interviewing several more candidates for their coordinator post this week, including Raiders senior assistant Al Saunders and Jets assistant head coach/running backs coach Anthony Lynn.

The new coordinator will replace Kyle Shanahan, who asked out of the remaining two years of his contract and has agreed to become the Falcons' offensive coordinator.

He will be the sixth Browns offensive coordinator in as many seasons.

Under Clements, who's been Green Bay's coordinator the past three seasons, the Packers finished first in the NFL with 30.4 points per game this season. They were also sixth with 386.1 yards per game and eights with 266.3 passing yards per game. They were also 11th with 119.8 rushing yards per game.

Pettine will have a large say in who his new coordinator is, and he shares the same agent as Clements, Trace Armstrong.

Another candidate the Browns interviewed, former Bills head coach Chan Gailey, could still be in play for the Browns. ESPN's Adam Schefter reported Monday that the Jets job is not a lock for Gailey, as has been reported.

"Everybody made it seem like a done deal – everybody except me," Gailey told Schefter, adding that he's at a crossroads with the Jets. Gailey, who interviewed with several other teams for their coordinator vacancies this offseason, said he's looking for the right team and the right situation. He interviewed with the Browns last Tuesday in Cleveland.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ss..._social_feature

Hard to judge Clements cause' Mike McCarthy calls all the plays there in Green Bay. Ray Farmer "leaving no stone unturned" seems like an all true statement!

Why would Clements come here when he has perhaps the best QB in the land to work with and we have a bunch of ? marks.. And it would be a lateral move.. Why would he do that?

So he can actually call plays.

I get that, but why HERE? who is going to execute the darn things?

Because he doesn't actually call the plays. I'm sure being involved, doing the grunt work in terms of preparation and not being to have the control when it counts on gameday would make someone want to jump ship. That is like brewing the beer but not being able to drink any after it's made, LOL!

JMO

because the fix is in. we are trading for Aaron Rodgers!!!!!!!!

Will you look at this...

"The Packers have denied teams permission to interview Clements, but that was back when he was their quarterbacks coach, from 2006-2011."

The Packers fight to retain their coaches...they fight to maintain continuity on their coaching staff. Jimmy Haslam needs take note of how the Packers run their franchise.

Yeah. Not only can't you leave, but we won't even let anyone talk to you about leaving.

But those Packers are a low class organization. Why wouldn't they just let a coach walk?

I'm amazed nobody brought this up, but if our owner had forced Shanahan to stay, he wouldn't have undermined his own career by doing a poor job or causing trouble that would damage his future employment. That's absurd.

Setting the precedent that all you have to do is whine a little and you can leave without honoring your contractual commitment lessens the possibility of future continuity, not increases it.

If there is any truth that we were looking to replace KS, and he started putting out feelers to go somewhere else again I ask Why would you or anybody else for that matter want to keep him? I am sure GB was satisfied with their coaching staff and wanted to keep everybody in place, we on the other hand were not, so again I ask why not? If we forced him to stay, then talk about dis-function. We would see games like we had against Cin. the 2nd time. I think he would do anything to force his way out of here. We do not need that. We need people that want to be here. Not sure why you are making this out to be the Browns as the bad guy?

Two things about this latest news:

--LMAO at Green Bay saying no. On the Shanny thread, people were calling the author of the article a bozo because he suggested that Haslam should have said no to Shanny leaving. The Browns are the bozos!

--Clements would have been committing career suicide if he would have left Aaron Rodgers and a stable franchise like Green Bay for Manziel and the stooges who run the Browns.

If the Browns actually wanted to replace Shanny then we have even bigger issues here.

A quarter of the teams in the league don't have an offensive coordinator yet.

Based on what? Things were not all rosy, that much is plain to see. Should we stick with disgruntled, in fighting just for the sake of forcing someone to stay?

Vers. You seem to enjoy calling the FO bozos, when you or anybody else for that matter knows whats going on. There was Something that happened during the season for the FO and KS to part ways. Nobody knows what it was, but it could not have been anything good. Lord knows why some have to trash the FO for trying to do the right thing and get the right people in place. It would be a real shame to let the FO work to get the ones who fit best.

No, I don't enjoy it.......but let's look back to last season and how almost everyone on the board delighted in "The Three Stooges" situation.

I suppose that was okay? LOL.......It's all a matter of perspective.

I need to add that it never ceases to amaze me how wrong the majority has been about regimes and coaches over the years.

bleed...you and others must understand, the #1 issue killing this franchise is A LACK OF CONTINUITY !

What is this, the 6th offensive coordinator in 6 seasons for these players? Six different playbooks and six different offensive systems...and you expect the Browns to win?

Jimmy Haslam ran his mouth, berating Al and Randy Lerner for the many different coaches they had before Haslam took control. Haslam talked about the importance of having continuity...BUT LOOK AT THE MAN'S RECORD!

Why does this guy have to learn every lesson the hard way?

The next OC will be Haslam's 4th in 4 seasons...and yes, he did inherit the first one.

This has to stop...

Until we get a QB, the OC will keep taking the fall.

Well, unless something happens between now and the beginning of next season that we don't foresee, the Browns will still have Mike Pettine as the Browns head coach.

We'll also have Jim O'Neil as the Browns DC. The only vacancies that we have are the OC, QB coach and WR coach. Two of those left of their own accord (Shanahan & McDaniel) and the other was fired for gross incompetence. Okay, I don't know why Loggains was fired, but that's probably not far from the truth.

I don't know what we would talk about if we had an entire coaching staff return. I guess we'd have to make something up (although some do that anyway).

It probably wasn't far from the truth at all, lol. Besides, I am sure a new coordinator would want to bring in his own skilled coaches, especially at QB.

I hate those coaches who bring in unskilled coaches.

There is turnover every year in the NFL at all coaching positions on lots of teams.

Personally, I think that we have some self-aggrandizing folks that honestly believe that replacing a few cogs on the offensive coaching staff is a total rebuild of the team.

We are a talentless team that has no talent. Everyone should be replaced at all times.

I can see it too but I'll go a bit further than that.

Shanahan was going to be gone one way or another anyways. Shanahan chose the more respectable route. Loggains didn't deserve or get that chance. McDaniel probably wasn't going to get the pink slip but asked to be let out of his contract anyway and the team obliged him.

Some would have you believe this.

Lol, I meant skilled as in skilled position(s). Haha but that was funny when I read it. Hahahha

Raiders hire Bill Musgrave as offensive coordinator.

Talk about a retread. Musgrave has been an offensive coordinator for six different teams since 1998. His named didn't even come up in rumors of who we should hire at all. Poor Raiders.

Sorry Carr... if this was a Del Rio hire, I think I take back what I said about it being a good selection for Oakland lol...

Musgrave was the Jaguars offensive coordinator when Del Rio was the coach. The best part is Del Rio also fired Musgrave as his offensive coordinator in Jacksonville.

Again. Poor Raiders.

seems like college football is becoming more attractive to coaches than the NFL. They get almost as much money and they are treated like kings. I think the craziness of NFL owners and the lack of commitment to let coaches establish themselves is hurting the desirability to coach in the NFL.

We just interviewed Mike Martz for OC. He is an OC who has sucked it up for a decade and been out of football for several years. We have truly hit rock bottom people.

Why Rock Bottom?
Martz...usually guys don't sit still - they take their philosophy and then create. How many of you young dawgs sit down and make plays - well what about somebody in the industry? Especially an excellent mind like Martz.

Question for my learned Dawgs. How many OC jobs are left out there?

How many candidates to choose from? Just our interviews? How are we rock Bottom or anywhere close.

How come when we don't have a guy signed most see it as a Black Hole with disaster written all over it. Lets get out of the Woah is us mentality, we lost an OC n his WR coach who basically used us as a stepping stone for himself. QB Coaches? I think he was fired more for his actions than job. Quite frankly QB coach is pretty over rated. Once the season starts a lot of his work is done. Unless the OC gives him more responsibilities and Shanny don't seem to be that kind of guy.

I like the idea of interviewing Martz. What if we hire him as an Offensive Consultant? Who knows.

First lets make the hire - 2. lets see how much faith the Coaches (not the owner) has in Manziel. I know one thing. Our defense is going to be AWESOME and possibly dominate games!

jmho

Razorthorns,

Mike Martz has ego bigger than most teams can handle. His biggest error in judgement is running his system regardless of talent. With that said, he is very creative in the passing game.

I wonder if Martz interviewed for the OC or QBC. Mike never did much in the run game which is why I'm thinking maybe QBC.

It appears Pettine is searching candidates who he found difficult to defend against.

It was for the OC position. Interviewing an out of work guy for the OC position who likes to throw the ball 40 times a game doesn't seem like a bright idea for a team without a QB that will need to rely on the run game.


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Ridiculous thought of the day: Johnny Manziel in Mike Martz's offense.

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The news article said we interviewed him for the OC spot. Minus a kurt warner he has been a horrible OC. I want nothing to do with him and Johnny surely doesn't fit his normal system that is for sure.

+2,pass please...

We had success with a run oriented system.

It is so Cleveland Browns to consider pass happy Mike Martz. What a joke. That is a move that WILL get pettine fired.

Martz coached one of the teams at the NFLPA game and was very animated on the sidelines... getting angry at the QBs for sucking. I was wondering why he seemed to care so much about the outcome.

Rams were pretty good, and they did run the ball too.

link

"Using this offense, the Rams set a new NFL record for total offensive yards in 2000, with an astonishing 7,335 yards (since broken by the New Orleans Saints with 7,474). Of those, 5,492 were passing yards, also a new NFL team record."

just shy of 2000 rushing yards? Yeah we wouldn't want that.

That is exactly the type of coordinator that we want. He's not bucking for a HC job, just shows up to do his. LeBeau wasn't so bad for Pitt was he?

We really have two choices....let an up-n-comer learn, or get a guy who's older who just wants to run an offense.

Personally i would take the older guy, with a young guy learning.

jmo

They may have rushed for 2000 yds but the passing attack probably opened that up for the running game.

It helps when you have Marshall Faulk too..

I'm not sure we don't have a Faulk here.. Could be Crow or West. either one had the capability..

But that aside, I don't see this as a fit either.

I like Martz, the trick for a Martz system is all in the pass protection. If they protect it is great. If they dont its criminal lol.

That's why he failed in Chicago. Long WR routes and a shaky O-line gets your QB killed. It didn't help that Cutler gave up on half of the plays too.

I believe it's all about one's opinions and perspective on the issue and I'm certainly not saying I'm right. My question concerning this situation is more of what went down to cause this situation in the first place.

I've seen one theory floated around that I just can't seem to buy into. That's the theory he planned on leaving anyway and so he left because he "hoped he'd land a better job". Now had he jumped ship and suddenly landed a HC gig or a OC position with a SB contending type team, then I may see that as plausible. But I don't see him simply jumping ship based on "hopes and dreams".

What I see as a logical answer is that he saw an environment built that prevented him from being successful. I believe a QB was forced on him he simply felt would be harmful to a winning environment and that would severely damage his reputation and career.

I believe he felt this FO was going to stick with JFF for at least next year and he felt that would be a suicidal move. Now I'm not so sure that it's Pettine or Farmer that wanted to draft Manziel or wish to stick with Manziel. I doubt it was their idea to change the uniforms either.

Could it be the man who said "It's all about marketing"?

My point is if the Browns think they'll get a better OC than Shanahan, they're wrong.

Honest question here Tab.....

Where are these great jobs that Shanahan and McDaniels stepped up to?

Now I could understand if they had some great offer waiting in the wings that gives them some huge upgrade. But that's not what I see at all.

Cleveland Browns interviewed Mike Martz, former Rams HC, for OC vacancy

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ss..._social_feature

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Looking to enhance their passing game, the Browns have interviewed former Rams head coach Mike Martz for their offensive coordinator vacancy, a league source confirmed for Northeast Ohio Media Group.

NFL Network's Ian Rapoport first reported the interview.

Martz, 63, is best known for being the offensive coordinator of "The Greatest Show on Turf,'' -- the high-powered Rams offense that won the Super Bowl after the 1999 season under head coach Dick Vermeil. The Rams' top-ranked offense scored 526 points that season, fourth-most in NFL history.

Martz took over for Vermeil in 2000 and went on to post a 56-36 record in five seasons as the Rams head coach, including 3-4 in postseason. His club went 14-2 in 2001 and lost to New England in the Super Bowl.

Martz has been out of football since he resigned as offensive coordinator of the Bears after the 2011 season for what were believed to be philosophical differences with then head coach Lovie Smith.

Martz is the second former NFL head coach who's been out of football awhile to interview for the job. The other is Chan Gailey, who's been idle since being fired by the Bears in 2012.

Martz' passing offense was 28th in his first season as Bears' coordinator, and he clashed with temperamental quarterback Jay Cutler. But he helped the Bears to a 7-3 start in 2011 before injuries to Cutler and running back Matt Forte.

A member of Martz' 1999 offensive staff, current Raiders senior offensive assistant Al Saunders, will interview with Browns general manager Ray Farmer and coach Mike Pettine for the Browns coordinator position Tuesday at the Senior Bowl in Mobile, Ala. They'll also talk to Jets assistant head coach/running backs coach Anthony Lynn for the job today.

The Browns have also interviewed Marc Trestman, Gailey, their tight ends coach Brian Angelichio, Raiders quarterbacks coach John DeFilippo and Bills assistant Jim Hostler. They had planned to interview Greg Roman (now with the Bills), Bill Callahan (now with the Redskins) and Scott Linehan (who remained in Dallas.

The Browns are also believed to have some interest in Packers offensive coordinator Tom Clements, but it remains to be seen if they will request permission from the Packers to interview him. Mike McCarthy currently calls the plays in Green Bay.

I believe a QB was forced on him he simply felt would be harmful to a winning environment and that would severely damage his reputation and career.

And just when was this QB forced on him?
After the bye week when we were 1-2? Nah.
After the Bengal game where Hoyer just started to go steadily south? Nope
After the Buffalo game where Hoyer continued his slide which was so bad that we put in Manziel with 12 minutes left to provide a spark. He did drive 80 yards for a TD and a 3 n out...Nope not even then.

Where was this forcing a QB on him. That is on par as if I'm to say. Shanny wanted to embarrass the Browns and get fired so he purposely called plays knowing we would not execute. Silly huh? of course. So is this forcing a QB on Shanny when there were plenty of opportunities to do so and it was not.

Next year? We don't know what is going on yet. We need another QB thats an obvious just by the numbers. Maybe with Hoyer possibly leaving we would have worked it out to get Cousins. Yes giving JM all the opportunity to win the starting job but have a fail safe program.

I know its your opinion but I don't see this QB thing being forced on him.

Isn't pass blocking our o-lines strength?

West coast...air coryell...similar philosophies.

We just need to stick to something that is similar to what we ran

During the draft Tab. I don't for one second believe that anyone who is a good talent evaluator would pass over Bridgewater for JFF. I don't buy into that being Farmers call. I don't buy into it being something that either Shanahan or Pettine promoted.

At first I didn't believe that. At first I saw the text to Haslam as more Farmer and Loggaines looking for permission from Haslam to move up to draft Manziel.

Later it came out that Loggaines wasn't even in the draft room. Now I don't believe my opinion is the only valid possibility. I don't have the market cornered on opinions or theories.

But JFF wasn't anything close to a possible franchise QB. By almost every measure he was a huge reach. To me we have one of to things to worry about.....

1. Either a meddling owner who is more concerned about making a splash and marketing than allowing the people he hired to do their jobs....

or.....

2. A GM who has an uncanny ability at failing miserably at evaluating the QB position.

Neither of those is a good thing.

JC,

Would it mean anything if the Browns were, again, last in hiring the OC after these other HC vacancies have been filled along with their coaching staffs? Would this indicate that the FO has developed a working environment that was not desirable? I'm just throwing this thought out there because I believe that outside of maybe the Raiders or Jags, we have the least desired FO to work for and the only cure for this team in bringing in sustainable talent is winning consistently.

I believe when you look at the turnover in the FO, HC's and OC's, we would very likely be a poor candidate for top talent in the coaching department.

The what now?

Many times teams interview coaches to see how they would handle a certain situation, but they have no intention of actually hiring the person.

I would guess they asked Martz what he would do with Manziel to compare his answer to other interviewees. I would be shocked if we hired Mike Martz. If we did I would take it as a clear sign that we are moving on from Manziel.

tbh just give us the OC for the Aggies. His resume is extremely short, but pretty darn impressive.

Ravens hired Trestman

Scratch him off the list.

If we hired Jake Spatival, I would be tempted to stop watching the Browns until everyone associated with that decision was fired.

Why? Because he is not as dreamy as Kliff Kingsbury?

Because he's a 29 year old with zero NFL experience whose resume of grooming QB's includes Brandon Weeden, Geno Smith and Johnny Manziel.

(To be fair to him, those guys performed well in college, which was his job).

Trestman going to the Ravens is interesting. Saunders, Martz, Defillipo topping my list.

And he's coached under three guys who are offensive wizards. How much impact did he really have?

I wouldn't be mad if we hired him because at least we would be thinking outside the box, but I don't see any scenario in which we would hire him.

So basically, any of the only guys left.

Farmer had a first round grade on Manziel.

Manziel's issues are upstairs.

Do any of you remember that "leaked" Patriots scouting report on Manziel? I reread it this morning. All of the bad stuff came to fruition. And most of the bad stuff had little to do with physical and mostly attitude. The thing that stuck out to me the most is Johnny is a con artist (eluded to in the report). He treats his coaches one way and everyone else another. In other words, he is great at telling people what they want to hear. That's exactly what he's done his entire first year here.

The other damning parts were his lack of work ethic and need for attention. Fast forward ... again, that's exactly what we got.

He was a hell of a gamer in college. I suspect teams that had him graded high were hoping that he was just being a college guy and that he would mature once reaching this level. I'm sure he sweet talked them as well. He is incredibly adept at handling the media and fans and I'm sure coaches. I'm sure he told them he would mature and put his college days behind him. I think Farmer bought it hook, line, and sinker.

You bring up some good points. I guess it's just a difference in our perspective. I'd rather have an unknown, but somewhat promising coach than a flameout. Many people, including you , have already made a small argument for what he has going for him (Working a lot with a little, being around offensive geniuses, etc., etc.) that I don't feel the need to type an argument during my procrastination period.

Granted, the move could also be completely horrible. It's one of those boom or busts moves, but I think that's what the Browns might need.

well, one thing I think we can say for sure, his worth ethic is not very good at all.

that can be fixed of course. he needs to apply himself and WORK. But it can be done.

Has a guy with absolutely zero NFL experience ever been given an OC job before?

j/c

Jags fill their OC role.

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Oh, I have no real expectation that he would ever be hired. This is more of me throwing it into the ether. Letting me to brag in a few years when he becomes successful

But to entertain this discussion, no. However, there have been few HC's who have became NFL HC's with no NFL experience. Why would the same logic not apply?

Scouting 101.

Evaluate the player and the person.

Johnny Manziel under no circumstance should have carried a first round grade period.

Ray Farmer has denied that Haslam made the call over and over again; that it was his call alone.

Gilbert, West and Manziel have demonstrated through their actions the same character traits.

Ray Farmer has been stubborn and arrogant about his way to build a team. His actions speak loudly as to his incompetence.

It's cool. He wouldn't have been an exciting hire....

Did any of them not end horribly?

Honestly asking...the only one I can think of is Spurrier.

Dirk Koetter

Bbbb


Wait, we finally have a GM on board who has a vision and is willing to STICK TO IT and you are unhappy. Go figure! We need some vision and plan that can be built upon through free agency, the draft and trade. Stick to a plan build toward a plan and make it work.

This jumping around with no vision or plan for the future will not work.

Putting together a winner is similar to putting together a puzzle. If you switch to different puzzle pieces from a different puzzle half way through, they will not fit. Build the framework (edges) and fill in the missing pieces for a complete picture of a winner. Stay the course and start with a championship QB.

Chip Kelly

Jimmy Johnson.

2. A GM who has an uncanny ability at failing miserably at evaluating the QB position.

Neither of those is a good thing.

So in your estimation Manziel's career is over he's a bust?

Bridgewater went from a probable overall #1 pick to 32 and that is with the entire NFL not just the Browns. I knew and I'm sure Farmer knew that the snobbery of NFL on height had JM lowered and the fact that I knew which means Farmer knew that Manziel due to age, experience (offense he ran at A&M) he was going to sit as long as we had a Bridge QB. Teddy went to a drop cause he had clearly one of the worst rehearsed workouts in the history of top rated QBs in my memory.

It doesn't mean he will bust out. Just why he dropped. Manziel? we'll find out his worth soon enough.

I can really care less what you, me Farmer and the rest of the NFL rated Manziel at. As long as he MAKES IT and becomes THE GUY! I do know last year was never to be part of the evaluation it was never the plan to play him. That is why I sort of chuckle at the FORCED onto theories.

jmho - I don't see all these expertise finalities being put up. The plan was to have him learn and compete this year.

Short list of those successful, Jimmy Johnson and Barry Switzer to extent, but that success was off Jimmy Johnson's team.

I didn't we just try that last April with the #22 pick in the draft?

No, that was bust or bust.

I won't remember. But if and when Manziel makes it hope you guys form a line and state "man I was wrong" of course all will be happy as opposed to me coming back and stating my positive hopes became a false hope and in that case there is no happiness.

Not with a definite explanation point, but I have seen nothing that gives even the slightest indication otherwise.



And who knows how much further Manziel would have fallen had we not selected him.




So he was a confirmed project at best. I agree.




Which I said meant nothing when it happened and so far that has proven to be true.



Laugh all you wish. I laugh at some of your theories too. It's all good.



Sometimes your posts confuse me. Either you feel they made a mistake and should explore trying to draft Mariota like you said in another thread, or you believe he will be the answer and give him another year.

I take it you still haven't been keeping score?



I'd love to be wrong. But from maturity to production, he'll have to grow up and do a 180 to make that happen. I wish you luck with your prediction. So we shouldn't try to move up to get Mariota then?



I'm just playin' Tab so don't take offense Bud.

yea. like you will stand in line saying everyone was right and you were wrong?

I'm just sayin...

If we judged Bridgewater off of his first 8 quarters he wouldn't be anything to write home about either.

Am I lost?
Is this a JF thread or a Browns futile attempt to land the last OC in football thread?

Well, the two may be far more related than some think.

You should have a plan. The problem with Farmer is his vision is wrong.

Musgrave

Olson

Trestman

Only browns fans could look at this list and be worried the "best candidates" are taken.

LMAO

If we had hired any of these three most would have crapped their pants trying to get to their computer to bitch about it.

some of you just wallow in misery

more related or directly related?

I believe the fact we've been through an OC every year for what, four years now? Instability at HC, GM and every other coaching position known to mankind may play a big part of it too.

So between that and being strapped with Manziel, I'd say those are the two biggest factors in having trouble finding a top candidate.

i will tell you what i think. i think if Kyle Shanahan thought johnny chuckles was a good nfl QB he would have rode him to a HC job somewhere.

After the last few months or so, this is the conclusion I have come to as well.

Misery is the comfort spot for Browns fans. They know nothing else. Latch onto anything that will allow you to stay in that miserable state.

j/c

Gentlemen, our problems may be solved. Marty Mornhinweg to the rescue, possibly.

Hopefully, Pettine wouldn't allow him to make decisions immediately following the coin toss.

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It's always good to know which people are clueless trolls.

Pettine worked with Mornhinweg in New York (the Jets).

I am hoping to see Gase on the interview list at some point. Kind of shocking that he is still out there.

Suicidal is about right. The Browns planning to stick with JJO (if that is indeed what they plan to do) is a one way ticket to nowhere. This guy will bury himself and the Browns from a PR standpoint unless he improves DRAMATICALLY over this past season. The jersey and ticket sales opportunity has sailed for Haslam. If JJO produces a season that sees the Browns win LESS than 7 games AND Haslam decides to fire Pettine and Farmer then everyone will know that Haslam knows NOTHING about the NFL game. Even worse, his words will mean NOTHING. Sadly, it will mean he learned NOTHING from his time being associated with Pittsburgh.

I don't see anything positive from JJO being installed as the starting QB for the Browns next season. But it won't surprise me if it happens. Good luck with that. LOL

I don't know about that, steve.

Teddy had a qb rating of 90.3 in his first game and a rating of 114.1 in his second game.


In games 3 and 4, he threw for over 300 yards in each game and Minnesota's offensive talent is amongst the very worst in the entire NFL.

I have the ticket, and I'm telling you........the guy was by far the class of the rookie qbs.

As long as he has nothing to do with coin tosses in overtime, why not?

Yeah, you guys are so right. Things are looking great for the Browns. Let's see:

--our two first round picks look like busts.

--we had two first round picks from two years ago bust and are not even w/the team.

--we haven't had a winning record since when....?

--our OC wanted out because our FO is so dysfunctional.

--our most talented player keeps getting suspended, misses meetings, and doesn't know the routes.

--we go through coaches like water.

--our owner is a crook.

--we have finished in last place how many times the last 10 years?

--our GM is clueless and had almost no experience w/drafting players until this year. Gee, I wonder why his first draft was such a disaster?

Want me to continue?

Or, are we just making things up and everything is perfect in Cleveland. What's that phrase you guys like to trot out while mocking those who see issues w/the team? Oh yeah............."we're finally on the right track." Never heard that one before. LOL

And you know what...........I have no issue w/you guys being positive even if there is not much be positive about, but when you dismiss valid statements out of hand by saying stupid stuff like Brown's fans just like to wallow in misery.......well.....I gotta take exception to such foolishness.

We don't like it at all. And your lame attempt to belittle people who offer an realistic evaluation of the team doesn't change things. The Browns are who we thought they were.

And they still are.

This is the first candidate that I can actually support. He isn't as good as Shanny, but he is a pretty sharp mind and has had some success.

Pettine left the Jets after the 2012 season. Mornhinweg didn't come to the Jets until 2013 season when Pettine was in Buffalo.

Update on Gase:

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Lane Adkins is reporting the Browns are close to signing John DeFilippo to the staff. Doesn't specify as QB coach or OC.


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And here's another name to the Possible Browns OC list...


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The #Browns interviewed #Rams QB coach Frank Cignetti for their vacant OC job today, source said.


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Little more on Cignetti before he was hired by the Rams.

Just Who Exactly Is Frank Cignetti, Besides Possibly The Rams; New QB Coach?



The St. Louis Rams reportedly hired a quarterbacks coach on Tuesday, choosing Rutgers' offensive coordinator Frank Cignetti. After a tough sophomore season for Sam Bradford, following his Offensive Rookie of the Year debut the season before, it's easily the most watched assistant coaching position on Jeff Fisher's staff.

Reaction so far is best described as "huh?" given that Cignetti was pretty far off the radar as far as the public knew.

Two other names had been mentioned recently as candidates for the Rams quarterbacks coaching job. Alex Van Pelt, the Buccaneers former QB coach, and Bart Andrus, the quarterbacks coach who worked with Fisher early in the careers of Steve McNair and Vince Young.

If in fact, Marvez' report is correct, then Cignetti must have some pretty solid recommendations to beat out two guys with established NFL bona fides, especially one that worked directly with Fisher's two most high profile quarterbacks from his Tennessee days.

Rutgers fans think fairly well of Cignetti. I turned to On The Banks, SB Nation's Scarlet Knights community, for more insight.

From a discussion about who should be their next head coach:

Frank Cignetti - Current Rutgers offensive coordinator is well-liked, which will at least warrant an interview in the name of continuity. Paul Zeise claimed that he had a chance at the Pitt job last year, but lost out due to the perception that he is a bit too ambitious and quick to interview for new jobs. Still, Cignetti proved to be a miracle worker at Rutgers in 2011; think about it like this. If Greg Schiano never hired Cignetti, he'd be closer to out of a job at Rutgers today than the head guy in charge down in Tampa. The best reason to hire Cignetti? Pitt doesn't seem to have a clue what they are doing, and they didn't want him, so clearly there must be some upside here.

From a Nov. 2011 assessmentof the coaching staff (Cignetti wasn't working with elite QB talent during his stint at Rutgers):

Frank Cignetti - this was pretty much night and day from 2010 and the unending nightmare of Kirk Ciarrocca's tenure. Is Cignetti a perfect play caller? Of course not, but he is a genuine, qualified DI offensive coordinator, who stemmed the bleeding and made Rutgers relevant again. Now the challenge will to build on this year, and bring to light a truly dynamic attack next season. More of his personnel will be in place, with the players having another year to learn his scheme, but Cigs will have to make everything work absent the performance of Mohamed Sanu. It's on Cignetti's shoulders to develop one of Gary Nova or Chas Dodd into a credible starter. Let's hope a suitor with deep pockets doesn't come calling, or that Cignetti is tired of moving around for a while.

Another thing that's clear is Cignetti runs a conservative, ball-control offense, or at least he did at Rutgers. He's not running the offense in St. Louis, but he working for an offensive coordinator who is on the record as stating a preference for the running game and making the play action a big part of the offensive game plan.

At Rutgers, Cignetti worked with the quarterbacks, but he also ran the entire offense, something else to consider when looking at his track record there.

Yeah, you guys are right. We're just "wallowing" in misery. Things are sunny and bright. Not having an Oc in place is fine. We don't need one. Just let Pettine run the offense. He's such a GREAT coach he can do all things. His defense was so perfect last year he can forget about it and just run the offense....

I read they interviewed Mike Martz today. He would be perfect for this team and fan base. Shotgun every down. Throw 40+ times evrery game. Greatest show on turf right here in Cleveland. All we'd need is Hoyer back under center and we're SAVED! *snicker*

hell i am starting to wonder why they havent called me in for an interview, damn sure interviewing everyone else lol.

This is what we did last year as well. We hired Loggains to the staff and if we didn't get the offensive coordinator we wanted he was to become the guy.

I think the misery is bought on by fans who simply what to feel sorry for themselves.

Fans listen to the media tell them it is a cluster F because Browns hiring a new OC after one year. Tell me this, why is it different in Baltimore when they hired 4 in four years?

Cam Cameron
Jim Caldwell
Gary Kubiak
Marc Trestman

There's a difference between losing a guy that gets hired to a head coaching gig, and driving an OC out of town through stupidity and interference.

Feel sorry for myself? Hell no. I LOVE how the Browns have played since the return. It's been PERFECT. I wouldn't change ONE THING. Seeing the team I love get bitch slapped by every team in the league for 15 years has been joyous. You seem to really enjoy it. Losing all the time makes you feel warm and fuzzy, right? Why would I want to deprive you of that feeling of SUCK you enjoy so fondly? Here's hoping and praying that the Browns continue the Factory of Sadness for another 100 years. Enjoy!

Cam Cameron...I guess he walked on his own in mid season for that head coach position. Then Ravens hired three fired HCs who did well with their former team.

If I'm not mistaken, we went through this whole song and dance last year. Pettine was a joke and Shanahan is idiot! Oh wait, everyone wasn't slicing wrists after the hire.

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he was the guy i wanted but makes it interesting that they would cancel. Did they find their guy in Martz or DeFillipo?

Explain why the media isn't attacking Denver harder than the Browns? After all they were in the PLAYOFFS two years in a row. Talk about loosing continuity ownership there looks much smarter. Heaven for bid Browns lost an offensive coordinator.

Still sounds like fans are making a mountain out of a mole hill.

I just saw that too. I thought maybe Cignetti. He fits the bill of out-of-box thinking. Fisher hired him out of no where a couple years ago.

Sounds like DeFilippo is on the staff for sure.

Because Denver agreeing to part ways with a coach people on this board don't care about..

Versus..

Cleveland agreeing to part ways with a coach people on this board think is great...

If we had "mutually parted ways" with Jim O'Neil no one would even bat an eye.. But let a coach (that didn't want to be here) go that people like? Wel that's just silly.. Might as well fire everyone!

j/c

I'm kind of surprised we haven't hired anyone yet. It has made me wonder if we're looking at one of the playoff teams guys. I could only come up with 2 guys - Clyde Christensen from Indy (but we can interview him now and no rumors I've seen yet) or Tom Cable (he's also assistant HC, so I'm not sure we could get him). There's always Brian Daboll (yes, I'm kidding)

j/c

Cross Marty Mornhinweg off the list per Nate Ulrich of the ABJ.

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They have their guy then. With defillipo talking contract with them, looks like he is most likely our new OC. Hope we can add a vet coach to go with him, Saunders or Martz if he is indeed the guy.

It sounds like we got our guy, we just don't know who it is yet.

The guys we've interviewed for the offensive coordinator position (who haven't taken other jobs) are:

John DeFilippo
Mike Martz
Brian Angelichio
Frank Cignetti
Jim Hostler
Anthony Lynn

Names that have been linked to us, but have not interviewed (to our knowledge):

Charlie Weis
Tom Clements
Matt Cavanaugh

Canceled interviews:

Al Saunders
Marty Mornhinweg

Guys we were interested in that took other jobs:

Greg Roman
Bill Callahan
Marc Trestman
Scott Linehan
Chan Gailey

I think we will know who our guy is before the end of tomorrow.

I don't see us hiring Saunders without an interview and I don't see Martz coming back to the league to be a QB coach.

My prediction is DeFilippo as our offensive coordinator and Frank Cignetti as our QB coach.

Browns GM Ray Farmer responds lamely to Kyle Shanahan exodus

Are you kidding me?: Some weird stuff came out of the mouth of Browns General Manager Ray Farmer at the Senior Bowl workouts in Mobile, AL, on Tuesday.

Specifically on the issue of the resignation of offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan, Farmer demonstrated a lack of accountability and leadership.

Shanahan was given a release from his contract with two years remaining after he unloaded to owner Jimmy Haslam on January 8. Amid the reported grievances that Shanahan spilled on Haslam were interference from the front office and allegations of inappropriate texting during games from team employees.

The NFL is investigating a report by Cleveland.com that texts from a high-level Browns’ personnel executive to an employee on the Browns’ sideline during games violated league rules.

Farmer’s response to these allegations, as reported by Tom Reed of Northeast Ohio Media Group and Zac Jackson of Fox Sports Ohio, was lame.

"In every (building) I've been in, with the Atlanta Falcons, the Kansas City Chiefs and the Cleveland Browns -- the teams I've been associated with -- there's always been a natural friction between front office and the coaches.

“That's just how it is. Sometimes the personnel guys want Player A and the coaches want Player B. The teams that are really, really good, they work through those things. Sometimes, you have to have the hard conversations. Sometimes you look guys in the eye and you argue and you yell, but you're trying to get it right. You're trying to come up with the right answers."

Really?

These disagreements were not the ones over roster spots that naturally spring up over the course of a season. Coaches don’t ask out of their contracts and forfeit their salaries as a result of those typical tugs of war.

Further, Farmer’s past places of employ are not the best examples of how championship teams should be built. Farmer broke in as a scout with the Atlanta Falcons in 2002. In Farmer’s four seasons in Atlanta, the Falcons were 33-30-1 and had a 2-2 record in the postseason. He moved on to Kansas City in 2006 as director of pro personnel. In Farmer’s seven seasons with the Chiefs, the team had a record of 38-74 with two losses in wild-card playoff games.

So if “natural friction” between front office and the coaches was commonplace in those places, it probably should not be emulated.

Further, the point of jettisoning former CEO Joe Banner and GM Mike Lombardi was to eradicate dysfunction and get the front office and the coaching staff on the same page. Obviously, that mission was not accomplished.

The disagreements about personnel, according to sources, included use of defensive players early in the season and pressure to play rookie quarterback Johnny Manziel throughout the year.

"The whole Shanahan thing is what it is,” the news organizations quoted Farmer as saying. “At the end of the day we believe (Mike) Pettine, the coaching staff, is going to find a better guy that's going to move us in a direction we want to go."

The search goes on: Farmer’s last statement strains credulity.

Pettine’s search for a successor to Shanahan has been wide, which is fine, but a bit bizarre.

Three candidates linked to the Browns have been out of the NFL for four years (Charlie Weis), three years (Mike Martz) and two years (Chan Gailey).

Gailey reportedly agreed to join the New York Jets on Tuesday. Thus, he follows Greg Roman (Bills), Bill Callahan (Redskins) and Marc Trestman (Ravens) as prospective Browns candidates to sign elsewhere.

Reports are that Pettine, while in Mobile, will interview Anthony Lynn, former assistant head coach/running backs coach of the Jets; John DeFilippo, Raiders QB coach, whom Pettine interviewed a year ago; and Marty Mornhinweg, former Jets offensive coordinator.

Pettine also has reportedly interviewed former Buffalo assistant Mike Hostler, Rams QB coach Frank Cignetti and Browns tight ends coach Brian Angelichio.

Meanwhile, two former Browns head coach candidates with offensive backgrounds have not been on the long list of coordinator candidates. They are Doug Marrone, the former Buffalo head coach who joined the Jacksonville Jaguars on Tuesday; and Adam Gase, the former Denver coordinator who is interviewing with other teams.

Reconsidering the flow chart: When Haslam fired Banner and Lombardi in February of 2014, he said he did it to “streamline” the organization. As CEO, Banner was the immediate supervisor to whom football and business operations reported.

Haslam’s reorganization resulted in a flow chart that called for Pettine, Farmer and President Alec Scheiner to report directly to Haslam.

That might work if Haslam maintained office hours all the time in Browns headquarters. But Haslam spent approximately one work day a week in the team’s headquarters. He also attended every game at home and on the road. The bulk of Haslam’s work week was devoted to his Pilot Flying J company based in Knoxville, TN.

It’s possible under Haslam’s reorganization that he might not have been aware of the extent of the friction between Farmer, the coaching staff and Scheiner until Shanahan’s exit meeting. But that’s hard to believe.

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Tony Grossi strikes again.
I don't know what the word "credulity" means,but,"it is what it is" might just be the most stated phrase in the football world.Like the F word it has many meanings.
Re reading this article,there's so much crap that I've lost interest and quite frankly it really doesn't deserve the time or energy to comment.

cfrs, hiring Cignetti would be a lateral move since he is the QB coach on the Rams. Frank did some good things in St. Louis. When Bradford went down, he made that offense respectable with two backup QBs Shaun Hill and Austin Davis. Davis, third string, started several games.

Only thing I question about Cignetti is why Fisher is not considering for his OC.

j/c

Mary Kay tweeted Browns are not interviewing Marty Mornhinweg per league sources. How much credibility is that is unknown.

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The more I hear Farmer talk, the more discouraged I become.

credulity
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A disposition to believe too readily.

Anyway, if you want to be an executive for any organization, be it a fortune 500 or an NFL team, you can't throw former employees under a bus. It's not professional.

He didn't throw Shanahan under the bus and that, in the long run is probably a good thing. Grossi doesn't like it so for him, that means the story isn't there unless he makes it up.

Remember, he's the guy that predicted that Bill Cowher would be our head coach when (I think it was) when it looked like RAC would be fired.

I don't think his response was lame at all. I think he is 100% correct. The issue is HOW MUCH friction was there between the departments and what larger problems it may have created at the office. We'll probably never know. Sorry, but any of you who don't think there are heated debates between the FO and coaches on players they like/dislike, you're pretty naïve. And not just in the draft room, but in the months leading up to the draft as well. The NFL is ego-central. From the owner all the way down to the ball boy. Everyone wants their voiced heard for future jobs that are relatively scarce compared to other industries. I mean, geez, do you guys read the pissing matches that go on here between wanna be GMs, highschool/Div. 12 collegiate football players, and pop warner coaches about how much they know about what is going on and what to do? Amplify that with people that have ACTUALLY been in the NFL for years and equate their grossly overpaid salaries to real job legitimacy and you have a recipe for the biggest testosterone battles ever known to man.

That is why I like a very divided line between department responsibilities. The GM and scouts make all final decisions about FAs,draft picks, etc. No interference except if asked for counsel by the GM. And that advice should be asked of ONLY to the HC. The minute coordinators get involved is the minute you muddy the waters on the hierarchy.

Same with the coaches. They should get zero interference from outside parties on who starts, who is inactive, their weekly game plan, etc. That includes these rumors about texting down to the field. If that happened, I'm not surprised coaches were upset. They are being undermined.

We haven't had any legitimate separation about these roles (IMO) since I can remember and I feel it is a big reason for much of the problems we've faced from the past regimes.

I would say the only time you bring all the parties together (meaning position coaches as well) is when finalizing the 53 man roster. And at that point, usually the GM should lean heavily on the coaches opinions of who makes the team, but ultimately it should be the GM final decision. He is charged with bringing in, and keeping, talent. But a good GM will know when to defer to the HC and coordinator requests.

*Speculation* I do think Shanahan wanted a larger voice in personnel, much like what he saw his father possess in Washington (another organizational fiasco) and he didn't really like Manziel. Shanahan may also end up being right about Manziel in the end. I also think Shanahan knows he is a hot commodity in the NFL circles and tried to leverage that towards Browns decisions..it didn't work. I also think there was some truth to the texting debacle and I think that was the last straw. Shanahan's opinion wasn't being considered and then he was being told what to do with his scheme, players, whatever. Relationship broken. In a world where you live and die by the QB performance, Shanahan didn't want to risk his future with Johnny Manziel. He clearly has taken the safe route with Matt Ryan and thinks it will catapult him to a HC position before Manziel will*speculation complete*

Guys, I think there is a larger problem here and it is not the relationship between Shanahan and the FO. It's Shanahan and his confidence in Manziel. Honestly, if Shanahan truly thought Manziel was the next franchise QB, attaching himself to Manziel, a untamable, undersized project QB would have been the best thing for his career, regardless if there was any friction like it's being alluded....Teams would be lining up for him like they were Adam Gase one year ago...or Dan Quinn-esque (although a DC) these past two years. But he didn't. He bailed, resigned, walked-outs, asked for release, whatever. He's gone and I think Manziel is the problem more so than anything else. JMO.

Back to Grossi...I've liked much of what Tony has written since joining ESPNCleveland but this rant just looks like a journalist who is mad he's not able to get much information on what really happened. As Farmer has said many times, he doesn't operate through the media. Grossi should realize that by now. Go try and find another source, Tony.

Cleveland Browns general manager Ray Farmer says friction between coaches and front office is 'natural'

January 20, 2015 at 10:54 PM

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MOBILE, Alabama – Browns general manager Ray Farmer said it's natural for friction to exist between coaching staffs and front offices and "really, really good teams . . . work through those things."

Such friction, however, was one of the major reasons former Browns offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan wanted out of his contact with the club on Jan. 8, sources told cleveland.com.

Speaking publicly for the first time since the franchise allowed Shanahan to walk away with two years remaining on his deal, Farmer would not reveal his personal feelings about the offensive coordinator's action. Shanahan is set to join the Falcons in the same role.

But Farmer, who's worked in three NFL organizations, said disagreements between coaches and front-office members aren't uncommon.

"In every (building) I've been in, with the Atlanta Falcons, the Kansas City Chiefs and the Cleveland Browns -- the teams I've been associated with -- there's always been a natural friction between front office and the coaches," said Farmer on Tuesday after a Senior Bowl practice.

"That's just how it is. Sometimes the personnel guys want Player A and the coaches want Player B. The teams that are really, really good, they work through those things. Sometimes, you have to have the hard conversations. Sometimes you look guys in the eye and you argue and you yell, but you're trying to get it right. You're trying to come up with the right answers."

Sources told cleveland.com the biggest problem in Shanahan's eye was that the personnel side and coaches aren't united on some key issues. One source said some coaches became upset when a high-ranking personnel member texted from the press box to the sidelines about play calls. That revelation sparked a league investigation into the calls.

The coaches, sources said, also might have felt pressure to start Johnny Manziel against the Bengals on Dec. 14 with the playoffs on the line.

Beyond the Shanahan resignation, the Browns fired quarterbacks coach Dowell Loggains, while receivers coach and close Shanahan friend, Mike McDaniel resigned.

Farmer wouldn't say if he felt disappointed that Shanahan orchestrated his departure from a team that serious concerns at quarterback and in the passing game.

"Again, my personal feelings about how people do what they do is just that, it's personal," he said. "For me, I look at all this stuff as it's all a business."

The Browns could have forced Shanahan to honor the final two years of his contract, but chose to set him free, a decision that's drawn criticism in some quarters. Farmer said questions about that decision are better suited for coach Mike Pettine.

"End of the day my role is to try and find players, keep trying to add guys to this roster," Farmer said. "The whole Shanahan thing is what it is. At the end of the day we believe Pettine, the coaching staff, is going to find a better guy that's going to move us in a direction we want to go."

Pettine was not spotted at either practice Tuesday. The Browns are in the process of trying to fill the vacant coordinator's position.

Farmer said the discussion of what the Browns will do at quarterback next season remains "ongoing." Manziel led the Browns to just three points in six quarters as a starter before suffering a hamstring injury Dec. 21 against the Panthers. Brian Hoyer, who started the first 13 games, can become an unrestricted free agent on March 10.

"I don't think that conversation has ever stopped," Farmer said. "I don't think that conversation is ever going to stop. I think it's a constant evaluation of who's doing what, how guys are practicing, how guys are performing, how guys are doing in everything -- meetings, preparation, etc."

". . . My whole goal in this is to drive competition. I don't care if you have Brett Favre, you should try to get Aaron Rodgers. I know the quarterback is always the hot topic but (ultimately) you want a good enough team that you're constantly bringing in players trying to beat established players out."

Farmer said he hasn't had much discussion with receiver Josh Gordon, who the club suspended for the final game for missing a team walk-thru. The Browns must make a decision on the talented, but troubled receiver who missed the first 10 games due to a league-imposed drug ban. Several weeks ago, Farmer didn't sound overly optimistic about his return.

"It's the offseason and we can only have so much communication and contact with those (players)," Farmer said Tuesday when asked about Gordon. "When those things present themselves, we'll get into them. Those guys get their downtime. They get a chance to step away from the game, assess themselves, assess their situations and when the time is right for those conversations, we'll have them."

I usually do, I don't go out of my way but the big ones I will. But not when its still in question - for instance you might think I should man up and declare Lava man to be a bum. I still don't think he was. Getting a well payed FA contract and not being a fan but the few times I saw the Redskins he was getting kudos and not fingers pointed at him.

Robo yes, DV yes, KW2 yes, BE yes, Marecic yes, all guys I defended as a Brown and by the end of their stay here realized my hopes for their success was not going to happen.

Pit..no I'm not taking count. Although a couple I might remember. But I don't think you'll ever catch me stating - wasn't it you that said so n so. Hey if we were experts and knew it all we'd be making good money in the NFL!

Oh so we should be coming to a close on our search. So I see Trestman was all wrong for the Browns but a good move for the Ravens???

Redskins free agency grades: As, Bs and Cs

On Lauvao:

“This is an obscene amount of money for someone who should be a reserve lineman. Shawn Lauvao has played three full or near-full seasons in the NFL. He was mediocre in 2011 and 2012, but was downright awful this past year. Perhaps that was because of an ankle injury that knocked him out for the first few games, but the fact remains that Washington is paying him way too much money. Even half of this contract would have been excessive.”

Talk about buyer's remorse. Upon being hired, head coach Jay Gruden indicated he wanted to get bigger along the offensive line. In turn, the team went out and brought Shawn Lauvao aboard with a four-year, $17 million deal.


just some things i been reading about lava at the end of the season.

I knew I was going to get something from somebody's published assessment - just going by what I saw all be it a game or two.

Btw...the way I read that it was an assessment of the 2013 season. What happened to 2014?

That still doesn't have me going oh I was wrong about him. He was so terrible and yet he was not demoted. This is on two teams that he was on. A Bum sinks. Its not like there is this big shortage of OGs in the NFL. So again somebody like LAVA you give me a NOBODY's assessment of him. I give you the fact he is still a STARTER in the NFL. Not in the NFL but a STARTER. My post does not change. He's not a bum.

Not once am I stating remorse that he's gone and Greco stinks. Greco has proven himself here. Just don't make Lava a bum. I think he's going into his 7th season. As stated I owned up not as a point of keeping score. But usually in a post about the person, I'll say something like Yeah I really pimped this guy but as it turned out he wasn't worth anything or I was wrong. More than most. btw I cannot remember you ever claiming your opinion was wrong

Now lets get back to OC's. What teams are still searching? Was Gase let go from the Broncos? Do they still need an OC?

If we are it. Who is left to interview. I know Saunders was to be interviewed in Alabama at the Sr. Bowl.

Lets get it on.

I think DeFillipo in some capacity is coming here.

jmho

Farmer knows that Haslam is the boss and he already plays politics with the coaching staff to look good in front of Haslam. Farmer started a blame game because his two 1st rounders barely saw the field and when they did, they were crap. He was probably in Haslam's ears about it all game long during games.

Of course, the bigger problem in this structure is Haslam. This FO-coaching friction will always be there as long as he's the boss. His FO and coaching staff become his little children and they start finger pointing and blame gaming as soon as some sort of problem crops up. These comments all but prove that Farmer is a bigger hypocrite than Pettine. I respect Pettine for not playing the same way. At least he seems to have some backbone left

It's a mess.

Its like we got a room full of writers and we are trying to make story lines for the Soap Opera. As long as you don't believe what you just made up as fact. I'm ok, its opinion. The fact you did state. Was yes, Farmer KNOWS Haslam is the owner/boss. The rest was made up.

jmho

Non, no, no

Any OC we look at is a bum , unless of course that person gets hired elsewhere then he is the one we let get away.

Musgrave, Olson and Trestman... noted by la Canfora as great candidates... and the OC pool is drying up so by extension we let these great guys get away... like Trestman who was a train wreack by so many ion thsi board when it was thought he would come here... not a word about going to Balt. ,.... I wonder why.

And yes wallow in misery... lol No we are wallowing and then go on to give an extensive list of all the thngs done wrong in the past... living in the past... isnt that a good part of wallowing? I do it at times as well.. I am still pissed we didnt draft Loadholt.

Hey, I liked Shanny... wish he could have stayed here for two more years... he is gone, not sure anyone we get will be better or as good... only time will tell, but I can not let future decisions rest on past errors... there is no causual relationship here....

Yes, you keep an eye on the past, but you dont live it.

Let your history be a part of your destiny not a dictator of it

That'sy choice... others can chose differently.

Well..... Tony Grossi reporting:

Source confirms #Brown's hiring John DeFilippo as OC.

Tony's Tweet

And, Ian Rapoport:

The #Browns are hiring as OC ex-#Raiders QB coach John DeFilippo, source confirms the @alexmarvez report. His work with Derek Carr was noted

Ian's Tweet

Maybe the Rams are letting him out of his contract because they are going to let their new offensive coordinator bring in his own guy? They could have blocked him from interviewing for us if they really wanted to. Anything below head coach is considered a lateral move by the NFL.

I don't care what he says, I care what he does. He had a horrible first draft (albeit only one year). His free agent signings (both undrafted and veteran) were pretty good.

Wow this is an exciting hire!! lol Probably their last option. Not that it will make any difference anyway.

yeah Martz, Musgrave, Olson or Trestman would have been so much better choices.

If this is the guy that Pettine wants, good.

I have more confidence in Pettine's judgement than those running this franchise.

Actually I believe it was their first option. Although I think certain candidates became available not before known.

But DeFillipo was a preference of Pettine last year. We can assume he wanted him here now.

jmho

hummmm wasn't it the ones running the franchise that hired Pettine?

No. It was Banner and Lombardi.

I think they were relieved of duty before they were fired and Haslem had a huge hand in picking Pettine as our HC ... JMHO

I was joking, but we know for a fact that Banner hired Pettine.

At least he made one good move on his way out

Can we please set aside the ludicrous comments about "dysfunctionality" ...

By Conor Orr
Around The NFL Writer
Published: Jan. 21, 2015 at 07:58 a.m. Updated: Jan. 21, 2015 at 08:11 a.m.
Ray Farmer wants you to know that all is well in Cleveland.

The Browns' general manager says he's seen friction between coaches and front office members at every stop in his career, and that the ability to overcome differences is what separates good teams.


Amid the fallout of a contentious departure by Kyle Shanahan, the Browns are currently working on the healing process.

"That's just how it is," Farmer said, via Cleveland.com. "Sometimes the personnel guys want Player A and the coaches want Player B. The teams that are really, really good, they work through those things. Sometimes, you have to have the hard conversations. Sometimes you look guys in the eye and you argue and you yell, but you're trying to get it right. You're trying to come up with the right answers."

Of course, the Browns aren't exactly getting the benefit of the doubt here. After rumors surfaced that front office members were texting coaches during games about play calls, it's easy to see why the search for a new offensive coordinator has taken on a bit of a wayward feel.

Combined with the fact that Johnny Manziel is not exactly an enticing entity to work with at this point, and you have a very interesting set of circumstances for these coaches to overcome friction.

Is it possible? Sure. Is it likely? Maybe not at this point.