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So, you can't think of one legal purpose or reason for a gay couple to want to be married? Are you really that ignorant, or are you just trying to provoke? If it's the former, there's inheritance or life insurance if one partner dies, joint filing of taxes, spousal health insurance, auto/home insurance discounts...and that's just what I can think of off the top of my head.

Jesus loves you Jules, as do I. I hope you find peace in Him.

For a large portion of American society there is no way you are going to force them to accept homosexuality as OK. We could debate till we are both blue in the face but that is the reality.

No law ever passed will make me raise my kids to think homosexuality is anything other than an abomination to God. No law passed will ever make me accept it period. If that offends anyone then too bad. I'm an American and I have the right to my religious beliefs same as anyone else and I will follow what my Bible teaches long before I let a corrupt and morally poor government tell me how to live.

The federal government trying to crush state rights is what will be the number one cause of the next civil war in this country. everyone takes for granted the USA will always survive but when the government keeps forcing people to go against their beliefs either religion or the government will fall. history shows that it always ends up being the government for failing to listen to its people.

I didn't see anyone who expects you to "accept it"?

You see me grabbing at straws and I see you eating up any little word that can help fuel your own ill feelings toward certain people. You aren't interested in the real truth, you are only interested in your own. Your debates on this subject and lack of them on others is very telling.

You don't hope hope I'm right.......and you better hope and pray that I'm not. I hope God has mercy on you.

Seems to me that Ytown is searching and reading in an attempt to understand who God is while you have already made God in your own image.

just sayin'

Hmmmm. The word Homophobe comes to mind here. That's what you get called when you don't "accept it".

For the vast majority of the time, it's those trying to inflict their beliefs upon others who garner such labels.

Isn't that what most of us end up doing anyway? The God of my understanding......maybe the trying to understand has already occured for some and they do have their image and attempt to live their life accordingly.

So you are saying it is the victim of the slur who got what they deserved?

It is my fervent belief that no Christian ever led another person to follow Jesus by continuously pointing out their sins.

Jesus loves you Jules, as do I. I hope you find peace in Him.

I said nothing about anyone "getting what they deserve". I simply posted who it is I see often times labeled with the Homophobia tag.

I don't believe gay people should be discriminated against when it comes to marriage just like I don't believe labeling people is a good thing.

Neither justifies the other.

No. If you read the Bible, you will know who God really is.
If you read the owners manual to a Chevy, you will not end it with an understanding of the neighbors Ford.

Sorry, have to disagree with you there. No intention on debating it, none of us are truly qualified. Just my humble understanding of peace with my Lord and Savior.

So when I am asked what I think of Homosexuality and I reply its a sin and someone calls me a Homophobe, both people are wrong?

So many replies I can't respond to them all =)

I have no problems with taking away tax benefits for married people. Marriage should be encouraged by children's parents not because it saves you money. Then again I prefer us to have a flat tax anyways which is more fair.

I think you can't have complete separation of church and state even if you strive for it. People are going to believe in one thing or another and they will want their politicians to represent them. Not that politicians listen to the people anyways ... still its what most people want.

What drives me bonkers is that every single minority cause(numbers wise not race) is suppose to negate the will of the majority. That's just stupid and impractical. Look at Alabama for example. 90% of the state is against recognizing gay marriages. If you're gay and don't like it then move to a different state. There are plenty of them that do.

We have different states all with different preferences for a reason. Trying to make the cultures of each one exactly the same is completely against our constitution. There is a strong reason why some things should remain controlled by the state and not federal.

We are not serfs or slaves held to living in just one place all our lives. We have brains enough to look at the benefits of living in one place or another and choosing where to live. If you don't like what you have to live with move somewhere else. Don't move into my neck of the woods and force your single view against our entire town. We have just as much right to build up a community that fits our culture.

The fact that growing numbers of states are gaining more and more people wanting to leave the union should tell you that something is wrong. The numbers are in the millions of people so its not some small issue to be ignored IMHO. There is a reason homeland security is securing more ammunition rounds than have been used in the last 3 wars combined. They are not even the military yet they need more ammo the armed forces? Ask yourself, why? The only ones they will ever point their guns at are Americans.

To be honest I am on the fence myself. If the government wants to force me to accept sexual deviants and acting like male and female sluts as the normal behavior and acceptable then I don't have much use for it. I am NOT letting my children grow up thinking casual sex is OK. You can link 80% of what's wrong in our country to casual sex. unwed mothers, foodstamp babies, kids growing up with no father or no mother, high crime because those kids from those kind of unions were never raised right, etc.

When you don't protect the family unit, as it should be, then society always fails. Always. Anyone who has studied history and knows what they are talking about will tell you the same. Failure to learn from history will doom you to repeat it. But go on and keep fooling yourselves that its ok to do whatever it takes to make your life convenient and tell everyone to live however they want to and that it doesn't matter, so long as, people can do whatever they want to. Our nation will reap what it sows.

It's hard to use tone of voice in writing so let me clarify. I am not some yelling and raving lunatic. I am just very sad and speaking in a quiet but certain voice of sorrow for my country that is starting to fall apart more and more. I am not angry at any of you or wishing you harm in any way. I just say what I mean and mean what I say. for those offended I am sorry but I am who I am and I am not going to lie to make others feel better.

So when I am asked what I think of Homosexuality and I reply its a sin and someone calls me a Homophobe, both people are wrong?

I just want to toss this out there…just in case anyone has put us on their "prayer list" so we "see the light", or whatever, take me off. Put yourself in my place. Thank you.

If God doesn't have the foresight to forgive chasing something you love or are attracted to, that cat ain't omnipotent.

He's cruel.

Razor, just curious, what thought makes you equate homosexuality with sluts? Do you not know heterosexual folks that are sexually permissive?

I am curious as to your response to my question. You stated that since gays could not procreate, there was no purpose or significance in the relationship. I ask you, would you apply the same logic to heterosexual married folks who can not have a biological child?

This thread makes thankful that this country has separation of church and state.

It is a dispute over federal and State law.

I will just add that there will always be animosity between the secular and the religious. Secular will always want to be left to their own devices to sin as they see fit. Religions will always have to follow their beliefs in order to save others from damnation. Secular only has the choice of accepting religion or squashing it. It is natural to me for that to go back and forth and be in conflict. I am not offended by it.

I believe and have felt the presence of God in my life. There is no choice in the matter for me. I will obey God and his laws to the best of my ability. To protect my children I will fight to also make society adhere to his laws as well. I have just as much right to do so as others are doing to destroy our society by destroying the family unit.

I personally don't care how many people let their souls die after their physical death. God gave them that choice. The only time I get riled up is when secular activities put my children at risk of being corrupted by sin. Then I feel I need to take action to protect my children's future, living and/or eternal.

You must have been a hit at house parties.

I don't accept the premise that it's a religious issue between the religious and secular factions in the country.

It's about power to control the lives of people and little more except that there is an element of people that don't even seek power but just want to destroy the fabric of society (and they are quite vocal).

I just want to say I admire you Razor.
God bless you and yours.

I do cookouts but never had much use for hanging out at parties and getting drunk since I stopped drinking at 17.

I will just add that there will always be animosity between the secular and the religious. Secular will always want to be left to their own devices to sin as they see fit. Religions will always have to follow their beliefs in order to save others from damnation. Secular only has the choice of accepting religion or squashing it. It is natural to me for that to go back and forth and be in conflict. I am not offended by it.

I believe and have felt the presence of God in my life. There is no choice in the matter for me. I will obey God and his laws to the best of my ability. To protect my children I will fight to also make society adhere to his laws as well. I have just as much right to do so as others are doing to destroy our society by destroying the family unit.

I personally don't care how many people let their souls die after their physical death. God gave them that choice. The only time I get riled up is when secular activities put my children at risk of being corrupted by sin. Then I feel I need to take action to protect my children's future, living and/or eternal.

I understand what you mean and to a certain degree agree with you. Still a secular person has different goals in life than a religious person. There are plenty of bad people in secular and religious. There are also good in both. Generally speaking it holds true though. There are always exceptions though good and bad.

Trust me when I say there is no worse feeling in the world than when you are told by your parents that you aren't wanted because of who you are