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So Cardale Jones was solely responsible for Ohio State's title?

I would like to know which games you have watched that make you think Hundley should be a first round pick.

Yeah.. In the 3rd round..

So Cardale Jones would have won the national championship with the 121st ranked defense in the country?

How do you get that out of what I wrote? He certainly was a component of it though.

We were simply speaking of QBs though, since that is the subject of the thread.

I would say that Cardale Jones outplayed the opponents defense.

He defeated Oregon's 31st ranked defense in the Championship game.

He defeated Alabama's 6th ranked defense in the Sugar Bowl.

He defeated Wisconsin's 18th ranked defense in the Big Ten Championship.

yep.

A Third string QB outplayed a Heisman trophy winner.

Because you said that Manziel didn't win the National Championship, so that means that his team had nothing to do with it.

That running back didn't have anything to do with these victories. All Cardale.

I made this comment January 23rd. Since then: Canfora's article about the Mess in Berea starts w Haslam out 02/03 and the Farmer responsible for texts to sidelines news was out 02/04.

I think most people are comfortable w the idea that these texts were at the behest of Haslam and Farmer is taking the hit for Haslam.

No one said anything about my initial comment. I have been on record as saying I am embarrassed to have Haslam as the owner of my beloved Cleveland Browns franchise. I took some crap on this board for saying that.. the one that did it knows who he is.

As I read various threads such as the 5 step plan for the Browns.. I see numerous comments to the effect of muzzle Haslam and Scheiner.. keep them OUT of player personnel decisions.. put their cell phones on airplane mode etc.. Now of a sudden it looks like I was right.

I will from now on address haslam in lower case. He's a crook, a thief and a meddlesome jackass. I would love for him to redeem himself a lil bit and hire a mentor for Farmer.. A Bill Polian or better yet, a Ron Wolf.

Please haslam, keep your damn mouth shut and quit ruining our franchise, let the football people do their jobs.

OK, Now I feel better

I have seen little about Hundley's performance that says that he will even be a capable NFL QB, let along a star QB.

I have trouble seeing hi getting into the 1st round. He has been mostly "stuck" in his development for years now, and has done little to improve.

What do you see that makes you think that he is a "nice QB prospect"?

True. But this similar report came out last year as well. Possibly AFTER Mariota said he was going back to Oregon. The AFTER part I'm not sure about but do know Farmer was tied to liking Mariota one year ago.

Edit: This article came out Feb. 11th, 2014....over two months after Mariota announced a return to Oregon. (No real need for smokescreens at that time, right?)

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000...us-mariota-best

I'm not saying these recent reports aren't a smokescreen but it's conceivable to think with what's been provided that there is some truth to Farmer *hearts* Mariota.

Wow you keep switching up the topic...

Your initial assertion that a couple of us jumped on was that Cardale Jones is better than Johnny Manziel because OSU won the national championship and Manziel didn't. That's pretty much exactly what you said.

I don't care what level of defense Jones beat, he did it with the 29th ranked defense behind him... Manziel was playing with the 121st ranked defense behind him.... Therefore, Manziel had to do more, score more, to win games than Jones did.

And by your definition, Jones is also better than Luck, he never won a national championship either.

I'd say that the Eagles are the most educated team regarding Mariota. Chip Kelly knows the boy pretty well.

Ok,, But I still think his former coach would know things that few could possibly know.

"Hard to call what kind of person and owner he is"
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The one thing that I will say about Haslam:

In regards to Pilot J. There is no way on God's green earth that Haslam was not aware of what was going on.

In a company like that no minor executive takes it upon himself to commit fraud. Nobody implements a plan like what was in place without Haslam knowing about it. There is just no way he was not aware of it and did not approve of it.

The reason he skated was because of the layers of insulation he had in place along with his legal team.

It may have nothing to do with the Browns but it still paints a clear picture of Haslam.

I forget the size of Pilot/Flying J but I seem to remember it's something in the area of 28 Billion in annual sales.

That's NOT a small company and believe me, there is EVERY possibility that he wasn't totally aware. For almost all of the year prior, he'd been consumed with the Browns.

Those executives involved were far from MINOR execs. So they did have the authority to make certain policies and make others stick to them.

Having said that, I agree that Haslam probably knew and he pretty much has skated.

From a Browns perspective, that's actually a good thing.. Can you imagine the mess if he'd have gone to jail or been required by the league to step down and had his father take over. The Dad is 80 something years old, what if he were to die?

Further confusion. So while I don't like the idea of a guy that I think did something illegal owning the Browns, it's actually the better of the known alternatives. And please don't say he should sell the team, Billions that want an NFL team don't grow on trees.

Besides, do you think that Jerry Jones is squeeky clean? How about Robert Kraft?

I know a lot about the owner of the Ravens. He's in the same business I'm in and in our industry, he's not at all well thought of at all. In fact he's know as a scuzball.

So what's the difference between Haslam and those guys?

Haslam got caught, Sort of!

Probably but keep in mind, Kelly recruited him, had him for one year, then Kelly left for the Iggles. Then Mariota played for 2 more years under somebody else.

So Kelly didn't have first hand knowledge of his progression from freshman to junior to see his evolution, his growth and development, etc.

So yea, he knows him better than any other pro coach, but it's not like he coached him for 3 or 4 years.

We are arguing over nothing of real importance, but what other Pro Coach coached him for more than 1 year? See what I mean.

1 year may not be 2 or 3 years, but it's 1 year more than anyone else in the pros

All of which I agreed with.

j/c...

This article probably fits here with the ongoing discussion on Mariota.


Complaints begin about Browns brazenly exploiting loophole

Posted by Mike Florio on February 11, 2015, 9:00 AM EST

If the Browns showed the same kind of reckless abandon on the field that their front office displays away from it, the team might actually become a contender.

At a time when the franchise is bracing for potentially significant penalties for violating the rules regarding in-game electronic communications, the Browns have jammed their way through a loophole that allows their technically-not-hired-yet quarterbacks coach to work with one of the top quarterback prospects in the draft — at a time when none of the other teams can even talk to him.

As noted earlier by Gantt, future Browns quarterbacks coach Kevin O’Connell currently is working with quarterback Marcus Mariota. Since the Browns haven’t officially hired O’Connell yet, the eventual employee can do things that he couldn’t do if he weren’t currently an employee.

“So let me get this straight,” a high-level executive with another team told PFT on Wednesday morning. “The Browns can have their quarterbacks coach in waiting work with a player, teach him the entire offense, etc., but we can’t even talk to any potential draft pick until the Combine per league rules? Something is wrong here.”

While the Browns have yet to publicly acknowledge that O’Connell will be getting the job, it has been widely reported that O’Connell will be getting the job. NFL Media, partially owned by the Browns, has reported that the Browns will hire O’Connell — and the Browns have never refuted it.

Even if the league looks the other way on this one, the know-it-when-you-see-it decision of the Browns to brazenly flaunt the rules won’t do much to encourage lenience when the time comes to drop the hammer over the brazen flaunting of the rules that resulted in G.M. Ray Farmer, either acting alone or at the behest of those above him (bet the over), to send text messages to the coaching staff during games.

Article

Interesting article to say the least. I can understand the Browns trying to get an inside track. I can also understand how the other 31 teams would see this as shady dealings.

I am okay being shady if it means we finally get a QB.

Rumor has it that the balls Mariota is practicing with only have 11 psi of air in them.. the Patriots are going to draft him.

Wrong. The balls are at 14.5 psi - he's going to Green Bay to sit behind Rogers for 3 years to learn.

Do you have three independent sources that suggest this?

i don't need links, i trust my eyes.

That's not what I'm saying. What I am saying is that Johnny Manziel couldn't get the job done. He supposedly knew what he was doing, winning a Heisman trophy along the way. Lots of QBs have won the Heisman trophy and weren't good NFL QBs.

Cardale has the size, intelligence and work ethic. I dare say that he's more intelligent and has a better work ethic than Manziel and that he'll be a starting QB in the NFL. That's more than Manziel can say.

I didn't say that. Zeke had a lot to do with it but how many folks say and agree with the belief that a QB is the most important position on the field?

I love Zeke, but isn't the topic QBs? Focus man. Focus.

I appreciate you trying to get back on topic, but none of this has anything to do with what you originally said.

You basically are saying Manziel should take all the blame for not winning a National Championship. Even though he was historically good and his defense was atrocious.

Furthermore, (though you have since backpedaled) you gave Cardale Jones all the credit for Ohio State winning the National Championship.

No one knows anything about Cardale Jones other than he played very well for three games with an outstanding supporting cast. If J.T. Barrett doesn't get hurt no one knows his name.

I stated that Cardale won a National Championship and that was more than Johnny Manziel could say. Yes. If I had a choice between Cardale Jones and Johnny Manziel, I would take Cardale Jones 100 times out of 100 for lots of reasons.



I'm not sure where you're getting these rankings. Yards are yards, but points are points. A&M's defense in 2013 was ranked 96th (of 125), giving up 32.2 ppg. However, when Manziel won his Heisman in 2012, the team had the 26th ranked defense (of 125), giving up just 21.8 ppg. There's also that other guy, a huge WR that bailed Manziel out and covered his flaws. His game doesn't translate to the NFL.



I didn't say that, but thanks for trying that ridiculous statement. If Luck were to get injured, Indy would be so screwed. If Manziel were to get injured, nobody would even notice.

When Braxton Miller got injured, many thought that was the Buckeyes year. J.T. Barrett stepped up and people forgot who Braxton Miller was. Then when J.T. Barrett got injured, people were saying (on this very message board) that their season was over. I might have been one of the few (maybe the only one) that wasn't concerned. I even wrote about it. Cardale Jones made people forget about J.T. Barrett.