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I have never seen a fan base not be able to forget about a kicker before. This is sad. Not a QB, not a RB, hell not even a OLineman, but a freakin kicker! lol

Even though Dawson is up there in age, there is merit to this thought given the state of Brown's kickers.

Not if he wants the same pay rate he has been getting.

Not really, cause when you look at the kicker salaries all the veteran kickers are making over $1,500,000 a year the only ones making less are the young guys who were just drafted or guys who have bounced around the league. The league veteran minimum for players with 10 years or more experience is just under a 1 mill a year. As they say you get what you pay for.

I certainly wouldn't take him back for $4 million a year. Or $3 mil.

He was here. He was a Brown. He chose to chase the money closer to where he lived. (Texas IS a bit closer to Cal. than Ohio is). Looks like chasing that money elsewhere is now biting him. Sure, he has the money.

I don't want him back. He's another year older than last year, and how many years older than when he last played here?

LThe niners can keep him - if he was all that, they would........or they can cut him, which it looks like they might do.

Hey, he was great while he was here. He's not here now.....left for money and to "be nearer" his famoly. Maybe dallas should sign him.

I'd take him back at for a year or two at the League average, for a PK, or a little more. He'd be better than what we have, and he could then retire as a Brown. Its a good fit, unless you think Garrett Hartley is all that, which I don't.

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Find a young kicker, keep him until he needs to get paid, let him go. Wash, rinse, repeat.

hehe. My comment was in jest. Would I take him back for the right price? Certainly. He can't be any worse than what we had last year.

it makes less sense to get him now than it did to keep him two years ago though.

The browns have plenty of cap space.. If he's the best option, pay the man and bring him back..

Phil left Cleveland because he was not even offered a contract. It was either retire or play some place else.

With Dawson we would have been 9-7 or 10-6.

What other position can you be +2 or +3 wins. What other position can you do that for a $3MM delta in cap? Maybe RB if you get really lucky?

Easier said then done. Just checking the last 8 drafts you know how many Kickers are still with the team that drafted them........out of 16 drafted Kickers only 5 are still on the team they were drafted by. The other 11 have bounced around the league or are out of football.

Be a better team and the kicker is taken out of the equation. While we lost games because the we missed field goals, the game was not close because we had a bad kicker. The game was close because the rest of our team was average.

Kickers are the most replaceable players on the team and there are plenty readily available.

I got no problem forgetting that one... Sam Bradford is not someone the city of Cleveland needs. A lot of hope, potential and etc but with that nagging inability to stay healthy.

So you are saying don't spend 3 million to upgrade 1 position to win 2 or 3 more games, spend way more tHan that and upgrade a whole bunch of positions and win 2 or 3 more games?

Fisher is going to get fired because he refused to give up on Bradford.

I would have been willing to consider Bradford a legitimate option if he was willing to take a one year deal with almost no real money.

cfrs15 .... so a current starting QB shoudl come play for the Browns for free and kickers with a high rate of success are a dime a dozen so we should just keep using the same chump that lost us 3 games last season...

lol and you wonder why no one listens to you at times.

I mean, "C'MON MAN!"

Yet for the last 2 seasons we had a guy who couldn't kick over 50 yrds. While I understand your caution about over valuing the importance of a kicker, respectfully I think you swing to far the other direction. What happens WHEN we end up in the Super Bowl next year and it comes down to a FG? It's the leagues 2 best teams squaring off. You're (likely) not talking about average play being the reason you lost. Having a good, reliable kicker can be that slim edge that puts you in the W column and its someone even the best teams rely on from time to time.

There's always talk about how a team NEEDS a #1 WR... I think having a u who can consistently hit 53yrds + is a necessity.

Our current PK played 2 games for us last year, IIRC.

Where did I say Bradford should do that? I don't think Bradford should do play for no money. He should get as much money as he can. I just wouldn't have him on my team for any real money because he can't stay healthy.

As far as kickers go, I would love to have a good one. I just don't want to pay any significant money to a position that is easy to find replacement and is volatile year-to-year.

We are talking about free agents for the Browns by saying you would not pay a viable started like bradford a starter's wage your not being realistic and showing no respect for the QB position IMHO. health issues or not he is a good QB and way better than anything we have had in probably 20 years. The fact you would not want a serious upgrade at the QB position shows you don't value QB's enough IMHO.

We have no starting calibur QB on this team. Period. I don't see one in the works either. It doesn't look good.

Kickers are neither easy to find or to replace. Your very misguided or informed about this. We lost 3 games last season because our kicker sucks and he was the best we could find. I'd have been more than willing to pay even 5 million to have those 3 losses to have been wins and probably gotten to the playoffs.

Great Kickers will put more points than almost any other player on the team except the QB. With our QBs they would probably score even more. Plus your offense an coaches will player more aggressive and better football if they know all they have to do is get to the 40 yard line and we have 3 points. You add up the points we threw away because we didn't event want to try to get into kicking range last season and we probably come away with an extra 2 wins. In reality its very possible we would have won an extra 5 games last season and own our division.

That's how important a great kicker is. I'd love it if we got a great one this year in the draft. he would score more points than anyone else we would draft that is for sure and would help our defense a TON.

I do not undervalue QBs. I do not value Bradford. He has been "OK" when he has played. He has not played in a regular season football game since October 20th, 2013. I agree with you about Bradford being more talented than any of our old QBs, and if you go back and look I was advocating for him as our QB last off-season, I just don't think he can stay healthy and I don't know what he looks like healthy.

If kickers are so valuable, why aren't they paid more? Why aren't they drafted higher (or at all)? Why do teams regularly let their kickers leave?

They aren't paid because while valuable they don't see the field that often, same reason for being drafted late. As for why they are regularly let go, that's because there aren't enough quality kickers in the league so all those teams are still searching for one. If you look at the top Kickers to ever play all were with 1 team for a long period of time. So when a team found a good one they hung on to them.

So players that aren't on the field as much as other players aren't as valuable?

Didn't say that, I said they aren't paid as much.

It's the superbowl, it's forth down, you are down by 2 points, you are barely within field goal range. A FG gets you the win and the Lombardi.

How much is your kicker worth?

Depends on if he makes it. Hopefully you spent enough to bag the trophy.

Nobody complains their kicker is just too entirely good and accurate. Your point is well made and well taken.

But if they aren't paid as much, wouldn't that imply they aren't as valuable?

Careful there! Sounds like Ray Farmer talking about another position... lol

We agree on something eo. I would love to have Bradford assuming our OL could keep him vertical.

I would love to have Bradford too. Basically for those reasons and a change of scenery for him. Maybe getting him outside of the dome/art. turf would help also?

Bradford tore his ACL on grass both times. He is fragile, a change of scenery won't help that.

It is a moot point anyway, Fisher is going down with the Bradford ship.

Who will the Rams hire as head coach their first season in L.A.? Grudges seems like a good fit for that scene.

Keith Rivers was released from Buffalo yesterday. It's on their official website. Buffalo is going back to a 3-4 and he wasn't a good fit.

another pettine guy we may see here?

My question is this, is Bradford still an awesome talent after his knee was shredded twice?