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He didn't show up for work because he was drunk, what, two months ago?

He was photographed rolling a bill in a casino bathroom less than a year ago (and looks high on cocaine in every other social media pic of him that surfaces).

He was arrested while drunkenly trying to give a cop TWO fake ID's two years ago.

He constantly poses for photos where he's so drunk he can't keep his eyes open.

There is a distinct pattern of behavior to suggest that he is a dunce who can't handle his booze/drugs.

If we all woke up tomorrow to find Manziel got a DUI or got suspended for failing a drug test...would anyone be the least bit surprised?

he was on IR and didnt show up for a physical therapy session. It wasnt good but its hardly a capital crime either.

Correct.

He didn't call the team and tell them he wasn't coming in, though. Try that with your job.

He wasn't sick.

He, reportedly, was awakened by team security at his apartment. One of them reportedly said "he was drunk off his butt."

Combine all that with his previous "mishaps", throw in the old "I NOW know I need to work harder, and I will" statement, then mix it up with his partying in Florida that very same evening.

Then play "connect the dots".

I don't know why you guys continue to look at these things in a vaccuum.

If it was an isolated incident that was out of character for him, then sure, you can excuse it.

But when it's the latest incident in a very distinct pattern of constant idiotic behavior when drugs and/or booze hits his lips, then it becomes more difficult to ignore.

Anyone who isn't in denial [like most were about Gordon] knows that there is a concern that JM gets busted one day.

The guy has been photographed so many times while he is wasted. He gets wasted the night after he says he has to change. That picture in Aspen.......LOL......those guys were toasted. Hell, I've been in that state.

I don't think that we--or the Browns--should crucify or cut the guy---but there better be a backup plan.

Agreed. The incident itself isn't a problem. If this was all it was and there wasn't a history of other things that go with it, it's a complete non-story.

It's that the incident is another element in a long-standing pattern of behavior, and the one article who compared his act to that of Eddie Haskell could not have hit it more square on the nose as a pop-culture reference. That's EXACTLY who he is. His actions never match or live up to his words.

Definitely. We bought the cow, may as well see if we can work with it and get any milk.... but, we had also better be making sure that we're seeing what other cows can be had to cover our butts.

Forget the milk, just make some steaks and mooove on...

that's udder nonsense

What does that look like?

I've never done it, and I don't know anyone who has.

not even close...Check out Lawrence Taylor's eyes... there is a guy coked out

tab, you are being overly sensitive. It's a debate, man. People disagree.

Here you go:

Link

[quote]Johnny Manziel played in five games this past season. He threw 35 passes, completed 18 of them for 175 yards, didn’t throw a single touchdown pass and had two picks. He also rushed nine times for 29 yards and a score.

Never before has a player with those stats been talked about so much.

“I think . . . everything about my boy Johnny is overblown,” Cleveland Browns cornerback Joe Haden said on Tiki and Tierney. “I think he’s a young quarterback, a young rookie, and I think he still has a little bit of growing up to do. But that’s everybody. I think the one thing (about) the quarterback position . . . is . . . you got to be first one in (and the) last one out. You got to know everything. You really legitimately have to be a coach on the field.

“I think he’s realized it now, but it’s completely different from college. Just the accountability and how much time it takes to understand the offense and get the grasp. You got to know what you’re doing. You got to know what everybody’s doing. You got to know the checks and (be) able to get your line right and (be) able to get your receivers on the hot routes and everything.

“Just coming from college, it’s a lot more responsibility and a whole lot more is going to be on his plate. He got to start the last couple of games, but going into this offseason, I think he knows what he has to do.”

Haden was asked whether anyone is mentoring Manziel.

“I talk to him, but for me being a DB, I’m in and I’m out,” Haden said. “I know what I got to do. I got man-to-man every play. I try to tell him, ‘You got to be in there. You got to be in the books.’ But I feel like I was the one trying to tell him what’s going on.”

The Browns started 7-4 this past year before closing the season on a five-game losing streak. Cleveland – both the team and the city – was ecstatic to start so well, but injuries, suspensions and poor play down the stretch were too much to overcome.

“The city was crazy,” Haden said, referring to the Browns’ fast start. “They just want a winner so bad. When we started out that good, it was positive. Everybody around the city was very, very excited. But being plagued by injuries – Alex Mack going down, losing Karlos Dansby – we were just plagued by injuries. But we have a solid team. We’re going in the right direction. Coach Pettine is a great coach. I’m so happy that we got him in here.”

The Browns’ 7-9 finish was their best since 2007 (10-6).

“We’re just trying to turn it around,” Haden said. “We really want to get that ‘Same old Browns’ thing out of there. We were 7-9. That’s the most wins we’ve had since I’ve been here. I can feel the change. When we were 7-4, it felt different. I feel like we got something special at least growing.”

Unfortunately for the Browns, star receiver Josh Gordon could face a one-year suspension after testing positive for alcohol.

“It’s unfortunate,” Haden said. “I really don’t know the details of the situation. I haven’t been able to talk to Josh yet. When I figure out more about it, I’ll definitely be able to speak more on it.”

http://tikiandtierney.radio.cbssports.com/2015/01/27/joe-haden-everything-about-johnny-is-overblown/
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Dansby: 'Without a doubt' Manziel can lead Browns

Strong words, one that I really wouldn't expect someone as blunt as Karlos to make.

LOL at the "I think he is" comment.

Not being negative. It just came across as funny considering what goes on w/the Browns.

Btw-----------I read Dansby's comments and I kept hearing Ray Lewis' voice inflections. Check it out.

Haden, though, isn't the only Browns veteran who believes Johnny Football can turn it around, with linebacker Karlos Dansby telling NFL Network's Super Bowl Live that Manziel can lead Cleveland to the promised land.

"Oh without a doubt," Dansby said. "It's gonna take a lot of sacrifices. Guys can't have egos, you gotta check 'em at the door. We gotta ... rally around each other and continue to fight for each other, just play lights-out football, and that's what we're gonna (have to do to get there)."

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yea if he makes sacrifices and checks his ego and plays lights-out football there is no doubt he could lead this team!!!!!!!

Bortles and Jaguars’ receivers plan on an offseason of hard work

There have been questions raised recently about the work ethic of the second quarterback chosen in last year’s NFL draft, Cleveland’s Johnny Manziel. But the first quarterback chosen in last year’s draft says he has an offseason of hard work ahead of him.

Jaguars quarterback Blake Bortles knows he and his teammates need to be a whole lot better in 2015 than they were in 2014, and Bortles said today on PFT Live that he and the Jaguars’ offensive skill position players have already agreed that they’ll be getting together in California next month, at a time when players aren’t allowed to work out at team facilities, for their own player-run minicamp.

“We’ve got to have a lot of improvements. We’ve got to get out and get better this offseason. We’re going to get together and work together. I’m excited for it, I’m excited for the opportunity for the guys we have in the locker room to come together and get after it. Offensively, it comes down to execution — that’s something we’ve lacked and I was obviously a big part of it.”

Bortles said he has arranged for training this offseason that will include “A lot of working out, stretching, trying to get the body right and better, and then obviously a ton of both mental and physical quarterbacking.”

The Browns can only hope that Manziel will be doing that kind of work this offseason.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...n-of-hard-work/

How many INTs will Bortles throw against air?

Bortles played like a guy that had no real feel for the game at all.

I can't recall seeing a worse rookie QB ever other than maybe Gabbert.

I would be very surprised if he amounted to anything at all.

Cleveland Browns' Joe Haden: 'Johnny Manziel is definitely not a joke'

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ss..._social_feature

By Mary Kay Cabot, Northeast Ohio Media Group on January 28, 2015 at 5:57 PM, updated January 28, 2015 at 7:49 PM

PHOENIX, Ariz. -- Browns cornerback Joe Haden, fresh off the Pro Bowl and making the rounds on radio row at the Super Bowl Wednesday, took exception to one of his teammates anonymously blasting Johnny Manziel last week.

"Johnny is definitely not a joke,'' Haden, who's in town in his new role as a Global Ambassador for the Special Olympics, told Northeast Ohio Media Group. "It's not true at all that Johnny's teammates think he's a 100% joke.''

Haden was referring to a story last week on ESPN.com that quoted an unnamed Browns player saying that Manziel throughout the 2014 season was a "100% joke.''

Haden was bothered by the fact that a teammate would rip Manziel that way, especially without using his name. He pointed out that teammates Donte Whitner and Karlos Dansby constructively criticized rookie Justin Gilbert during the season, but did so on the record.

"That unnamed source thing really gets on my nerves,'' he said.

On the contrary, Haden said the players he interacts on a daily basis really like and support Manziel.

"Oh for sure,'' said Haden. "Everybody. Me, Phil Taylor loves him. Travis (Benjamin) loves him. There's a lot of players on the team that do so I don't really know. You'd have to find that person who said that.''

Haden, who's become friends with Manziel, also disagreed that No. 22 pick did not prepare hard and that he wasn't ready to play.

"For most of the season, he was the backup,'' said Haden. "He was doing what he was supposed to do. (Brian) Hoyer was out there balling, he was the starting quarterback. What do you want him to do? He was the backup.''

Haden said that if Manziel didn't always excel in practice, there was a good reason.

"We have a really good defense, so sometimes it wasn't really Johnny's fault,'' said Haden. "Our defense is really good at practice, so you're not going to just shred us. Of course you're going to have bumps in the road.''

Haden said Manziel looked like Johnny Football to him in practice, and Dansby, who was also doing interviews here Wednesday on radio show, stressed that Manziel gave the defense good looks in practice.

"He makes plays with his feet,'' said Haden. "He makes things happen. He's a very exciting player. He was throwing the ball really well. I didn't really see that (he wasn't practicing well).''

Haden said he watched people pile on to Manziel all season, and now this offseason.

"Johnny takes too much bashing for nothing and the thing is that being a quarterback in the NFL is so much harder,'' he said. "They can't do anything. If Johnny is to do anything that shows him having fun instead of being in the meeting room, they blow him up.''

Haden said he never recalls Manziel being late until he overslept for his treatment the day before the season finale. Manziel was on injured reserve at the time and not eligible to participate in the walk-through.

"He wasn't supposed to be at the walk-through,'' said Haden. "He needed treatment. You're a quarterback, you need treatment, I understand that, definitely. I'm not trying to give him a pass on that, but still, one little treatment and he didn't have to be there. He was on IR. It was probably one of the only times he messed up.''

He said the transgression, like everything else in the life of Johnny Football, becomes larger than life.

"He understands what's going on, and this season he's going to be able to show that a lot better,'' said Haden.

Haden has encouraged him to take some time off during the offseason and not feel pressured to go into a bunker.

"I'm like, 'dude, you still have to live life. You're still a young dude and it is the offseason' and he knows now,'' said Haden. "I've been talking to him about, when the season starts, OTAs, minicamps, he's going to be in there grinding he and knows that he has to stay extra and get it with the new coach (offensive coordinator John DeFilippo) and figure out the systems and all of that. But right now, relax your shoulders.

"Relax, chill, breathe. Because when he comes back, he knows now -- when I hit rock bottom when I got suspended for Adderall, people were coming at me like I've never had that coming at me before and I felt a certain type of way and I just knew then that I needed to change.''

Haden is as convinced as ever that Manziel has what it takes to be a good quarterback.

"For sure, for sure,'' said Haden. "Because he's shown he has the ability. He has the talent. He has all of the tools.''



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No offense Mac and this has nothing to do with it being about Johnny but hiding behind an anonymous source is just being a total coward and the kind of person that divides a team. Its like Lombardi giving info to his buddy lacanfor and him saying an anonymous source within the Browns organization told me lol I mean we knew who it was and it was a total cowardly way to do things. It is even worse when its a player.

He wasn't good, but you and cfrs are way off base w/these claims.

You REALLY don't think Manziel looked worse? That's just this year.

Timid? He looked better to you? Oh yeah, most of you loved the guy and blamed everyone but him. But, of course, Bortles played under ideal circumstances.

I got a few other names for you guys:

Ryan Leaf
Joey Harrington
Akili Smith
JaMarcus Russell

Oh, why don't you check out Jake Plummer's rookie season. Wait, wait............but, he had some success later on.

Yeah, he did. So did many others who started poorly.

I don't know if Bortles will be successful, but you guys are way off the path on this one.

Could be a bit prisoner of the moment, but if you asked to rank the worst rookie QBs I've ever seen, Bortles and Gabbert would be 1a. and 1b.

Manziel didn't play long enough to make a claim on that, IMO.

My point is that there has been one rookie QB, since the passing rules changed in 2004, that has been as bad as Bortles for an entire season and turned it around. Matthew Stafford. That's the only one.

Manziel was dreadful. He also didn't play a big enough sample for us to project his future (35 passing attempts).

Russell had only 66 attempts.

Leaf, Harrington, Couch, and Smith were all rookies before the rules changed.

Bortles was historically bad for a large stretch of games. The odds of him being a quality NFL QB are not good.

3-10 record, 59% completion rate, 11 TDs, 17 INTs, 69.5 QB rating, 21.94 QBR, and a league leading 55 sacks over 14 starts. Those numbers are really, really, really bad.

You are using hyperbole.

The league has been a passing league for a long time.

I am not even a Bortles fan. I did not watch enough in the NFL to formulate an opinion on whether or not he will be successful or not.

All I know is this...........you seem to be on some sort of a crusade to bad-mouth the guy and your evidence is suspect--at best.

Just back off a bit, man.

You seem way to eager to speak of him being a failure. Your proof is not fool-proof.

No. I am not. There have been two that were worse. Blaine Gabbert and Jimmy Clausen. That's it.



They specifically changed the rules after the Patriots/Colts playoff game in 2004.



I am just responding to other people's post.



That's why I qualified my statement. There are always outliers. History is not in Bortles favor.

I will literally not comment on Bortles ever again as I don't actually care about the player.

i don't think you can judge Manziel on his performance and say he sucks so he'll never be good. It is true, tons of guys have taken their lumps and come back. The problem with Johnny is he is so stubbornly lazy when it comes to working on the playbook and showing discipline. It makes it very hard to see him turning it around. Couple that with the fact he's already rich and will never have to be hungry, and you just wonder if he can put in the work. I sure hope so.

The kid looked like a rookie... He made some really nice plays at times qnd looks overwhelmed at times.... He'll manning had like 30 INTs his rookie year...

When some of us said Richardsons rookie season wasn't that good. Some others went crazy about his volume driven numbers 950 yards 10tds. The other half said he wasn't very good.

Yet, after a full season everyone was ready to lynch Joe Banner. TWO full seasons of trash and Colt fans were still saying he was going to break out because he now knew the playbook.


Yet after 6 quarters of football, on a team falling apart, against two playoff teams. Johnny Manziel had the worst rookie season in history?

Come on.