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does his family make pickles? If so, I already hate him.
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I am not a Quinn fan because I think he was over-valued due to where he played and who he played under. I think he has some major accuracy issues, struggles against better competition (USC, Mich, OSU) and his stats were inflated due to playing against the armed forces teams. I think in time he can develop into a solid starter and I hope I am wrong, but my biggest gripe with it is that I feel like with a rookie QB we are saying next year, I want to win this year.
any one would struggle when ur offensive line cant block anyone, ur receivers are slow and drop some passes, and u dont have a running game. wow reminds me of cleveland.
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Mensa claims to know Charlie so that might explain that.
No I didn't, that's others saying that since I don't like the Quinn pick. They think that the only reason I must not like the Quinn pick is because I know Charlie and some have accused me of being Charlie.
I do not like the Quinn pick for the same reasons the Cowboys didn't want to pick him at #22. The Cowboys did not like his accuracy problems and the Cowboys believe his accuracy problems can not be fixed.
Quinn's senior year completion % in big games
50% vs Michigan
48% vs USC
42% vs LSU
Do 4 year starters taken in the 1st round fail? Yes. Ever heard of another 1st round QB that started 4 years that Phil Savage was part of drafting. His name was Kyle Boller. Wow, how that pick did wonders for the Ravens.
I thought we gave up way too much for Quinn.
We used a 2nd round pick and a 1st round pick on him.
The Cowboys don't think he's worth the #22 pick and passed on him. The Dolphins thought so little of him that they drafted a Punt Returner instead of him at #9.
Jimmy Johnson former coach of the Cowboys had this to say of Quinn.
"It looks to me like Quinn's maxed out his ability, or close to it."
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/wr...ction=si_latest
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If Troy Smith played for Notre Dame would Notre Dame had a better or worse record?
If Brady Quinn played for Ohio State would Ohio State had a better or worse record?
I'll tell you right now OSU would have lost to Michigan if Quinn was the QB.
I do not see Quinn's career being any better than Vinny Testaverde. I hope I'm wrong for the Browns sake, but I just don't see it, like most of the other NFL teams that passed on him didn't see it.
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I am not a Quinn fan because I think he was over-valued due to where he played and who he played under. I think he has some major accuracy issues, struggles against better competition (USC, Mich, OSU) and his stats were inflated due to playing against the armed forces teams. I think in time he can develop into a solid starter and I hope I am wrong, but my biggest gripe with it is that I feel like with a rookie QB we are saying next year, I want to win this year.
any one would struggle when ur offensive line cant block anyone, ur receivers are slow and drop some passes, and u dont have a running game. wow reminds me of cleveland.
Yea, really. He's already gone through these things, and you saw how good he was with those crappy intangibles. 
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Of the last 10 4 year starters to be drafted... 7 are currently starting QB's- Peyton Manning, Donovan McNabb, Chad Pennington, Carson Palmer, Phillip Rivers, Jason Campbell, and Jay Cutler. The 3 who are not starting- Kyle Boller lost starting job because of performance (But was still 18-16 as a starter with more TD passes *36* than INT's *34*. I'll give you that one. Daunte Culpepper lost his job due to injury. And Cade McNown- The only one that is fair to lable as a bust. Of the 10 for year starters.... 5 have become pro-bowlers... Culpepper, McNabb, Manning, Palmer, and Rivers 2 have won NFL passing titles... Manning and Pennington 2 have been to a SuperBowl, with one winning... McNabb (lost), Manning (won). So... what does history really tell us about BQ? 
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Of the last 10 4 year starters to be drafted...
7 are currently starting QB's- Peyton Manning, Donovan McNabb, Chad Pennington, Carson Palmer, Phillip Rivers, Jason Campbell, and Jay Cutler.
The 3 who are not starting- Kyle Boller lost starting job because of performance (But was still 18-16 as a starter with more TD passes *36* than INT's *34*. I'll give you that one. Daunte Culpepper lost his job due to injury. And Cade McNown- The only one that is fair to lable as a bust.
Of the 10 for year starters....
5 have become pro-bowlers... Culpepper, McNabb, Manning, Palmer, and Rivers
2 have won NFL passing titles... Manning and Pennington
2 have been to a SuperBowl, with one winning... McNabb (lost), Manning (won).
So... what does history really tell us about BQ?
Frye was a 4 year starter too.
Two guys on your list
Frye outplayed Pennington head to head
Frye outplayed Rivers head to head
What's that say about Frye?
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So because Frye played better than those guys for ONE game... ONE freakin' game... he's better? Give me a break.
I used to like you Charlie, but you are starting to get on my nerves. There's a bunch of teams that need backup QB's if you don't want to be here.
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http://boifromtroy.com/wp-content/Brady_Quinn.jpghttp://images.google.com/images?hl=en&am...sa=N&tab=wiDo i have to say anymore of why i dont like this guy? lol search Brady Quinn on google images, believe me you will find more shirtless images. I agree the media did make most of his hype not him, but i have alot of Notre Dame Fans who crack on Ohio State and say how great Brady Quinn is to Notre Dame how Brady Quinn's stats, starts, games, people hes around where hes from how smart he is Brady Quinn this and that it drives me crazy. I would of shot myself if he was picked 3rd overall. and to be honest i dont know what i would do. After we got Joe Thomas and my wishes were awnsered i dont mind brining Quinn in with a decent Oline now. Now That Quinn is a Brown. If he can prove himself a decent NFL QB whos a good QB for the Browns. I'll love him. I dont hate him now though, i wont crack on him anymore Hes a Brown and hes our QB. What will drive me crazy if all a sudden Cleveland does great and all the notre dame fans say its all cuz of Brady Quinn...
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Way to take things far too literally.
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j/c: Another quality thread. Asking questions and then the mob degrades people who don't give the answers they want to hear. And Daman.............I know you are tight w/the refs, but you sure get away w/a lot of crap. I've read where you have called people dumb, stupid, or some variance of those two several times today. For what? Expressing their opinion.  And I'm saying that as someone who actually likes Brady Quinn. I just get sick of people ripping people who don't go ga-ga over everything to do w/the Browns. You all were ga-ga two years ago w/the Leon....Pool....Charlie....and Perkins picks. That turned out really well. Now...........a dose of reality, if anyone wants to hear it. Quinn did some very good things in college. He has garnered high praise by respected people. On the other hand, he did not play well in big games and has some issues w/accuracy. He also was projected as a top 5 pick by many, at least top 10. He did fall all the way to # 22 though. Perhaps there is a reason for that. Let's just hope that he is the real deal. Savage took a big gamble on this kid. If he truly is a franchise QB, then it was a brilliant move. If Quinn is not a franchise QB, then the Browns are going to be hurting for years and years. Wanna know why? Because he will be like Couch and have many supporters and the team will give him every opportunity and then some more to succeed. So, if he ain't all that, we're stuck w/putrid QB play for a long time, and we also gave up a probable top 10 pick AND the # 36 pick to get him. There is a lot riding on that trade. Now..........I know most of you don't like to hear reality and will probably classify me as a hater because I ain't shitting my pants in glee over the move. LOL. But, the truth is.......I do like Quinn and I am hoping to God that he is as good as so many people think he is. The Brown's future is riding on it.
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Ok, maybe I did take it too literally, but why would you even say that?
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Because you are that passionate about the team. I asked my group if anyone brought their gun yesterday...
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Ok, maybe I did take it too literally, but why would you even say that?
Why are you so obnoxious 
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I asked a simple question for the Quinn haters. And none of them, even though Mensa tried by saying Frye was better than Pennington and Rivers just because he had better number than them in one game, stepped to the plate.
I'm just tired of the "History says he's a bust" argument... when in reality, history says he's not a bust.
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I guess I'm not passionate about the team because I wouldn't say that I'd shoot myself over a pick?
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Ok, maybe I did take it too literally, but why would you even say that?
Why are you so obnoxious
Why can't you ever contribute anything to an actual football conversation?
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i'm not a notre dame fan by any means...
but i've always thought quinn was a good qb, these last 2 years, when charlie weiss was able to mold him into a better quarterback...
as far as size, he has it, he's pretty mobile for a pocket passing qb, good arm
the one game that really sticks out is the ohio state game...
they were severely overmatched... troy smith was throwing 60 yard bombs to ted ginn, who could have walked into the end zone...
brady took what the defense gave him, which wasn't much, brady used the run, and passed when he could, and he did not turn the ball over, and this was against a tressel coached defense, and the defense that year for ohio state was amazing... brady's numbers were not great, but had notre dame been able to get stops, any stops, notre dame could have easily won that game...
the numbers don't really tell the story, he was able to lead his team when they were really outmatched...
you can say the same for that usc game that year, he was sensational...
the one bad game he had was the michigan game... he was just bad from the start...
a lot of people say that brady quinn wouldn't get half the hype he would get if he didn't play for notre dame, but on the flip side, he also doesn't get half the criticism he got if he were to come out of any other school...
i think he's going to be a great fit for the browns, and he can become a better quarterback in the nfl than he will with notre dame if you consider some of the weapons he has...
he never had an elite left tackle at notre dame...
anthony fasano was very good at notre dame, but kellen winslow is on a whole different level...
and he's got a defense behind him that has proven they can get stops.. if brady can get this offense going, and thomas can help the run game, the defense will become much better because they won't be on the field all game
remember the san diego game? all those field goals? we had the best player in the game shut down for 3 quarters, and because of the inability of the offense to do anything, the defense got tired, and LT went nuts...
brady quinn is very good in the red zone too, which should help the running game in the red zone... with the threat of a good qb, the defense can't load up the line...
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I guess I'm not passionate about the team because I wouldn't say that I'd shoot myself over a pick?
Again...stop taking things so literally. It's not about who has more passion for the team...it's about how people deal with things differently. I seriously doubt anyone would shoot themselves over a draft pick.
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I just don't think that's something you even say. But that's just my opinion, and we all know I'm not allowed to have those over here 
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The Brown's future is riding on it.
Yes it is. I'm happy we took some risks, but if they don't pan out we are in serious trouble. If they work out, we are in great shape - I'm glad Phil had the guts to try and do something though.
As to the people bringing in ths school he went too, pretty boy image - who cares? I'm a huge Buckeye fan, and hate ND more than Michigan. However, I could care less where the players came from once they hit the pros and are a Brown. If they perform, I'll be happy and could care less if the ND fans are happy about it. As a Buckeye fan, sure I'm happy when OSU play ers do well on the Browns - but overall I just care about WINNING!
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Regardless of where he went to school, he's a BROWN now. All of you Quinn haters better become Quinn lovers. If the Browns some how got Ray Lewis or Joey Poter tomorrow, you better believe I'd be behind them. On Sundays, I'm rooting for the Browns, all of them.
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You make a good point, but let me throw this one back at you..........
Let's say we didn't make the trade, and we would have the pick you mentioned........I think 11-15 is more probable, but I'll go with top 10 to make my point...lol. IF we had fixed this OL and we still had were picking top 10 then Frye would be MUD, and we would be picking a QB there anyway. So again it would come down to if the QB panned out or not as to whether the franchise was good to go or set back like you were refering to. So we basically saw a guy we were going to take if Joe hadn't been available to us, so we obviously like him. Furthermore, we gave up basically a 2nd round pick to get him a year earlier...............bro Fry was toast anyway.........we didn't want him anyway. Oh and the guy we would have chosen next year in the top 10 would have gotten even MORE chances than Quinn will get, becuase of the $$$$ invested in him. I had Quinn #2 on my board behind Joe, but I can keep my personal opinions out of this and still determine this is a good pick. Bro, Fry was done in Cleveland, and a new QB was going to be brought in even without Qunn next year. What we basically did was give a 2nd rounder to get our guy cheaper and a year earlier. This trade can be evaluated without the bust/boom factor already when you consider whoever we would have taken with the 1st next year would have those same factors attached to him.
Fry was done in Cleveland especially under you assumpion that we will/would have been picking top 10 next yea ......and would have/were looking for a franchise QB,. What happened was that we lucked up and got our guy handed to us a year earlier and a whole lot cheaper..................after getting a guy that will give him a chance to actually be successfull. When you look at it that way it wasn't much of a gamble at all.
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I just don't think that's something you even say. But that's just my opinion, and we all know I'm not allowed to have those over here
Its like a figure of speech. If we drafed Quinn 3rd overall passing up thomas i would of been very upset, i would of broke down and cried, i would of been mad somthing like that.
I Dont intend on shooting myself....and most people know that.
I dont hate players over their school, i hate players over their fans and media hype. I love Edwards even when everyone gives him nicknames and wants to trade him.
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Im Happy, For Once We Really Have Two Players We Can Really Build Around I Think The Rewards Far Outway The Risk Its Time The Browns Finally Hit,
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Yep.............the Browns finally got some good luck becuase OTHER teams screwed up the draft...lol. Just another sign that the apocolypse is upon us 
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I asked a simple question for the Quinn haters. And none of them, even though Mensa tried by saying Frye was better than Pennington and Rivers just because he had better number than them in one game, stepped to the plate.
I'm just tired of the "History says he's a bust" argument... when in reality, history says he's not a bust.
You ask a question to Quinn haters where you mention only four people. Great reason to start a thread. I don't recall all four of them using "history shows he's a bust arguement" either
Mensa did not say Charlie was better than Pennington and Rivers. He was trying to illustrate a point you obviously can't comprehend.
Some people just don't think he is any good for various reasons. Get over it.
I only dislike one thing about Quinn as a person. Every single interview I watched of him he spouted off on how important he wanted to be the first pick. He even came out in some and try to draw comparisons between him and Russell to show wht he should be the higher pick. I found it very unbecoming.
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Ok, maybe I did take it too literally, but why would you even say that?
Why are you so obnoxious
Why can't you ever contribute anything to an actual football conversation?
Coming from you, that doesn't effect me at all, because instead of contributing to anything, you just make yourself look stupid and bring up points and nag and just bug the hell out of everyone...
You are like the fly in the room that just doesnt shut the hell up or go away.
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I asked a simple question for the Quinn haters. And none of them, even though Mensa tried by saying Frye was better than Pennington and Rivers just because he had better number than them in one game, stepped to the plate.
I'm just tired of the "History says he's a bust" argument... when in reality, history says he's not a bust.
You ask a question to Quinn haters where you mention only four people. Great reason to start a thread. I don't recall all four of them using "history shows he's a bust arguement" either
Mensa did not say Charlie was better than Pennington and Rivers. He was trying to illustrate a point you obviously can't comprehend.
Some people just don't think he is any good for various reasons. Get over it.
I only dislike one thing about Quinn as a person. Every single interview I watched of him he spouted off on how important he wanted to be the first pick. He even came out in some and try to draw comparisons between him and Russell to show wht he should be the higher pick. I found it very unbecoming.
Oh and that is why I never say anything in threads you are in because everyone makes you look stupid and I don't need to say a damn thing.
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I ain't asking you to agree w/me. It is just my opinion that Savage took a big gamble by making that trade. And I think he took another big one by going after Wright. I'm not a gambler. You gamble enough.........you lose more than you win.
And BigWillie, I was saying they would have a top 10 pick w/BQ starting, not Charlie. One more thing.......I know most of you were sure that Frye would never pan out, but I'm not sure. I wasn't sure he would make it either, but I think we may have pulled the plug too early.
And once again..........I ain't asking you or anyone to agree w/me on that. But, I am getting sick of hearing how dumb people are for having opinions. None of us are arguing facts here. No one can say it was a good trade or a bad trade right now. NO ONE!!!
And believe me, bro. If the majority was coming on here bashing Savage for making the trade, I would be talking a different tune right now. This ain't no fairy tale or fable, where there is black and white, good and evil, right vs. wrong. This is the real world and it's colored gray.
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So, are you saying you won't step to the plate and answer the question? Mensa used the history argument more than anyone else... but other did as well. WinslowBodden... I haven't ever seen a post of yours that contains football talk... you just throw in random comments that have nothing to do with football. You are the Tony Kornheiser of this message board.
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Just some friendly advice here....the Refs aren't going to like the way you're talking to people. Take that for what it's worth.
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Just some friendly advice here....the Refs aren't going to like the way you're talking to people. Take that for what it's worth.
It's only him and Pit during the whole Peterson thing but I will stop if it offends people.
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Oh and that is why I never say anything in threads you are in because everyone makes you look stupid and I don't need to say a damn thing.
It baffles me how people can say other people are stupid, but if you cuss at them in response, you are reprimanded.
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Oh and that is why I never say anything in threads you are in because everyone makes you look stupid and I don't need to say a damn thing.
Who are you and why should I care what you think? Go ahead and tell me what I've said where everyone makes me look so stupid.
Don't bother because I usually don't bother reading your posts.
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You guys are heading toward getting this one deleted...if you don't care, keep it up.
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I think he was saying he doesn't respond to threads I'm in (obviously, he wont leave this thread LOL)... because people make me look stupid without him. Apparently you made me look stupid?
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You guys are heading toward getting this one deleted...if you don't care, keep it up.
I would care.. if I thought anyone was actually going to step up and answer the question that started this thread... but since it seems no one can do that... it doesn't matter much to me anymore 
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