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I know....I am with you and would rather keep him.
At this point he fits the cap and if decisions of cap have to be made next year or the year after...so be it.
As to a trade.....we would indeed have to write off the remaining cap.....but in a year where you have the room, that doesn't matter either...even though the amount would be less, it could actually hurt more next year or the year after....again....gets back to how the overall picture looks.....and unless we have some real geeks in here who have all the contracts laid out, there is no real way of knowing. The only thing we know is if we are 9 mil under this year, we could take a 9 mil cap hit.
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I hear Pit wants Shaffer traded to Minnesota for Adrian Peterson.
i think the whole board would
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in short, he is only a $815,000.00 salary (league minimum for a 5 year vet is $525,000.00) plus the portion of his signing bonus for this year. Next year, his salary is $2,900,000.00 (which, to back up Pit, it is closer to 4x this year's salary than it is to 3x this year's salary).... can't find anything with details on it, but there may be roster and/or workout bonuses next year as well (his total contract value minus his signing bonus plus salaries leaves over $13,000,000 unaccounted for that could only be roster/workout bonuses).
If anything, NEXT year is the year to cut him if he is gonna be cut. He's too damn cheap this year AND we get a year's worth of that bonus' proration behind us which lowers the hit next year.
Folks say he sucked.. but I'll tell ya what, he was 100% better than any other backup LT you're gonna see.
All of that aside though, he has been given to seek a trade, so unless noone ponies up enough, it's all moot and we're eating the full hit this year.
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I hear Pit wants Shaffer traded to Minnesota for Adrian Peterson.
i think the whole board would
No, because at least Shaffer might still have a couple full seasons left in him 
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If anything, NEXT year is the year to cut him if he is gonna be cut.
I basically agree....however...it is possible it isn't. It just depends on where we sit in relation to the cap.
Right now it looks like we still have money to burn. It might make sense to clean our hands now.
Again...I am not calling for that....I wouldn't mind if we decided to keep him the duration of his contract if it makes sense.
I am speaking strictly from a cap perspective.
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oh, absolutley.. but that's where you have to find that balance between the cap needs and the personnel needs.
Is he more valuable as depth or as money off the books next season?
Looking strictly at the money & roster ramifications, the choices are:
2007: not gaining the roster spot until next year and we absorb the cap hit next year, but cheap cost this year and we get depth at the least
2008: gaining a roster spot this year at the expense of a big ole cap hit and loss of depth, but we free up a bunch of cap space next year
No matter how ya slice it, there is a price to be paid... it's just a matter of determining which is the better value for the team. Of course this doesn't factor in what might be obtained by trading him or the fact that allowing him to seek a trade is the right thing to do, it's just a look at the cold numbers.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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yeah, i see your point too....if he's not in our plans now is the time to get rid of him....
as far as depth goes i don't think he's too expensive this year...
it could be that he sits this year, and then we get rid of tuck next year and shaff starts....who knows....
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there is no doubt that if he's not a starter next year then he's probably gone, and we probably won't get anything for him...
all i know is having too many linemen is a good problem to have....
i think we have to keep him this year...
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lol, no kidding... how nice of a change is it to be debating "what are we going to do with our other starting left tackle?"? 
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... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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Racer,I know what you meant,but i can't resist.
We have always had too many linemen,now we have too many good linemen.Having 3 starting caliber tackles is a difficult thing to tttttype.
Indecision may,or maynot,be my problem
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NRTU.
I'm just making an observation here, but I think that many people are focusing too much on the smaller picture and not enough on the bigger one.
This is going to be Tucker's 11th NFL season.
Tucker is going to be 32 this year when the season starts.
He's missed 16 games over the last three seasons with various physical and mental issues.
I'm of the opinion that Savage has always viewed Shaffer as the future right tackle on this team. To suggest that he doesn't have a future here is suggesting that he's a left tackle only, and that Tucker is the longterm answer at right tackle.
I always look at circumstantial evidence when trying to put pieces of the puzzle together. Far more often than not, common sense predicts how things play out. It was that way with Frye this entire offseason, and it's been that way with Shaffer as well. It was clear to anyone who'd take the time to really look things over that neither guy was slated to be the long-term answer at their respective positions, though some refused to acknoweldge it because of personal beliefs. (Same goes for Adrian Peterson *rubs a little salt into the wound*  ) In this case, Savage got Shaffer to take over for a declining Tucker. So unless we get a real sweetheart offer to move Necktie (I've been thinking a 1st day pick) he's not going anywhere, and isn't in a position to dictate to the organization.
Does he want to play left tackle? Of course! The prestige is what drives these egomaniacs. But just because a player is disgruntled doesn't mean the world is black and white and that things have to play out in a divorce. We have no financial issues with Necktie, as he's a bargain basement guy this season. If Tucker plays all year and proves he's still going at a high level into his mid-30's and his 12th year, then maybe we think about moving Necktie. But what sense does it make to move him now when he was signed with the FUTURE in mind?
It doesn't.
I'm sure LJ Shelton, demoted from left tackle to guard then demoted to the bench last year, wants out to go play left tackle somewhere. So far, he's penciled in at right tackle. He's just a little worse than Necktie. The only reason this is getting big play is because of a perceived big contract. In the REAL big picture, he's a below-average left tackle who's been "demoted" to the position he was originally signed to play. He was always a stopgap player and that doesn't change just because he's asked for a trade. The big picture doesn't change.
Now Opie could decide to move him, at which point I'd consider him a fool. But I don't see him folding his hand just because a sub-par left tackle is making a bluff.........
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Right on Toad.
I would tell Shaff to be patient. We don't know how Tuck is going to play this year. We don't know if he'll even be able to play after his mental issues last year. We don't know if Tuck will be injury-free this year either.
There is no way the Browns can trade Shaff with the questions surrounding Tucker. I just don't trust Tucker, sorry but I don't.
Depending on their play, I would make RT an open competition in camp/preseason.
So I would pull aside Shaff and tell him to keep his nose clean, work hard in the offseason and the RT spot could be yours. If he wants out because RT isn't a glamour position, then you might get to just sit on the bench. Play or sit. Your choice.
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This is going to be Tucker's 11th NFL season.
Tucker is going to be 32 this year when the season starts.
He's missed 16 games over the last three seasons with various physical and mental issues.
And I have NEVER been a big fan of his..he gets beat by bullrushers even though he's cut down his false starts..he needs to go inside .
He's lost more than just a step..he struggles trying to open up holes..
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Closed due to length. Feel free to open a continued thread if needed, since there is still some good conversation on the subject.
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