DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Would this team be better with or without Gordon/Manziel/Gilbert?

They look wasted.

I wouldn't necessarily take it on faith that Gordon has abandoned his stoner friends, just because he likes drinking with Manziel. I also wouldn't necessarily assume that Johnny and his friends are strangers to the chronic. Its not a zero-sum proposition.





I don't even know what that means. I wasn't peeing on anything, just posting an observation based on what you posted. I tried to couch it politely by saying "you seem to blame ...", but you're pretty quick to take offense, imo.

How is hanging out with Johnny Owl Eyes a technical upgrade?

well maybe he will not do pot anymore.



thats a upgrade right????

Completely agree with Swish and tab. As long as Johnny didn't bring any $20 bills, I'd have to say I'm glad he's got Josh there with him. How many people on here have said Gordon needs new friends, now he is hanging out with new people and the media wants to bash it. Hmm. Pretty lame if you ask me.

Time will tell

so far manziel and his friends, haven't heard a run in with gordon's kryptonite: weed.

so its an upgrade.

I have defended Manziel, but I am really getting the feeling that he has a serious alcohol problem.

It's one thing to drink a bit to have a good time and it's another thing for it to start to take control of your life.

If these guys were winning(and they still might) no one would care about their partying. The partying has been going on forever. Remember Joe Namath, Ken Stabler, Sonny Jurgensen and even Bobby Layne in the 50's just to name a few. Difference is those guys won. That's the bottom line with most.

i'm concerned too.

but its the offseason. these guys are on vacation.

man when i was on leave, i can't tell you how stupid trashed i got. it was crazy. but when it was time to go back to work, i had to lay it off.

so this is manziel's first offseason. lets see what happens come OTA's, training camp.

gordon on the other hand. he's walking on egg shells. he knows he can't even get threatened with someone calling the cops or whatever sympathy the coaches and FO was gonna give him goes out the window.

he needs to stay away from weed. and he needs to make sure ANYBODY but him is driving.

if he can survive just one offseason without incident, then who knows, he MIGHT just get it.

i'm expecting the worst, hoping for the best.

i get that. but its not like manziel started the entire season TO win.

lets see if they can make it through the offseason without embarassing themselves.

Gilbert I would hang onto Gordon and JF would get the Ax.

Gordon has some trade value and JF none at all so I just cut him...

If he were serious about his craft he would be in Cleveland working on his game, instead he is in South Beach followed by Aspen doing what he came here for partying.

The message IMO needs to be clear if your here for the party the party is OVER. It's about football and being the best anything else get the hell out.

We got picks for Colt McCoy. We could definitely get picks for Manziel.

Take what you can get and move on. He is a loser and this franchise has had enough of those over the years. If he was really interested in improving he would be putting in the work other franchises are watching and they wouldn't give up anything for him, or at least I wouldn't.

What a waste......................

If that is the case, then can't the Browns step in? Might be a good time to nip this in the bud...not sure how you go about it though...

Substance Policy

Unless Manziel shows up drunk to a team function I don't see how any of this is provable.

I was thinking missing meetings due to partying the night before...I agree though I have no clue as to how you go about this...

He was late to treatment. Gordon missed a walkthrough. Neither are huge offenses, it is just that guys that committed them that make it a big deal.

I can't prove it. I think I was clear about that. I thought I said........"I get the feeling..." or something like that.

Not sure how long you have been around the boards, but how many times over the years have I been wrong about stuff like that?

I am not basing my opinion because I saw the bottles in that photo. It's a culmination of things. There is a ton of isolated incidents that point in that direction.

I think the biggest thing that makes me think he might have a problem is that he makes comments about becoming more serious and the very next night he is out on the town. He has to know that every person w/a cell phone is gunning to take his picture, yet he can't seem to stop himself.

I have some first-hand and a ton of second-hand experience on how alcoholics behave. I am seeing a pattern w/the kid.

I could be wrong. It's only speculation. We'll see what transpires.

I don't know what you are responding to, but it seems pretty reckless to speculate on whether or not someone is an alcoholic based on what the media has found out.

LOL..........reckless speculation on a message board. That would be a first.

Almost two months.

Way to go, Johnny.



I can't say whether or not he has a drinking problem. But he certainly has a problem with common sense and/or intelligence.



Staggers the imagination.

The mind sees what it wishes to see.

Does he know how to enjoy life outside of football without alcohol? I no longer think so. Its a real issue for a lot of folks from highschool to the pros and beyond.

unless we re-sign Hoyer it appears JM will be the King of the Hill and somebody will have to knock him off of the hill.

what if we do resign hoyer? how do you see that shaking out?

if we resign hoyer, i think we draft winston or mariota if by god's grace they fall to us at 12.

to me that would mean they have zero faith in manziel.

Any other QB/wr combo going toaspen we would be like, yea thats a great bonding experience. Hope it transfers to the field. With these two, its great they go to party in a state where marijuana is legal lol. I worry about both.

On the flip side, Johnny has the talent to be a really good QB in this league. He got his feet wet this year and struggled and that was probably the best thing for him. The doubters will break u or motivate you. This was really big for his future. Can he come back and put in the time required and do the things that are required for the position.

Can he come back and put in the time required and do the things that are required for the position.

for our sake i hope so. if he doesn't put the time in this year though, i doubt he will ever get it.

He actually doesn't, which is why drafting him in the first was a massive blunder.

I can't think of a single elite trait he possesses at the NFL level. He's undersized, inaccurate, can't read a defense, constantly has happy feet and poor mechanics, throws ducks unless conditions are perfect, isn't very bright, etc., etc. He was an uphill climb from day one, and should have never been picked before the 3rd-4th round.

Sadly, I think you may be right. I didn't want us to draft Jm but when we did I got behind him 100%. I still hope he will become a good qb but I have my doubts.

that's exactly how i would like to see it. is this years FA really any better than hoyer anyway? i really want to see him back and have the new QB coach work on some of the fundamentals that put him in his slump. something happened to him mentally that can be fixed. other than that i truely believe he's a winner.

Agreed. Bh's best chance for success is to re-sign with us. It might be our best chance too until we can get someone better.

He is a guy. He isnt going to win you any games and the best you can hope for is he doesnt lose them for you. Backup at best.

Him deteriorating just didn't make much sense

i agree with that. that's why i say it was mental for what ever reason, and there's quite a few reasons to choose from. if he had it going before there's no reason to doubt that he couldn't get it back.
thanks for the response.

Perfectly said imho

It was perfect except for the fact, he has a strong arm, tremendous mobility, had the highest completion percentage of any QB drafted last year when throwing from the pocket and he is really good when outside the pocket throwing on the run. Other than those silly little things, it was a flawless post by PDR.