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http://www.vox.com/2015/2/11/8019155/ran...ntent=wednesday

An interesting article that goes above the normal political bickering on here....

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A few weeks ago, I had the chance to interview the President of the United States. Among other things, I asked him if he thought the media exaggerates the threat posed by terrorism relative to other national security problems. He largely agreed with my premise, which I thought was interesting, but he also said something rather banal — violent terrorist attacks are both scary and morally wrong:

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It is entirely legitimate for the American people to be deeply concerned when you've got a bunch of violent, vicious zealots who behead people or randomly shoot a bunch of folks in a deli in Paris.


That became the most controversial line in the entire transcript. The shooting at the Kosher market, after all, wasn't random — a point Obama had actually made before, the idea was to go to a Kosher market to kill some Jews. Then White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest and State Department Spokesperson Jen Psaki got asked about it at their respective Tuesday afternoon briefings. For whatever reason, both Psaki and Earnest offered very awkward replies that made it A Bigger Gaffe. By the early evening, Psaki walked it all back and it appears that Randomgate is now behind us.

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We have always been clear that the attack on the kosher grocery store was an anti-semitic attack that took the lives of innocent people.

— Jen Psaki (@statedeptspox) February 10, 2015


This is the problem with gaffe-coverage: it's sound and fury, signifying nothing and leaving nothing behind. Worse, it distracts from more consequential, but complicated, debates.

In Vox's interview, Obama contended that terrorism is "absolutely" over-hyped compared to a threat like climate change or epidemic disease. This is something Obama said, as far as I can tell, because he thinks it's true.

Similarly, Obama argued that "redistribution" is now, and always has been, a good in and of itself. He seemed to endorse all-payer rate setting, or something close to it, which would take the United States' health-care system nearer to single payer than Obamacare ever considered. He called for a constitutional amendment to overhaul campaign finance. He suggested we should take some of the money we're currently spending on the military and move it to foreign aid, and that doing so would actually help us achieve our national security goals.

These are all incredibly controversial opinions. The question of who is right and who is wrong on them has huge stakes for national policy. They would be good things to debate! But instead we got Randomgate.

Gaffe politics has no particular partisan valence. Back in 2011, a heckler suggested to Mitt Romney that taxes on "corporations" could pay for spending.

Romney responded that "corporations are people" — i.e., that ultimately higher corporate tax rates are paid by the owners, workers, and consumers of the firms that are taxed. This is a point whose truth is essentially indisputable, but once it was lodged by Romney's enemies as an official gaffe coverage of it became ubiquitous. Romney's incredibly under-described actual tax policy agenda got much less coverage.

The psychological and economic roots of these gaffe-storms aren't difficult to understand.

On the one hand, the ravages of the partisan mind make them seem all too real. I got many emails and tweets from Obama detractors who were genuinely troubled by the president's determination to cover up the existence of anti-semitism in Europe, while not troubled enough to bother looking up any of his administration's statements on the matter. Several attributed anti-Jewish bias not just to Obama but to me (I am Jewish). And none of them were putting on a show for partisan gain. They were just trapped in the miasma.

On the other hand, in an internet world of limited time but unlimited newshole the "gaffe" story offers easy content. Parsing the Romney tax agenda requires some knowledge of complicated issues and time spent with relevant experts. Noting that corporations are not, in fact, members of the species Homo sapiens, by contrast, is easy.

Last, though much about the media landscape has changed, the old-time division between "news" and "opinion" continues to saddle much mainstream political coverage with a perverse bias toward tactics and process. According to traditional journalistic strictures, that a politician gaffed is a fact (see, everyone is talking about the gaffe!) while the fact that a politician's agenda might be bad for the world is opinion (his party says his agenda would be awesome!).

This is why we can't have interesting politicians

Long-term, the problem here isn't just news consumers find themselves listening to bullshit gaffe stories. It's that politicians learn the same lessons over and over again: unscripted moments are dangerous and generally to be avoided. Don't give interviews and don't stray from talking points.

The media will bemoan lack of access and robotic, scripted answers. But it will also punish deviations from the script. And it will do so in the most trivial ways. No minds were changed during Randomgate, and nobody learned anything. A couple of spokespeople had a bad afternoon. Some websites (including this one) got some extra pageviews. And every politician learned to be that much more boring in the future.


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The media will bemoan lack of access and robotic, scripted answers. But it will also punish deviations from the script. And it will do so in the most trivial ways


Wonderful way of putting it.

In Pure Football, everyone would nod.

In Everything Else, it will be someone else's launching off point to express why they don't like Media Outlet and/or Politician X.

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it is funny how when a politician, right or wrong, says something that we know is what they truly mean, they get slammed for it.

it's like we want the truth, but not really.


Man....Joe Thomas says the same crap over and over again. we all know he doesn't mean it. its the company line.

then richard sherman goes out and says how he really feels, and everybody loses their...


its now to the point that we've become zombies.


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One of my favorite candidates from the past national election cycle was Rick Santorum.

I had issues and questions with almost every political stance he took. I found him to be at once frustrating, provocative, intriguing... and even comical.

But NEVER ONCE did I find him insincere. I always felt that he led with his first thought about almost everything.

It actually made me want to sit down with him over beers, and talk much long about stuff.

No doubt I'd try to poke him on issues that I saw differently, and no doubt I'd try to get deep into issues to see how much he'd actually thought through them...

... but he always seemed REAL to me. Pretty much, what you see is what you'd get.

I can always respect that.... and I'll always look forward to a chance to talk with folks who speak from their truth.

From the start of his campaign, I always understood why he had the following he had.... but I wasn't at all surprised when he was passed over by those who favored Romney.

We just don't get Teddy Roosevelts any more. That's a bit disappointing, IMHO.


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How'd you feel about Bachman?

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The headlights are on High Beam...

...but Stevie Wonder's driving the car- at night... and Ray Charles is riding shotgun- in charge of the map, giving directions.

[drops live mic on floor/walks offstage]


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When I was young the news was kind of boring because they spent more than 30 seconds on a story. Political interviews were really boring because they usually spent at the very least 3 minutes.

The people who thought like I did now have control of the majority of our news media.

It's highly unlikely any politician will state anything of thoughtful relevance, which unfortunately has caused a significant distrust of the government and there's a significant portion of our media that seems to want to encourage that distrust.

Not that we should trust, but the partisanship seems to be running/disabling the government. Back in the, not so distant, day politicians were often working with others across the aisle and many good laws and policies were created. Yea some stunk, but usually they were corrected.

I've always thought politicians are as corrupt as used car salesmen and some of the best, most meaningful legislation came those who were very corrupt.

Politicians are politicians and it's the media controlled, uninformed voter that's put the worst ones (those payed for by lobbies and in touch with the latest "popularity" polls) in Washington and those same voters are often the ones who are most upset and wondering how and why these useless people get to Washington.

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I see what you're saying about Santorum. I think he's insane and hateful, but I see the senitment in guys like Ron Paul or Dennis Kucinich.

They speak their mind, that's why they're fringe.

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Originally Posted By: PDR
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The media will bemoan lack of access and robotic, scripted answers. But it will also punish deviations from the script. And it will do so in the most trivial ways


Wonderful way of putting it.

In Pure Football, everyone would nod.

In Everything Else, it will be someone else's launching off point to express why they don't like Media Outlet and/or Politician X.

I agree. as Swish pointed out below you, we do the same thing with athletes.


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