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This is not intended to be an attack on KS, but can anyone on this board come up with 32 reasons why they would leave their job? No side/person is totally right nor totally wrong, but something just doesn't resonate right here.

Speaking of morals, Shanny was talking to other teams about employment while he was employed by the Browns and still under contract. That doesn't demonstrate a lot of integrity.

And I just read this morning that Pettine regretted hiring Shanny last year and wished he would have went with his gut and hired DeFlip last year.

And since Shanny and Banner have likely been the two main sources for the recent bashing, that would have prevented a lot of what we are reading and hearing now.

At what site did you read this? I'd be interested to read it as well.

Check your PMs.

guess its a secret for a select few?

They may actually have made a worse trade than the Trich trade the same year... in 2013 the Colts traded Jerry Hughes for Kelvin Sheppard. Amazing.

And yet, the Colts were in the playoffs the past three seasons and the Bills & Browns were not.

Savvy trades aren't all that, it seems.

Because Quarterback.

Speaking of that, shouldn't the NFL be looking into which teams he was talking with? Wouldn't that constitutes tampering? Personally, I think that is worse than Farmer texting the sidelines

What that amounts to is people taking media rumors they decide paints the picture they want to see as true and reports they don't like as false.

It's a business.

Based on all I've read about Shanahan, I'm not going to shed a tear over losing him, but I'm not going to fault him for covering his bases in an industry that has the turnover rate of a restaurant.

And they didn't replace Curley with Shemp.

Recent troubles remind Browns need Justin Gilbert to pan out

CLEVELAND -- Josh Gordon's year-long suspension and Johnny Manziel's boiling point that prompted his recent entrance into treatment amplifies the Browns' need for Justin Gilbert to work out in Cleveland.

At least Gilbert, who as a rookie failed to maximize his enormous potential as a No. 8 overall pick, has stayed out of the headlines recently. He's been fairly inactive on social media since the season ended.


Gilbert
For as crucial as this offseason is for Manziel, it's equally so for Gilbert, who struggled mightily transitioning to NFL life as a rookie.

If Gilbert takes Donte Whitner's advice to "grow up" in the offseason, this would be welcome news for a franchise marred by perceived incompetence in the front office in the past month.

Among the three Browns' rookies that struggled with maturity issues in 2014 (Manziel, Gilbert, Terrance West), Gilbert might have been the most problematic when it came to timeliness. One source said Gilbert was either late for or absent from multiple team activities during the season, including a missed meeting on the final week that prompted his suspension in Week 17 at Baltimore.

A running theme from the Browns this past season was that Gilbert's transition from the defensive scheme at Oklahoma State to the Browns' technique-heavy, press-man system would be a difficult one. When coupled with lack of preparation, that transition stood no chance.

While Manziel's recovery from treatment and his lackluster rookie season could force the Browns to move on at quarterback, the Browns will likely give Gilbert at least another year to figure it out. Buster Skrine has created a competitive free-agency market. He might not return to Cleveland. If he goes, that leaves Joe Haden on the outside, K'Waun Williams in the slot, Gilbert and fourth-round pick Pierre Desir. To make that quartet work, the Browns would need more from Gilbert than they got a season ago.

Ray Farmer's debut rookie class depends on it.

http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-browns...=espnapi_public

Provide the link or delete it. It's a rumor. Not a fact.

You pay for articles, written by "bozos" and then act like it is gospel.

Quote the article.

Jay Glazer reported it. He's a rather credible source.

This tweet from Glazer is from 1/7/15

Jay GlazerVerified account
‏@JayGlazer
"@sblamy12: @JayGlazer Jay what is the real info on Kyle S. and the Browns. Thanks">he's been trying to get out

Link

The next day it was officially reported by Alex Marvez that Shanahan and the Browns had parted ways.

Tweet from 1/8/15

Alex Marvez Verified account
‏@alexmarvez
Source tells @NFLonFOX that @Browns are parting ways with OC Kyle Shanahan after 1 season. Announcement is imminent

Link


Just providing the information. Make of it what you will.

I did not see anything in those links stating that Shanahan was talking with other teams while under contract. Just that he and Browns were going to part ways and places he could end up.

You won't see that directly confirmed in any report. Otherwise, a team would be charged with tampering and would be under NFL investigation. However, deductive reasoning can be applied from Glazer's comments.

Like I said, make of it what you will.

I just don't see it. It wasn't even Jay Glazer that mentioned any teams, just some dudes speculating.

Maybe you misunderstood?

Jay Glazer stated: "He's been trying to get out."

Glazer made this comment before Shanahan had parted ways with the Browns.

So, did Shanahan purposefully do a bad job down the stretch trying to get fired?

There has been a lot of this lately. It has been a bone of contention with me all along. So much has been unsubstantiated rumor; I prefer to wait until the facts surface at which time I will change my position, or not...

Which was supposed to be due to front office meddling and the chaos they seem to be in. This "He's been trying to get out" is a far cry from the he was talking to other teams bs that is being talked about here. Your post was a response when verse was asking for links to that so that is how I read it.

This media gang banging goes beyond reporting to the point of assault. Even if true, the details and facts can be presented more than one way, or be beyond biased to the point of personal hostility. This degree of malice afterthought is inexcusable professionally. Thanks for presenting this, be some unnamed sources would be willing to can this reporter for this type of journalism.
Toady for the post-Browns it appears to me.

I agree with your take 100%. I'll be honest, I often skip your posts because the yellow burns my eyes- but I'm glad I read you this morning. I got slammed by the board bully a few days ago for saying basically the same thing. This texting thing could have been handled in house- Shanny leaked it. And now he is gone. Farmer was stupid, and will be punished accordingly. We'll move on.

But mac, while apparently obvious (perhaps even true), this is what I have been preaching against for the past several days. We are speculating, short of slandering, people in our organization who are trying their darnest to make us a success. We need facts, not rumors or innuendo; given time they will surface...

You do realize the Browns have not made the playoffs since 2002.
theres a reason(s) for that.
what makes you believe the Browns are ready to get out the bottom of the AFC North?
look around the NFL. do see any other franchises are dealing with the same issues the Browns are dealing with now?
I don't.All the AFC North teams made the playoffs so that eliminates them.
sorry no other NFL franchise is looking at the Browns and going "wow we need to model our franchise after the Browns"
the same story lines continue for the Browns.
Questions at QB.
lack of playmakers at WR
no run defense
coordinators coming and going.
a GM that has no reason being a GM.
totally missing on 1st RD draft picks.

the one thing the Browns do have is a darn good football coach.
but all around him can't get on the same page then his talents as a HC will be
all for not.
what are you gonna preach in 2015 when the Browns miss the playoffs yet again?

That's fair.

On a side note, Lane Adkins was on 92.3FM this morning discussing the LaCanfora article, the Shananhan ordeal and the Browns FO. If anyone is interested in listening, here is the link to audio:

Audio Link

That's cute Pit. Why don't we just both man up and stop lobbing indirect bombs at each other in this passive aggressive way? You said you don't care what posters think of you yet you've been ticked off since I said you've gone off the deep end.

Let's get a few things straight. For starters, what you just accused me of, your quote above about taking what paints the picture they want to see as true, take a look in the mirror. You've been "connecting the dots" for weeks on what you believe is true and have latched on to anything that will support that.

I haven't latched on to anything other than there are two sides to every story and I feel that what has been put out in the media lately is biased, over the top, piling on like I've never seen journalism. I am not claimimg there aren't problems inside Berea. I am not latching onto anything. What I am fighting against is this incessant need on a yearly basis to fire everyone that didn't match yours or everyone else's expectations. This constant need for perfection is startling. And people feel that after one year, they know the measure of a man's competence. There have been only two constants in the last 15 years ....change and losing. The losing won't stop until the changing does. Guys make mistakes. It's how they respond to those mistakes that matter. I'd like to give these guys a chance to respond so we don't have to go through more change.

The reason I made the deep end comment is because you're a well respected poster that I expect better from. We all expect non sensical, raving lunatic posts from Vers. We all expect Vers to pick a side and ignore anything that supports the opposite. While you present yourself in a much different light, I am surprised you have taken the approach that things are only one way....that you've "connected the dots"....and there aren't two sides to the story. That's not the Pit that I remember around here. I remember a guy that is much more reasonable.

And to all on the board, I will say this again. You can subscribe to the Insider section of the OBR for $10/month....two Starbucks visits. I believe there are a few others on here who subscribe. I cannot link paid material. If I said "I read..." without a link that is why. Take those posts in whatever manner you want to as you do with a posted article. It's just more information.

Great listen. Very fair take on everything. I encourage all to listen to it.

A few interesting tidbits there, but nothing groundbreaking that hasn't already been speculated about on this board. He was not particularly complimentary about Shanahan though. In summary, I know very little more than I did 15 minutes ago...

REALLY?

I mean REALLY?

Prove it!

Would you like me to sing what he said? lol...

J/C ..... there was a report, and I am not going to try to find it now, but I did post it way back when this mess started, and it seems that the Browns were looking, quietly, at OC candidates before Shanahan asked out. I think that this truly was a mutual parting. Sometimes 2 coaches just do not get along, for whatever reason. We go looking for reasons, but who really knows? It is just as likely that Shanahan took offense to the idea that Pettine was going to be more involved on the offensive side of the ball next year. Maybe he didn't like working for a rookie head coach. Maybe all of these factors joined together with he publicized problems. Who knows? No one is likely to tell all anytime soon, and fans will largely forget most of what happened in a few years.

I just hope that things work out well for the team.

More insults.

How do you explain how many times I have been right over the years if my posts are "non sensical" and I just "pick a side?"

You guys project your own flaws onto me. You have been running around here crying about how you guys will get your wish and everyone will be fired... for quite some time.

Look.........blaming LaCanafora and Shanny for the problems the Browns are having is IGNORANT. Neither one is with the Browns. They aren't going to have any say on how this franchise moves forward. The problems the Browns have are going to still be here. No amount of posturing by you guys is going to change that.

Just like it didn't during the Gordon situation, when dozens and dozens and dozens of posters made the same stupid argument. Oh, it's Goodall's fault. The rule is stupid. What about Ray Rice?

And.......just as it did w/Weeden and TRich. One excuse after another. Blame this person, blame that person. Exonerate those two guys at all costs.

I constantly gotta read crap like you just did. And then when the results pour in........instead of perhaps opening your mind [no, I don't want to hear I was right] the next time a debate is opened, you guys resort back to the same low-ball tactics that you always do.

And that is why I find you guys despicable.

So...........you can't find that report. And it was "a report," and you are going to believe one single report that may or may not have existed as gospel, yet you are going to dismiss every other report that paints a different picture and call the authors of those reports---bozos?

That is interesting logic.

And no, my comments are not just to you........they are to all those guys who think [sic] the same way.

Nah, I know what it said, and I posted it here on the boards. Maybe if I feel up to going through a Google search later on I'll try to find it.

I am not saying anything except that I remember the report. Take it for whatever it's worth. If you choose to reject it, that's your right.