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Well, surprisingly our last pick was used on a WR over a Running Back or another Linemen.
With the decision made by Savage not to go for a RB in the draft, do they look for a RB in UDFA like Barclay?...but most likly wouldn't contribuite as much as Harrison or Wright would behind Lewis.
Or is Savage that confident with our RBs behind this new Offenive Line? I know one player (Thomas) doesnt make our offensive line "new" but with a few small FAs added on the line along with a few young players who can battle for a spot on the roster its going to be a decent offensive line.
What are your guys options?
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I just don't think this was a very good year for RBs past Peterson imo. I mean after Bush went in round 4 I didn't want the scat back types that were left in round 5...........we already have those type of players in Wright/Harrison. Imo we'll be better running the ball in 07, but I still don't think you'll see a dominant running game until we get a set of fresh legs.......and that won't happen until next year.
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Do you honestly think that a 7th round RB is going to somehow be a great runner and step into the offense right away to work with Lewis? I do not understand that. I agree with the other poster, once Bush went off the board, there was not another RB that really would fit a role on this team right now. I'd rather see Harrison get another chance next season rather than try some new 7th rounder at the position. Try it again next year for an RB.
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Like Steinbach?
I think we should be able to run behind Steiner & Thomas all day long... probably behind Tucker & Shaffer too.
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Like Steinbach?
I think we should be able to run behind Steiner & Thomas all day long... probably behind Tucker & Shaffer too.
i forgot all about Steinbach lol, i was thinking of McKinney and the 2 centers we resigned.
I agree though, i didnt think we would plug in a 7th rounder just like that, and i also want to see more of Harrison, and maybe even get Wright yet another chance to prove himself a chance of pace runner for Lewis.
If Lewis were to go down with a injury though...thats just my thought. I also do agree i didn't see too many RBs in this draft which i couldnt already compare to Harrison or Wright and start over them. Especially later in the draft.
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I'm a fan of both Wright and Harrison and really want to see how they do behind our revamped line. that's why I wasn't crying when we didn't take an RB... I think Barclay'll come back too.
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I'm honestly not sure that opie is done in the RB department. I think that when the cuts come out of training camp, they'll be another one or two added....JMHO
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How about going after Chris Brown? I think he's still available. Might be another stop-gap runner if he doesn't cost too much.
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I have confidence in Wright. To me he looked the best behind a -poor offensive line last year. He was able to avoid tackles in the backfield and make yards by himself, and with help on the offensive line I believe he is a very reliable backup RB. I don't have much confidence in Ghost as a runner but as a receiver out of the backfield I believe he is very effective. This is all speculation, I cannot wait to go to the first day of training camp 
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Behind the line it should be a massive improvement.
If Jamal Lewis is completely healthy, watch out. All the Peterson pimps will forget about Adrian.
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I have confidence in Wright.
To me he looked the best behind a -poor offensive line last year.
He was able to avoid tackles in the backfield and make yards by himself, and with help on the offensive line I believe he is a very reliable backup RB.
I don't have much confidence in Ghost as a runner but as a receiver out of the backfield I believe he is very effective.
This is all speculation, I cannot wait to go to the first day of training camp
You wonder if all those small yards for a gain 2 yrds 3 yrds 4 at the most it seemed like when i watched him will become 6 7 8 yards a play with our new line...i agree though. As much as i didnt think Wright had it in him with small hype, he is reliable.
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FWIW Barclay IS playing in NFL Europe (which I'm sure most knew...but...) Through week 3 his stats look something like this: [Week 1] 9 rushes, 48 yards, 0 TD, 5.3 avg 4 receptions, 9 yards, 2.3 avg 2 KR, 39 yards, 19.5 avg 0 fumbles [Week 2] 11 rushes, 32 yards, 0 TD, 2.9 avg 4 receptions, 13 yards 3.3 avg 4 KR, 122 yards, 30.5 avg 0 fumbles [Week 3] 21 rushes, 65 yards, 3.1 avg 2 receptions, 30 yards, 15.0 avg 3 KR, 63 yards, 21.0 avg 0 fumbles Not so great, but I don't know the situation for the Berlin Thunder. Maybe they have a line like ours from last year  I'm going to DVR one of their games to check him out  Week 3 is actually being re-aired tonight on the NFL Network at 3am.
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Behind this line, let Jamal do his thing and I think they are looking at a running back next draft. I do like Jerome Harrison though. Give this kid a shot.
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I hope and pray that Phil isn't done in the RB department.
Let's be completely honest for a second - you NEED two running backs in this league to be successful. Whether it's to eat carries, have injury insurance or just to add a new dynamic, it's a must. Jason Wright is not nearly good enough to be the guy behind Lewis. As much as he was a breath of fresh air last year, it's only because it was in comparison to Droughns. He's an average back in every sense of the word.
Our offensive line is certainly more solid than it was a year ago and we can try to be optimistic that Lewis will return to his 2004 form when he averaged over 4.0 YPC and was a very solid back. However, while we can HOPE, it would be foolish to bank on that. I wanted to see Savage take a guy like Bush or Pittman in the 4th after we added Thomas and Quinn, but that didn't happen. Now, I just hope we bring another vet in here.
Best case scenario - Lewis breaks 4.0 YPC, 1000 yards and 10 TDs. We win a fair amount of games and re-sign the rejuvenated Lewis in the off-season to a high tag, long term contract. Romeo and Phil are kept around as we're on the upswing.
Worse case scenario - Lewis stinks or gets injured. We're forced to put in Wright who proves ineffective. We lose a lot of games, earn a high draft pick which is sent to Dallas and we don't bring Lewis back as a FA in the offseason, leaving us with nothing. All personnel gets fired.
IMO, a veteran RB would alleviate a lot of the concern in the 2nd situation. I just hope Phil goes out and gets one.
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Barclay's stats look good week one... then he only has 11 carries, then 21 carries for 65 yds, 0 TDs, so he's obviously not carrying 25-30 times a game either. What's notable is 0 fumbles, he seems to be able to catch and is a decent kick returner. Be interesting to see how he looks in camp this year. Wish I could go.  Spectre: Just saw Phil & RAC's draft wrap up presser and Phil said they're pretty much set with Jamal, Wright, Harrison & Barclay. But we'll see.
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this line isn't just more solid than last year... it is leaps and bounds better than last years. Whether we go with Frye in his 2nd full year or Quinn in his 1st.. we are better at QB than we were in 2006. Winslow & Edwards healthy and a new OC. All of that is going to force defenses into being more honest in respecting our passing game.... and as we all know, that is going to open up the running game and we have one of the true bruiser runningbacks in the NFL. On top of that, we have Wright and Harrison, with Chris Barclay maybe sticking around. We should be Ok. Here is a list of RB free agents though: http://proxy.espn.go.com/nfl/fa?positionId=9No idea how current it is, but it shows Corey Dillon as being available. He'd make for one helluva one year running back to split carries with Jamal 
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I have confidence in Wright.
To me he looked the best behind a -poor offensive line last year.
He was able to avoid tackles in the backfield and make yards by himself, and with help on the offensive line I believe he is a very reliable backup RB.
I don't have much confidence in Ghost as a runner but as a receiver out of the backfield I believe he is very effective.
This is all speculation, I cannot wait to go to the first day of training camp
I agree with you.
Let's face it folks,there were too many holes to fix them ALL in one off season,bottom line. So you look at your needs and the best talent to address those needs at your perspective picks.
I believe the thinking is,if the OL is better,the running game will be better.
How much better? We'll have to find out. I think you'll see DL and RB being two of our top needs that will be addressed during the off season next year.
But untill we see how our young RB's do behind a vastly improved OL,how much they've matured and can contribute,do any of us really know what we need there if anything at all?
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this line isn't just more solid than last year... it is leaps and bounds better than last years.
Whether we go with Frye in his 2nd full year or Quinn in his 1st.. we are better at QB than we were in 2006. Winslow & Edwards healthy and a new OC. All of that is going to force defenses into being more honest in respecting our passing game.... and as we all know, that is going to open up the running game and we have one of the true bruiser runningbacks in the NFL.
On top of that, we have Wright and Harrison, with Chris Barclay maybe sticking around.
We should be Ok.
Here is a list of RB free agents though: http://proxy.espn.go.com/nfl/fa?positionId=9
No idea how current it is, but it shows Corey Dillon as being available. He'd make for one helluva one year running back to split carries with Jamal
I agree that as of right now, we're OK because we've made so many solid upgrades, but should something happen to Lewis, we're completely screwed. No offense to any of the other backs on the roster, but Wright nor Harrison are good enough to even split carries effectively at the NFL level at this point. Right now, I'm liking how our roster is shaping up, but one injury to Lewis can send us spiraling down the toilet. A veteran back would do a LOT to alleviate that concern for me.
Dillon would be a great backup to Lewis, but I think he's set on being the starter. He didn't even want to split carries in New England - I highly doubt he's going to want to take 5 or less every game. Both Barlow and Brown are pretty bad, but I think either is an upgrade over Wright provided they can reach their form of previous seasons. Then again, if they're each doomed to repeat past seasons, neither is an upgrade.
I just wish that Romeo and Phil wouldn't put all their eggs in one basket with Lewis here - we need insurance IMO. Optimism is one thing - blind faith is just foolish in a league where anything can happen. Honestly... I wish we still had Droughns right now to back up Lewis.
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Haha, no prob - I'm not going to back out of a bet, especially since I love how the draft ended up going.
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Do you have ANY FRICKIN' IDEA how much I would enjoy beating the HELL out of the Bengals and Ratbirds with THEIR old players!!?????
I'm drooling at the thought!
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I hope we add another RB... maybe Phil can use Chaun Thompson and someone else to trade for a decent one?? I heard Julius Jones, from are favorite trading partners the Cowboys, may be on the block? Anyone else hear that???
If we don't get another one, hopefully Wright, Harrison, and Vickers can contribute.
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If Lewis is healthy, I really think he can put up some good numbers this year. Also, there will be some good vets available after June 1st if we decide to go that route. If LeCharles doesn't need a second surgury we might actually have 5 playerrs and only 6 spots on the OL......when the hell is the last time we could say that????
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I to am worried about going into the season counting on J. Lewis. Most on here know I was a Peterson Pimp, that said, I couldn't be happier with how the first day turned out. Thomas and Quinn is more than any of us thought could have happened. As for RB, After Peterson, I wasn't real happy with this class, Leonard intrigued me, but that was unrealistic. No one here has yet mentioned Vickers. I liked this pick last year and though he is listed as a fullback, I think he could fill the RB role as well when we run a single back set. While not a home run threat as Lewis was in his prime (and hopefully can be again), I feel he could be a step down version of Lewis. A big back that can get the tough yards and could break off a 20 or 30 yarder every now and than. Remember, Droughns came into the league as a fullback and Lewis is built like one. My hope for the yr.......Vickers comes up big as a rotational player with Lewis. That said, Maybe Phil brings in a camp cut also? Pit, EO, Vers, and others, I am ecstatic the way the draft worked out. Thomas is a good pick and will be with us for yrs, (  ). congrats to you guys. I hope Peterson has a good career, just not agianst us!!
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No one here has yet mentioned Vickers. I liked this pick last year and though he is listed as a fullback, I think he could fill the RB role as well when we run a single back set. While not a home run threat as Lewis was in his prime (and hopefully can be again), I feel he could be a step down version of Lewis.
I agree. Romeo was unusually high on Vickers at the end of the season last year, so perhaps they feel confident in his ability to step up his game this year. I think we'll see a lot more of him on 3rd downs than people realize. He's a big back, so he should he be able to get the tough yards, is big enough to block effectively (his biggest weakness last year), and can also be an excellent safety valve with his ability to catch and run.
I'm actually excited to see how far Vickers has progress this off season. He could fill a vital role for us.
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I'm not exactly sure what you are asking here,,,
I mean our Oline has been (at least on paper) upgraded big time,, Stienbach, resigning of Fraley, Drafting of Thomas, signing of McKinney, Tucker supposedly coming back and we still have Shaffer who may be a pretty good RT at some point,, maybe even now..
So, if they pan out as a unit (remains to be seen but I'm very hopeful and excited about them) our backs as they are should produce better...
We already know that Lewis is a winner,,, we brought in a kid by the name of Ricard (is that the correct spelling) who blocked for Lewis the year he went big on yards..
As you have pointed out, we have Harrison and Wright.. We have Barclay in NFLE and of course we have Vickers... (Somehow, I think there's one I'm missing but I'll be darned if I can think of his name)
To me it sounds as if the Browns are happy with what they got.. However, it wouldn't surprise me to see another added as a UDFA...seems we always pick up one guy in that role each year,,,
I'm satisfied with what we have,,,,
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I'm secretly expecting Jamal to have a great year. 1200+ yds. I also want to see Harrison bust a couple long ones, (pass as well as run) and I expect Wright will be a nice surprise when he's in there.
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I think teams are gonna start hating the Browns, cuz I think they are going to run, run, and run...
Jamal Lewis and Harrison should do well this year... Vickers should do good too...
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"...I to am worried about going into the season counting on J. Lewis. "
I guess we all have to worry about something. Last year we realized our line still stunk but we had LC Bentley to help push Reuben Droughns down the field...we were hopeful. But...
LC Bentley got hurt and Reuben slowed down to a quick crawl.
That was a disaster this year.......
This year we have one seasoned running back who usually kills us and two 2 year runners ready to play behind a hugely improved line. June cuts will free up a good backup or two...do not let your heart be troubled- it's all good!
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Jamal Lewis and Harrison should do well this year... Vickers should do good too...
How sweet would it be to see those three guys just tear it up? 
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