DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Farmer Responsible For Text To Sidelines: Browns Coud Lose Draft Picks

You are entitled to your opinion. I really don't see anyone calling you a homer, though. Well, other than you.

Yes, we do have a free mind and can make our own evaluations.

Yes, you do try and use logic to make your points. However, that doesn't mean we don't use logic to make our points.

Here a few logical deductions:

--The Browns had a losing record for the 7th or 8th straight year.

--The QB position is a mess.

--Our owner is being investigated by the feds for a serious crime.

--Our GM texted the sidelines, which is against the rules.

--Our top playmaker is suspended for the year.

--Our first round QB from a year ago is in rehab.

--Our other first round pick repeatedly showed up late for practices and meetings and said he would rather sleep than study.

--We finished last in the division again.

--We had a losing record in the division again.

--Our GM and Team President sat in on film sessions w/the coaches.

--Our former OC made a 32 point plan to present to Haslam because he wanted out so bad.

--The FO wanted to control who played and wanted to make all the roster moves.

--We are constantly in the news for all the wrong reasons.

Now, I am not trying to change your mind, but you can't tell me that those of us who question the direction of the FO are making things up and not using the available information to deduce logical conclusions.

I too, think we are a team of destiny. I just think our destination is going to be right back to where the road always takes us. In the freaking basement w/a lot of excuses being bandied about and very few positive results.

Again, I do not care if you see it differently, but you aren't changing my mind by acting like I am illogical or crying. We have been down this road before, tab. The road is not straight. It's one big circular drive. And 'round and 'round we go.

I just may, but what business is that of yours?

And shut-up about crying. You cried for the entire time Banner was here. You never said one positive thing. Please......

The bottom line is the Browns FO and coaching staff needs to do 2 things find a QB and start winning. It looks like they have decided on the direction of the team. They want a power running game and use the play action pass off that run game on offense. On defense they want to limit the other teams passing game and force interceptions.

Then the players signed in free agency and the draft should fit that model. But, without a QB this team will not win enough to stop looking foolish and dysfunctional.

Heck, the Patriots just won the Super Bowl and have had more cheating/tampering scandals than any other team. The difference between them and the Browns = QB.

I agree with most of this... they do have jut a little better head coach too.

They also have a culture of winning while we have a culture of losing.

That is huge!

Vers, I am curious about something.

You have talked up the Falcons so much, but what did their owner do this past season? He did something in violation of the rules, and something that can impact the play on the field.

He pumped in fake crowd noise. What punishment do you think the Falcons (and their owner) deserve for this pretty blatant violation of the rules, and one that definitely could impact the competitive balance between the team and their opponents.

I am just curious. You seem to blast everything the Browns do, so I wonder how you feel about this.

I am a Brown's fan, not an Atlanta Falcon fan. I really don't give a rat's butt about Atlanta. They don't really have anything to do w/the success of the Browns, just like LaCanafora and Shanny aren't to blame for the problems the Browns have. They are just convenient excuses for guys who are either in denial or trying to deceive others.

With that said.........I think that is a serious rule infraction and the team should be hammered for it.

I don't think texting down to the sideline is a horrible violation of the rules. It's not a big deal in that regard. I just think it shows how arrogant, stupid, and controlling our FO is. My opinion on this has nothing to do w/the rules. It has everything to do w/recognizing that there are problems in Berea.

Those problems won't get fixed if we ignore them or blame others, just like Gordon's problems did not disappear when most of you were blaming the NFL, Goodall, Ray Rice, etc.

One typically needs a rather large event to occur before they decide to make significant changes. Excusing poor behavior only encourages further poor behavior.

I agree with all of that.

That's fair enough.

I hate to break it to people on here, but we may have to wait until next year te "get the QB" considering the Draft crop and what's in FA. If you want to win in the immediate future, I would hope that we find some way to sign Hoyer to a short term starting deal. Something front loaded to carry us for a couple years while we continue to put pieces around the QB would be a good recipe for success. We've not tried that since 1999...who knows what may happen.

Texting to the sidelines to me is nothing at all. Texting to OC and questioning his playcalling during the game is overstepping his boundaries and completely unprofessional. I would have gone off and probably done it publicly. Went Buddy Ryan on his ass lol.