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understand.. now answer me two questions:

1) Where did I even imply it made me a better fan that anyone else?

2) Where was it noted I was upset with anyone ?

Just curious.

And just to be clear...

I noted that I didn't worry about dysfunction because I don't worry about things I have no control over.

Hell I have a 18 year daughter and a 16 year old son.. I have enough dysfunction and worries to push the Browns WAAAAY down the list.

I think it was your tone. Authors call that "voice." My apologies if misread your voice.

Yeah I read tex the same way in that post.

No worries.

The salient point was players / coaches come and go... I have 45 employees ... they quit, leave, their reasons are many, some of those reasons I can control and do, others, wages, better jobs, moving etc. are things I cant control so I don't worry about it.

Anything that happens on the Browns I have no control over so I don't worry about.... its a sports team, nothing more.. Modell taught me that... the turd

Because I wont quit going to see my team due to dysfunction I am a better fan? Nah... not sure how you get that from a written tone.

I understand the angst of those that are not going back... hell I remember a game in the Bud Carson era where we got smoked and I tore every Browns poster I had off the wall, I burned my hats, noses and a jersey in the back yard.

I had a nice little room painted with Brown and orange strips... I took the next day off and repainted it ( little hint bright orange and dark brown take several coats to cover LOL).

I get the frustrations, I get the anger... I've thrown a shoe through a TV... I decided not to let those things bother me anymore... if you all think, I think that makes me a better fan... hardly.

I can get a voice... just ask these Texans about this damn Yankee.

Eh, I wasn't making a judgment, just misread what you were saying.

Cameron mentioned before last season that he wanted to play closer to home. See ya......watch for the head shots.

Please show me where he mentioned this.

FWIW: I don't know if/where it was ever officially mentioned by him, but I do recall reading it stated on here by other posters as much as 9 months ago.

He never said it. One of the beat writers speculated that he'd rather play closer to home.

A reporter speculated, STOP THE PRESSES LOL

Cameron would never say that out loud. He may indeed want to play close to home, but I doubt he'd say it in public.

Word is....

Oh no you didn't

I may actually prefer drafting Maxx Williams (Minn) over bringing Jordan back..

Jordan to me, isn't really a TE. He's a slow WR playing TE.

Add in the concussion worry, and I'd be ok with moving on..

This is the NFL If Cameron can find somebody crazy enough to give him more money and more gaurenteed money he would be crazy not to take it as one more knock on the head could be the end of his career. He has to look out for himself and his family. The Browns also have to lookout for themselves which means they should not offer more than they think he is worth at this time. I hope he resigns with Cleveland and plays for another 5 years, If not I wish him and his family nothing but the best in the future.

Well said, GM. I believe that is the hope of the majority of posters...

Let him walk and wish him well. I read that he was unlikely to resign here because he likes California, too. If we're honest, we have to acknowledge that there's no way a California guy (and his wife) is going to prefer Cleveland, especially when the team isn't good and doesn't have a QB. I's not like it is his "favorite team." That's why guys like Joe Haden are so special. They are loyal, and they have adopted us and they really want to be here and win.
I have concerns about Cameron's concussions, and anyway, we need a tight end who can block. Give be those big lumbering guys who catch it over the middle and lower the boom.

Cleveland Browns' Jordan Cameron doesn't get the franchise or transition tag

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2015/03/cleveland_browns_jordan_camero_12.html

By Mary Kay Cabot, Northeast Ohio Media Group on March 02, 2015 at 5:09 PM, updated March 02, 2015 at 10:25 PM

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Browns tight end Jordan Cameron made it to 4 p.m. Monday without getting the franchise or transition tag, meaning he'll likely hit the open agent market on March 10.

The Browns, who opted not to use the tags on anyone this year, can continue to negotiate with Cameron right up through the start of free agency, but other teams can begin calling his agent, Tom Condon, on Saturday.

Cameron, who made the Pro Bowl in 2013, is expected to attract plenty of attention and a lucrative salary on the open market. Jason LaCanfora of CBS Sports reported last month that Cameron doesn't want to remain with the Browns, but owner Jimmy Haslam disputed that in an interview Feb. 11.

"Let me just say that I don't think that's accurate,'' Haslam said. "I'll just leave it at that. We've got several free agents, really good people, really good players that we're going through that process with right now. We're talking to all if our guys all the time, almost on a daily basis, particularly now.''

The franchise number for free agent tight ends -- the average of the top five salaries at the position -- in 2015 is $8.347 million. That's a far cry from the $1,431,000 Cameron made in 2014.

A fourth-round pick of the Browns in 2011 from Southern Cal, Cameron received a four-year rookie deal worth $2,517,400, or an average of $629,350 per year.

More of a receiving tight end than a blocker, Cameron followed the lead of Saints tight end Jimmy Graham last year and changed his twitter handle to "Pro Bowl pass catcher'' in the event he was franchised as a tight end and wanted to be considered a receiver. The franchise number for wide receivers this year is about $13 million.

Graham lost his grievance and was franchised as a tight end, but cashed in big, reaching a deal with the Saints that makes him the highest-paid player in the NFL at his position at $11 million a year.

If the Browns had opted to transition Cameron, they would've had to pay him at least $7.071 million this season unless they chose to match whatever offer he received from another team. The fact that they did nothing means he'll probably test the waters and likely receive some intriguing opportunities.

After the season, Cameron acknowledged he'd be sad if he didn't come back.

"I love these guys, I love playing with these guys,'' said Cameron. "You're with them every day. I play for my teammates and I've always been like that. It would be a hard thing.... (but) there's a lot of things that go into it. It's not just me wanting to come back, there's a lot of situations. We'll take it from there. it's up in the air.''

One tight end, Charles Clay of the Dolphins, did receive the transition tag, meaning a team can make him an offer but the Dolphins can match. Despite nagging injuries last season, Clay caught 58 passes for 605 yards and three TDs. But Haslam said the Browns won't be big players in free agency this year, and Clay will likely fetch a tidy sum.

Cameron, 26, is coming off a rough season in which he missed five games with a concussion and one with a shoulder injury. He was limited to 24 receptions for 424 yards and two TDs. He caught 80 passes for 917 yards and seven TDs the year before.

The concussion was his third in less than two years, but he stressed it wouldn't impact his free agency because doctors told him once he recovered fully he was fine.

"I spoke to two neurologists and they said, 'Your baseline from six years ago is the same as now. You won't get any lost memory. Everything is the exact same as it was six years ago,' '' he said after his concussion this season. "Now the main thing they say is if you come back too early and you get another concussion, if you get hit again and get a concussion, that's when you see the damage when I'm 50 years old. And I wouldn't come back. I've got this little guy [taps picture of son in locker]. I wouldn't come back if I felt like I was in danger of not being there for him."

He also noted that he never considered retiring.

"No, definitely not. Not once,'' he said. "The last two years, I've had a whole offseason to recover and I felt nothing. I'm not looking at the TV like 'I can't see.' I'm not having conversations and blank staring at people. I'm fully back to normal.''

He said teams will know that he suffered the concussions on big blows to the head.

"It's not like I'm a fragile person,'' he said. "It's not like I take a little hit and I get a concussion. I've taken some stuff that's serious and if anyone was in this situation they'd get a concussion.''

Other top tight ends set to hit the market include Cincinnati's Jermaine Gresham (62 receptions, 460 yards, 5 TDs) and Denver's Julius Thomas (48 catches, 489 yards 12 TDs). Both figure to hit it big come March 10.

The Browns never seriously considered franchising cornerback Buster Skrine, who would've received at least $13.075 million for 2015 if they had.




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Seriously?

Cleveland Browns: Jordan, we are franchising you.

Cameron: As a wide receiver?

Cleveland Browns: No, as a tight end.

Cameron: Didn't you see my twitter handle?

Cleveland Browns: (Checks internet). Oh, our mistake. We'll fix the paperwork right away!

My biggest problem with Cameron is he cannot block...at all. Watched too many plays get blown up last year because he completely wiffed on his block. He may be worth that money with a team like the pats or broncos pass happy attack but I don't seeing fitting our run heavy scheme. Let him walk.

Yeah, until he takes a big hit and is sidelined for month for concussion symptoms.

pfft one year wonder with a coaching staff that makes the best out of TEs. never happen again in the short time he will still be in the nfl.

I'm thinking the same sorta thing: he is one or two concussions away from it being ALL over, he won't be able to or just should not play anymore [after that], so just let him walk.

Contributed little, blocking bypass, and lived on the bench. Not very gung-ho on team so far. We can get by without him and his next (possibly) career-ending concussion.

See ya Cameron. Watch your head on the way out.

If he wants to play elsewhere let him go

This is the worst logic ever.

Why?

1.He doesn't want to be here, he wants to be on the west coast ...
2. he is trying to break the bank ...
3. He is 1-2 concussions away from retirement

It's what we did with Shanahan.

I too am kind of interested in this response. Me personally, if you don't want to be here, get the Hell out. We need passionate and dedicated people here to make the train move. If you don't want to be here, I highly doubt you'd be either passionate or dedicated.

I understand the injury argument.

Would you have been okay to let Alex Mack leave for the reasons above? He wanted to leave and we didn't let him.

I think that situation is a little different. Coaches can affect the entire team if they don't want to be around. Also, it seems like Pettine didn't really want Shanahan around anymore anyway.

Awesome.