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Er.......Maybe you didn't get that I was being sarcastic <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> If you read my posts after the initial one, you'll see the real score.[/color]

[color:"orange"]Sorry Toad...I'm really in no condition to be reading long...can't sit long...this is the best I've done this past hour. I'm in my son's room on his computer - didn't realize how many naked women pictures there are on the Internet...lol <img src="/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Haven't gone downstairs to my office. Haven't read posts...read your initial one and didn't see the sarcasm...although I did state that I was surprised that you were making the post cause it didn't read like you (outside of RD) I can't remember you riding onto a star and although happy with DA didn't think one could get to that conclusion from a half of play.

Did note DawgStyles sarcasm about Ohio...he left out all the Brady Quinn stuff we will have to go through the next 6 months...lol <img src="/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

ohhh...There's a ton..... <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Should I put a cat on his head, and let you play William Tell <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

While for yourself and many posters this is true Clay, the fact is Derden raises a legit point. As soon as I finished my victory lap aroudn the pub on Sunday (maaaaybe I was a little more than buzzed), my next thought was "Oh god, dawg talk is going to be filled with instant Derek Anderson fans."

Derden does touch on a legit point in that there's alot of fans on this board who have a one-game memory and make snap judgements.

BUT putting that aside, I don;t think many would say that Anderson should be anointed instant starter. He played great in the last quarter...absolutely. And he did look alot better than I thought. But it takes more than a quarter to make me a believer.

Part of me hopes he starts the Pittsburgh game just to see what we really have there. However, if Charlie is able to go, I still feel he gives us the best shot at winning and support him 100%

PS- I was scanning this post earlier and saw one of the new members of the DA fan club saying that something that made DA better was his "big hands"... priceless.

I thought your thread said you wanted to start Anderson?? <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />


But......he didn't, did he.


I saw two....one was designed, the other looked like it was improvised.


Maybe so.....but I still want to see him play because in the end, he has tools I like and want to see if he can be the guy.


Sorry man, you are my bud....but Frye can't come close to throwing the ball with the zip Anderson does. Sometimes the window is pretty small....and the difference between getting sacked knowing you can't make the throw and getting it in there....that last TD to Heiden is a good example.....Frye gets sacked by not throwing it or it gets batted or picked....it wouldn't have been a TD.....at least there.

I am not putting Charlie down, nor am I saying Anderson needs to be given the keys just yet....all I am saying is maybe we need to take a look.

J/C
I've been following the thread for since it's inception, and all I can say is, I'm very pleased the kid came in and played well enough for us too win. I'm not sold on Charlie yet, but I haven't written him off either. He is the starter, but, I will agree with one of the earlier posters, that DA may have cut some slack out of the leash. No more, no less IMHO.

Ok, this is my take, Anderson is the backup and should stay there, Frye is the starter and should stay there (for now) However, if Frye's wrist isn't healed by Thursday then Anderson should start but that does not mean I think Anderson should replace Frye as starter, I know you didn't say that either, I think Anderson has a stronger arm than Frye but that's about it.

Though I have to say I was surprised that the O Line was giving Frye much more time to throw the ball than Frye ever gets and I don't think KC's defense was laying back.

[color:"orange"] As someone said earlier, only time will tell.

The best thing that could happen is if Frye's wrist prevents him from playing Thursday. If DA is great against the squeelers then give him more playing time. If he sucks it up then we know he is nothing more than a backup

The worst thing that could happen is that Frye plays despite still having an injured wrist and he sucks it up because then we will have a real Qb controversy because no one will know about the injury still being a problem before the game and no one will believe it afterwards.

Someone said this is Frye's team. Well, no. We all want this to be his team. Whether it is because we are homers or want the local boy to do well or just want the Browns to have the same opening game Qb 2 yrs in a row. But Charlie hasn't played well enough to make this his team. If he had then we wouldn't be having this conversation.

So who do I like? Plain and simple. I don't know. One play Charlie does something that makes me say this kid could have a bright future then he turns around and has a horrible play. DA has shown me he has a very strong arm. Other than that we just don't know what he can and cannot do against an NFL defense. All I know is I want us to find a guy (or girl) with the talent to be our starting Qb, year in and year out with no questions asked, and I want us to finally have a team that goes in to every game with a good chance of winning and finally I want to win a Superbowl (I won't complain if we win 3 Superbowls in 4 years but I don't want to be greedy). [/color]

I hate to say this but I wish we would have lost yesterday.

I thought we might make it to the end of at least one season without a QB controversy.

the defense saved Anderson butt..after the int and all of you know it. there is no one on this board that can honestly say you wasn't screaming after the int., everyone probably went from throwing him under the bus to pulling out again and the defense is the one that gave him another chance. if Frye had threw the int. everyone would be talking about how he almost blew it again.

how many overthrows did he have.(Anderson)and also as someone else pointed out, most of Andersons yards was on a shuttle pass. also Frye pretty mush had 2 TD as Wright was 1 yd from scoring that would have gave Frye another TD.

this is only 1 example but does anyone remember when we were beating up on Marino putting him out of the game and Scott Mitchell( I could be wrong on the name) came out of no where beating us again..

where is he now... not that Frye is Marino but he deserves more than throwing him under the bus so soon. since most Browns fans think Kosor was the best QB that ever played the game its safe to say most of you have no clue what a good Qb is.

to most Browns fans its the last one that won. or the last one that looks good. how about when Couch gets us to the playoffs, gets hurt Holcomb comes in has big day against Steelers (loses) and becomes second coming of Joe Montana

I can honestly say I wasn't screaming...


How is wanting to see a guy get some reps throwing Charlie under a bus??

How old are you?? If you are over 12, you need to get the Charlie Frye posters down off the wall.

probably a lot older than you. yes I do like Frye but mostly I hate QB controversy

if you most know (40) and if your anywhere close to that age you should know this isn't going to be good for the Browns

qb contreversy never are

I saved it to my gif file in my PC.
Had it saved in my old tower. But haven't really needed it for a while.
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But I can see this one coming.
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still wating on your response Ballpeen... the Charlie Frye poster is still on my wall and i'm waiting for you to try and slam me again.

I'm not gonna get in the middle of y'alls debate, but you're definitely a youngin' compared to him. Peen would probably have his Golden Buckeye card if he lived up here <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

LOL....


I wish I was close to that age....I have it beat by too close to 20 years.

As i said earlier....controversy will always be a problem if your starter doesn't pull away from the back-up......you are old enough to know Montana himself created controversy because he couldn't pull far enough away when Young was his back-up...


I guess my point is if Frye can't pull away from anderson.....maybe that is telling us something.

1. Shame on you! There is no side issue important enough to be preferred ove winning. In thrilling, come-from-behind fashion. In overtime, no less.
(damn! there's never a "smackupsidethehead" smiley when ya need one! <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> )

2. There will only be a QB controversy if our Front Office allows it. Only the weakest, most ignorantly-run FO's would even think of caving in to pressure from Joe Sixpack and the bunch of know-nothing "spurts-writers" who lead every new foolish chant during a season.

I guess I can agree with some of your post... at least the part about leaving Charlie out from under the bus. Truthfully, after reading ALL these posts, I don't really detect that from most of our posters. Mostly, I see people who are intrigued with DA, because

1. He didn't stink it up
2. He won us a game
3. He was something new and different.

Like another poster wrote, I'm just glad to see that level of play from him... even if it was for only half a game. It showed that he can at least play as a backup, which hadn't been proven at all until yesterday. That in itself is enough for now... because that's all we ever need him to be- a temporary game-manager. Hey- kid's .1000 as a player in the NFL- I'll take it.

Biggest side note- yesterday's win was the first fully satisfying win all year, because it involved everyone. Playcalls, quicker QB reads, better OL protection, holding LJ to under 100, etc, etc... it's quite a long list of things which went right. Possibly the coolest thing of all- nobody had to be a superhero for it to happen.

We got to see a full-game effort from a complete team.
That's huge, folks.

I was simply saying i knew when Frye went out that if Anderson came in and went 1 for 20 and a td that there would be morons saying start Anderson

I am simply saying you can't honestly think becaus Anderson had a good game against the Chiefs that it will continue. the Chiefs played it safe with Anderson. I can't wait for this week after the Pitt game because this will all be over.

and no I won't be rooting for the Steelers just know Anderson won't look good against them.

What are you going to say IF Anderson leads us to another win? Or are you hoping for him to do bad?

if Anderson beats the Steelers that still won't mean he's better than Frye just that he beat the Steelers and that will make him better than Frye to all the couch qbs

Are you from Alabama??.....no joke.....I see your name....the ala.....just wondering....I have spent much time in Alabama

.....so you don't want Anderson to win, because you are afraid of someone being better than Frye? I'm with Peen on what he said earlier...I just don't get why people are so afraid of something POTENTIALLY being better than Frye...

no ohio ... sorry i must go got to go to work nice talking to you

also l love tenn. been there 3 times wonderful state'

There will be those people, mostly on the official site probably. I cant recall seeing anyone in this thread calling for Anderson in a serious manner. Either way people are not always going to agree, and their opinions will be out there. Not much you can really do about it other than ignore them. I dont buy into the fans power to start anything. Not with Crennel or Savage, or any NFL caliber coach/GM for that matter. If Anderson somehow won the job away it would be a good thing for us because it would mean we have improved as a team at one of the most important positions.

just afraid of qb contraversy

frye was having a good game also before he got hurt ( probably was already hurt) and still looked good

got to go got to get me some Anderson posters to put on my wall over the Frye posters

Yup. Even Dorsey might have looked good =)

I just wanna re-iterate what I said earlier, in hopes that it sparks something...

This does NOT mean Anderson is the guy, if anything, it shows that Frye ISN'T.

Both are 2nd year QB's, both got similar results yesterday, but I give the edge to Anderson since he got us the win and quite frankly I think Frye woulda run into a couple sacks which woulda killed drives. Since Frye wasn't head and shoulders above Anderson, it should raise some red flags.

Its nice how you can see a guy play 2 Quarters and know what he's all about. How does DA's performance suggest Frye isn't the guy.

Oh yea, DA's solid 30 minutes of play was enough. 30 minutes, against a crappy D. Are you serious?

Frye has played a whole lot more, a whole lot, multiple games. And you compare 30 minutes of Anderson to that. WTF?

Frye's had plenty of 30 minute spurts where he looked really good. Since I guess thats how we judge QB's, in 30 minute increments. <img src="/images/graemlins/rofl.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/rofl.gif" alt="" />

30 minutes, he showed us. 30 minutes. <img src="/images/graemlins/rofl.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/rofl.gif" alt="" />

Frye is our guy right now, I believe he is getting better, and I'll stick with him. Frye has had a decent year so far. He's won some, lost some, gone through 1 OC, a devastated OL, and now we are going to call him out that his season wasn't good enough compared to Andersons 30 MINUTES. <img src="/images/graemlins/rofl.gif" alt="" />

Honestly, I'm glad some of you are on this message board so I can laugh at your nitwit ideas.

30 minutes. <img src="/images/graemlins/rofl.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/rofl.gif" alt="" />

That is the dumbest thing ever, period.

Lets give Anderson a shot, cuz he played pretty good for 30 minutes against a horrible defense. Idiocy.

Hmm, 11-13 for 122 and a TD. Does it get any better than that for one half of play? I dont think so.

Anderson was a respectable 12-21 for 177 with 2 TDs and a nasty INT that nearly cost us the game. Not bad, but not in the same league either. Doesnt raise any red flags for me. Says alot more to me about the caliber of the KC defense than anything else. And using what if type of speculation is not helpful in any way shape or form. Fantasy has no bearing on what happens on the field.

It's not stats.

Who made quicker decisions? Who didn't run around like a chicken with his head cut off? Who got hit less? It was the same line, Frye got thrown around like he always does. Anderson stayed upright.

To say Frye had a good season is laughable, he'd be the lowest rated QB in the NFL if it weren't for Andrew Walter (who is a joke).

Anyone got a stopwatch and can compare release times? I swear Anderson made quicker decisions.

Again, all this debate will PROBABLY be all for nothing after Thursday, but IMO it's still worth speculating.

Who said that? Some times I swear other monitors are not showing the same thing mine is. <img src="/images/graemlins/rolleyes1.gif" alt="" />

I meant "decent season." My bad.

If this is decent, I don't wanna know what bad is.

Charlie's first drive yesterday 4/4 TD. finishes 11/13 1 TD.

He's got a better QB rating than Gradkowski, Brad Johnson, Jake Plummer, Vince Young, Jay Cutler, Aaron Brooks, Andrew Walter, & Joey Harrington.
(even though QB rating doesn't mean anything).

So he's not the worst in the league.

He does have happy feet, but he played very well yesterday, and I hope to see him back this week for Pittsburg.

I don't think Anderson was any quicker either. He may have thrown the ball harder--but thats about it.

Charlie statistically had a better game than Anderson, as well.

I really don't have a clue what you're talking about here? The professionals who annylize the practices and the talent on our team,seem to feel Charlie is our starter. They don't seem to see the issues you seem to claim. I'm not discarding your "opinion" as you're entitled to it,but I must trust the people who actually coach our team first.


Charlie has already done this in the eyes of our coaching staff. That works for me. Just because you see something you feel is there,won't make it so. Even the stats by these two QB's broken down in their perspective half's,don't back up your own theory.

And BTW- Tyler,
Diciplining a player for being an jerk and making such dumb public displays as BE did last week,is not a "knee jerk" reaction. It is expecting people who being paied big bucks to be professionals to act like professionals rather than being a distraction for the team.

That's a far different thing than starting a QB contreversy out of boredom and thinking you have an inside track over the coaching staff. Big difference.

How is that any different from giving Frye his shot at the same point in the 2005 season....Dilfer had 4 wins, got injured (and in Carthon's doghouse), Frye played the second half of game 11, then started the last five games of the year... Based on 30 mins...and Dilfer's injury....

Hmmmmm....That must mean that the reason Frye is playing is the result of idiocy too.... <img src="/images/graemlins/rofl.gif" alt="" />

let's try 1.000 <img src="/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

.1000 is 1 and 9... <img src="/images/graemlins/plthumbsdown.gif" alt="" />

No, what would have happened, is every sportswriter, and fan would be giving the "I told you we should have gotten a veteran QB backup" line.

Frye played well even though he was hurt.
Anderson played well and the Browns won a game.

It is a short week and the Browns play the Steelers Thursday night. Anderson will probably start. I hope everyone is focused upon getting Frye/Anderson ready for the game.

thanks, Charger.


now everyone knows what I meant... not just you&me.

The funny part is there is this debate at all. Frye and Anderson both suck and would not start for any other NFL team. <img src="/images/graemlins/rolleyes1.gif" alt="" />

We need a true franchise QB and untill we get one, we will be losers in the long run! <img src="/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

Please name one other NFL team that would be willing to trade for or start either one of these guys?