DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Cameron Turns Down Browns $6-7M Offer

yea thats what 15 was saying. we don't know the specifics or even if the offer was actually made.

maybe he got one of those front loaded, incentive type contracts.

According to a report from Yardbarker and NFL Draft Diamonds, Cleveland Browns tight end Jordan Cameron recently turned down a $6 to 7 million-per-year deal to remain with the Browns.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/23440...ing-free-agency

I wonder what Cameron is realistically expecting to get in free agency?! He's had a lot of concussions in the last few years and he's only played one full season healthy (I think). $6 or $7 million a year doesn't sound like a bad deal to me...

I will volunteer not to play for half that offer. Seems beyond a fair offer to me.

People should be more concerned about the guaranteed money (which we don't know) instead of the reported annual base.

While 2013 was a great year for him, I actually like Dray and Barnage over Cameron for the simple fact that they perform better in the run game and their hands aren't that bad. Cameron is more of a 1 dimensional TE anyway. I'd rather have a 3 down TE that can play both the run and the pass.

The one thing that cannot be ignored, however, is that Cameron is a huge weapon in the passing game, n a team that needs weapons. He cannot be easily dismissed as though he has no value to a team that needs every weapon it can get.

He is a weapon, but he is a real liability as a blocker. Let's face it, we have to expect our TE to block at least some times. I keyed on him a few times last year on our run plays (rewound the DVR) and the times I did, he either totally missed his block or the guy he was blocking was able to easily shed him.

If we can re-sign him for a reasonable amount (I have no idea what that is), then fine. But I don't want to break the bank on him.

JMHO

Haha that's very true. I remember Whitner lit him up several times, yet Gresham is 6'5 265 and got right back up...I think Gresham missed the first Browns game with a toe injury..I think with Cameron he is always trying to beat you with speed and I have noticed the same as you...I will tell you as a fact Gresham loves contact and will try to run people over after the catch...he also will leap over you or run by you...actually he sometimes tries to hard and will continue to try to shrug people off and actually lost the ball on a couple plays...But I do love his effort and at times his team feeds off of it...He is leaps ahead of Cameron in blocking...he's another reason for the strong running game...not elite blocker but I'd section him in good-very good...where Cameron is mediocre and shys away and sometimes wants nothing to do with.

I don't believe Gresham has suffered a concussion in the NFL which is a plus as poor Cameron keeps getting belted by them...that's what scares me most about Cameron.

I also happen to believe Cameron is soft...Cameron missed I believe the Saints game with a grade 2 shoulder injury... Lamar Miller had the same exact injury and grade...Yet Lamar Miller didn't miss a game and I watched his first game after the injury (luckily it was a Monday night game) and he was lowering the same exact shoulder and bowling people over and refusing to go out of bounds...I know Miller Time is a RB, but RBs take severe punishment...Cameron I do wonder about his will at times.

PS I know Gresham was kinda upset with the Bengals taking Eifert in round 1 when he already keyed on 2 Pro Bowls...The Team wasn't too happy with him...I would not be surprised if when FA starts he wants to stick it to the Bengals and perhaps come to Cleveland or Oakland will give him $40 mill or something stupid lol

I am not a big fan of Gresham.

There are better options.

Not a fan of Cameron either, he is too injury prone. And that is a high price for a year.

FA or the Draft.... it is as simple as that.

Vers...I believe Pettigrews problem has always been his hands and concentration...He has perhaps the perfect build of a TE...He can block and once he gets going he is load to take down (very thick and strong) However its not far off to say his hands resemble good ole Rickey Dudley (remember that beast...sarcasm followed) He has a concentration issue and seems to drop a lot of easy passes and even big crucial ones...off the top of my head he signed a 4/16 deal last year...I don't know if Detroit needs him that badly at that cost as they have Ebron and Fauria grooming and ready to go, They also have another TE that played more than Ebron Fauria and Pettigrew (the big 3 missed a ton of time this year)

I wouldn't be surprised if he is cut for salary reasons...but his hands are huge disappointments as well. I like the guy...however leading the league in drops or being amongst the tops is a stat I always try to steer away from

Also thanks for the praise Vers...greatly appreciated and I enjoy your posts and insight as well...I've been on these boards for years (mostly the old board until it kept shutting down) My cousin is a reporter who interviews and follows the team closely, so its always fun picking his brain and scrolling around here as well (Some board memebers may remember when I had my cousin ask Shurmer ask a question that we were debating on here...Shurmer got a little pissed and refused to answer it and we all had a good time laughing about it) Keep up the great work and stellar posts my friend

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Haha FA or the draft is true for every position...But I know what you mean...Julius Thomas is definitely the prize in this years FA class...then I think Cameron and Gresham is the step below... The draft class doesn't have a star in it, but has intriguing options in the middle rounds...can it be the start of free agency already

Would you rather have them with sit around with almost 50 Mil in cap space? It's not like us fans get that money so why does anyone care how much money they spend? This team is in HUGE trouble if they don't spend that money this offseason.

The top 5 teams with the most cap space: Jags, Raiders, Browns, Jets, Titans. What does that tell ya?

that we never have draft picks worth resigning?

lookin for money like graham did....if someone wants to be careless and show him the money he`d go....

he was told to hold out for wr money?

Yes that's a big part of it, but when you can't draft like the Browns you need to get some FA talent in here (some upper tier FA talent!!) or you can win 5 games a year... I am not buying another ticket until they start spending some of that money.

And be prepared to spend 27% more for you ticket. Guess they thought the fan experience was worth a 1/4 % raise in tix prices. Sign Cameron to a short term contract, see if he can remain healthy, put a winner on the field and then, perhaps the increase would be worthwhile.

I agree. But upper tier FA talent usually target upper tier NFL teams.

Dansby and Whitner are upper tier FA talent. just sayin....

LOL really?...you pointing to the Brown's defense now. What was our defense ranking last couple of years? Could be considered NFL upper tier defense right? Thanks for helping me make my point. Try again.

ok. jt and mack were upper tier FA talent that we signed.

Yeah! Like Mario Williams with Buffalo. Or Eric Decker with the Jets. Or DeSean Jackson with Washington. Or Brent Grimes with the Dolphins.

Upper tier free agents target money. If a good team comes along with the money, all the better.

That we dumped a TON of Cap the year prior to the first year of being able to carry over unused cap and have benefited since.

yea that was brilliant. cut all the vets and load up the roster with late round draft picks and UFAs and call them nfl starters. just brilliant!!!!!

The best part is that they did that not knowing they would be able to carry over the cap (I think).

Just had a thought, if Cameron was not a Cleveland Brown, but a free agent from another team, would we be wanting to sign him? I say yes (although I want to sign him anyway).

Our defense was ranked #1 in QB-rating against. That would be the best in the entire NFL.

Our defense was ranked #2 in Interceptions.

Our pass defense was ranked #3 in Yards Per Attempt (YPA).

Our defense was ranked 10th in 3rd down%.

Our defense was ranked #9 in Points Allowed (that is top10 in the most important category).

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It was our rushing defense that was bad. Our pass defense was exceptional.

Stop making sense.

We really stunk against the run, and we did not rush the passer very well. (Kruger excluded) However, we also dealt with a ton of injuries on the defensive side of the ball, and that hurt.

I think that the defense will make a huge jump forward in year 2 with Pettine at the helm. I expect that we will add 2-3 guys who can really impact the defense, either in the draft, or in free agency, and the defense will be a ferocious unit. The offense will then need work, and above all, we need to get the QB position figured out.

yeah, we really need guys who can learn to set the edge because it absolutely killed our rush defense to just allow guys to get to the outside at will. and, our interior DL got pushed around too much.

despite that, I still think we should have a very good defense next year.

Exactly! and who exactly is the ones benefiting? Certainly isn't the fans. We have seen a losing record for how many straight seasons now?

yea. 3 out of 4 blown first round picks, 3 out of 6 blown 2nd round picks and 2 out of 3 blown 3rd round picks and people think he is a god. lmao.

Just so we are perfectly clear, what is the first year that you are talking about? And while you're at it, a homework assignment: List the draft picks, the free agents signed, and the vets cut loose...

Just so we are perfectly clear 2010. and i am not going through the list again. the guy cost us 5 years with his crappy drafting and just like he did with the eagles we have no choice but to invest in FAs to try to win games.

Yeah, I hate all those pro bowlers too.

Can you please tell me where to find it...