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Well, I don't know what to make of this. Either they are trying to light a fire under JM or they really believe he's not the answer.

I guess it's one of those "make of it what you will" kinda things.

That was the owner calling Johnny out, emphatically. I think he is tired of the off the field stuff too.

My guess is both.
They're sending the very clear message that the jig is up and they see through his crap now. No more words, speak with actions... walk the walk, or get run out.
As-is, he isn't the answer to anything except a bunch of tricia questions. IF he grows up, gets serious, and actually works, then he has a shot at earning something. He'll have to prove himself.

At least, that's my take on their words.... I hope that is how it is and I hope they stick to their guns. Don't be afraid to cut bait!

Yeah,, I'm of the opinion that it's both as well.. The more I thought about it, Haslam, Pettine and Flip all want JM to work out. It makes their lives easier.

But in the end, they need him to step up or maybe it's "MAN UP". Leave his childish ways and get into the REAL world.

Johnnys looks like he led a rather easy life. Maybe this is the wake up call he needs.

Glad to see our owner step up and call Manziel out professionally and in his private life. He's raising the bar and setting the example.... wait. Nevermind.


Seriously tho, the Browns don't have that many options. They don't just want him to step up, they NEED Manziel to step up.

Hoyer might say, adios... the FA pickings are not encouraging... trades are not likely.... and unless the Browns mortgage the future, they won't be in line to nab a highly rated QB in the draft.

They may feel very positive about a guy who they can grab in the 3rd or 4rth round.... but what they really need is Manziel to grow up, dedicate his off-season to rehab, work on his fundamentals (footwork), and basically live in a shed behind DeFilipio's house hounding him with questions about the new playbook and terminology.

True, but at the same time you don't allow yourself to be held hostage to poor past decisions. It doesn't matter what else is available or who is or isn't out there... if he doesn't show the progress and change that is needed, you cut bait and move on... or, you dump him to 3rd string and let his career rot there.

Then maybe, just MAYBE when people stop caring about him, he'll realize that he won't get any more attention until he begins to earn it with his on-field play - which starts with what he does with his time off the field.

I read that there are whispers that Manziel and Gordon want to go to Dallas and have expressed such to the Browns.

Very, very light whispers, but they are out there.

I also read the Browns have not entertained such a move.

At this point I'd rather get rid of Manziel than Gordon. Gordon has at least proven his self on the field.

Maybe he is just Johnny Jamboogie

Call up Jerry and tell him to start counting off Draft picks and players that he thinks we might want.

#NotWeeden

People think Jerry would still want Manziel after this year.

I'm sure his opinion has soured as much as everyone else.

Probably lamenting how he dodged a bullet.

Teammate: Manziel was a “100 percent joke” as a rookie

Posted by Mike Florio on January 23, 2015, 3:46 PM EST
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So why aren’t the Browns declaring Johnny Manziel to be the team’s franchise quarterback? Based on a new report from ESPN.com, the reasons are plentiful.

The article from Jeremy Fowler and Patrick McManamon paints Manziel as being everything that it was feared he’d be, and worse. Based on interviews with 20 Browns sources, they’ve concluded that Manziel engaged in a “year-long pattern that showed a lack of commitment and preparation, a failure to be ready when given a chance in his first start against Cincinnati and a continued commitment to nightlife, which affected his preparation and work while in the team facility.”

As one unnamed player told ESPN.com, Manziel’s rookie year was a “100 percent joke.”

Last year at this time, Manziel was all about football, stubbornly refusing media requests as he stayed out of the limelight and (supposedly) focused on getting drafted as high as he could. Ultimately, it was an Eddie Haskell routine that the Browns should have spotted.

“During the draft process, not one person interviewed by the team said he was going to grow up,” a source directly involved in the drafting of Manziel told ESPN.com. “You can’t blame Johnny. This is who he is. The team knew that.”

(At the risk of being perceived as outing someone’s source, we can’t be the only ones who wonder whether that quote came from former Browns offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan, or from former Browns quarterbacks coach Dowell Loggains.)

It came to a head for the Browns on the final weekend of the regular season, when he didn’t show up at the facility on Saturday morning for treatment. Per the report, team security went to Manziel’s apartment and found the player “drunk off his ass.” The team put out the word that he was “late” for treatment on an injured hamstring; per the report, players didn’t see him at all until it was time to fly to Baltimore for the regular-season finale.

As a result, it should be no surprise that the Browns currently aren’t ready to proclaim Manziel the starter for 2015. Unless he dramatically changes his ways, he may never be the starter, for the Browns or anyone else.

Really? They start an average of 3 new QB's each year and now it's suddenly we need to get a QB in 2015. I've got news for ya Jimmy. It's not just the QB. That excuse is old as the hills around here. Let your team do their job and step away from those decisions...PLEASE

We had average QB play and were 7-4.

With bad QB play we were 0-5.

We aren't this talentless team that has holes all over the place.

If you put a good QB on this team it would make the playoffs.

100%. it's that simple.

So are you saying we "DON'T" need a QB? Are you saying we have what we need?

Jimmy isn't wrong. we need a QB. It could be one we have on the team already or it may be someone else altogether.

Someone has to step up or we need to look elsewhere..

jimmy is dead on.

I would go a step farther, Purp. I think he is being told he is in a hole, should stop digging, and he has no leash. We may "compete" again, but for my money he has more to prove (or disprove perhaps) than others who are now or may be around him.

Somebody needs to demand performance. Some interview stuff sounded like a snake oil salesman. We do not need to listen to promises and self-hype.

What I saw was memorably bad; what it will take for me to forget will be monumental improvement in the other direction. He deserves a chance, has had a fair shake. But we need a QB.

I think you mis-read him Daman, He is saying we've needed a QB since forever and that the Owner should stay out of the FO and let them work.

We certainly do need a QB. This stuff looking in the past means what? And accomplishes nothing. Hindsight is easy. If Haslam sees it and says so, I agree. How many we started and when fails to change that at all. And we may not have a perfect fix, but the message remains that what we accomplished wasn't enough and remains unacceptable. If you aren't the solution, you are part of this problem.

I think he is right, and it is right to say so. Waiting to see this "accountability" thang kick in.

I think Manzeil will be cut in camp if he doesn't show massive gains.

I listened to Haslam, and to me he laid it out clearly, put up or get out.

That being said, IMO, I don't think he makes it thru camp. The kid don't care. If he is not told he is the starter, I gaurantee, his work ethic will be suspect.

I would sign someone, either Hoyer or another FA, and name them the starter immediately. Give the team someone to rally around, and let Johnny earn the back-up spot. If he can't cut him.

So why did the Browns [Haslam and Farmer] draft him if they knew he was such a head case?

Because no one thought he could actually be the larger loser he has shown to be

Actually, the NE scouting report said otherwise. And the most recent article on the situation blamed the Browns because they knew about Manziel's issues and took him for marketing reasons.

He had a great potential upside Vers, heck even you said you were ok with the pick, though you wanted Bridgewater.

Bottom line to me is that has just proven himself worse than any of us could have imagined...his basement seems to be ten floors down

The elevator is already on the lower level, tld. No place to go but up...

I really don't care about the cheaters scouting report. Everyone knew little J had red flags. I don't think anyone realized how deep his issues really were.

Yes, I did like Manziel. I did also say he could be boom or bust.

I have to say that I never realized the extent of his personal issues. I read some of the articles about where people said he was a jerk, but man, I never knew it was this bad. I did not realize he was an alcoholic.

You don't care about a multiple Super Bowl team's scouting report? Seriously?

Sounds like (from prior articles also) that Haslam's ego continues to take serious blows from the media so he probably has learned from his mistake. Support and commit to performance and not hype. He probably loved all the early media attention from the get go when he drafted JM - dang we had world-wide press 24/7 here just because of JM. He was the immediate Rock Star among owners...You have to think Owners' love that kind of attention - and now they hate the negative just as much. How many folks at that level are used to being 'played' like that? I have to think there is some emotional involvement at this point and Haslam will get the last laugh...

Consequently, I imagine JM will have to REALLY impress - and at this point in time, how can he really do so - it there any scenario that JM recovers? Mainly b/c can JM operate with that short leash?? Plus ... making your Big Boss look like a fool never works in your favor...and for that reason I would be leaning toward the fact that they will be making the case that JM is not the answer...All it will take is Pettine and Flip saying "no, he is not the answer" and he will be cut...but I am wrong a lot as shown by my lack of winning the Powerball

What movie if the elevator is broken?

Agree...His problems run much deeper than I ever imagined. I loved and hated the pick at the same time if that makes any sense.

Miracle On 34th Street?

I have no idea where the word "movie" came from..

My Autocorrect has been crazy since a system update on my phone..

It makes sense.

Heck, I had the guy rated as the second best qb in the draft. I said he was boom or bust, but I never realized the extent of his off-the-field issues. There were reports out there. I guess I glossed them over, but even so, I don't think any of us fans knew the extent of what issues this guy had in his personal life.

I must admit, I clench my jaw in anger at the fact we didn't trade up and just took Bridgewater later on, or if we traded up, taken Bridgewater instead of Manziel. I only think of what Bridgewater could have done coming in with as much time to learn as Johnny had in his first year.

Makes me sick.

I hope he steps up to the plate and lives up to his 1st round pick/college hype status. the Browns, and most importantly their fans, deserve a "story with a happy ending."

Teddy....no thanks. I believe Anarchy may be proven correct when he stated (I believe it was him anyway) that Jimmy G will turn out to be the best QB in that draft class...

He may very well be. I'm sure that sitting and learning from a GOAT-type QB in a stable franchise may have something to do with that success. I still like TB more as a prospect than Garoppolo.