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It was the WR coach. I have to think that played a role in his dismissal.

Are you blaming the WR coach for Gordon's suspension?

Pretty sure he's saying the dismissal of the WR's coach.

I get that, but in case you haven't noticed, many board members place their focus on the irrelevant details and ignore what is actually important.

Witness their infatuation w/blaming LaCanafora and Shanny for the negative publicity and ignoring the very real dysfunction in Berea.

With all due respect, I do understand what your question meant/reasoning. I read....don't post often. I think he was just making the basic statement about the coach, just my opinion of what he meant. Sorry I know it wasn't directed at me.


Also, of what you just said, I don't take it as much as blaming LaCan or Shanny and everything is everyone else fault. My take is that it's the down-time period in the NFL. Super Bowl is over, free agency/combine hasn't started....nothing to get overly excited or to complain about. So instead of just beating a dead horse about the stupidity that Gordon has put upon himself (and etc), most are critiquing the other parts of the situation or stories.....i.e; saying LaCan is going overboard with his writing, or critiquing Shanny other qualities.

We kinda agree and we kinda don't. I do see what you are saying, but for the life of me, I don't see the value of concentrating on blaming people who are NOT with the Browns and not even talking about the mistakes of the people who ARE with the Browns.

Sorry Scott, I see no value in that other than people deflecting blame away from the real issues.

That doesn't mean I am right. You respectfully disagreed w/my take and presented yours in a logical manner. We don't have to agree on any of this, but I do respect how you went about it.

Understandable, it's just been my general take of the posts in most of these topics.



"Sorry Scott, I see no value in that other than people deflecting blame away from the real issues."

I understand that and agree with you that it's not the main focus of the overall issue. Just as I said, I think most are just side bars about critiquing other things within the stories

gotcha.

This is a sucky time of the year for sure, especially with all the crap that has happened.

We have few facts, and in our efforts to discuss it all we speculate...and argue...then rationalize and defend..lol

I hate this time of year.

Here's a fun conspiracy theory on who the tipster may have been. The Browns' then WR coach Mike McDaniel and long time associate of Kyle Shanahan was on that flight. In an effort to assist Shanahan in giving the Browns FO a middle finger on his way out, he tips Shanahan off that Gordon is drinking on the plane, who in turn informs the league of Gordon's violation. The league jumps at the news and instructs Gordon to immediately get to a testing facility upon landing. Gordon gets suspended and Shanahan laughs all the way to Atlanta.

As we are now aware, Mike McDaniel has now been hired by his pal Shanahan down in Atlanta.

yea. or the guy that has to tell the nfl where he is at all times and is checked every 3 days got busted.

i just cannot figure how someone that only had 4 drinks and had 4 hours to take the test could fail it?

4 hour flight. 4 hours to report for his test. That's 8 hours. Plus, there is no way on earth I believe his story about "I thought the season was over."

He himself would've read the agreement, right?

Who cares - he pays his lawyers to tell him that kind of stuff. His agent takes his cut and should tell him that stuff. The Browns should have told him

I have close to 0 doubt his lawyers, his agent, and the Browns didn't let him know the exact date he could drink.

Further more - 4 drinks in what could've been an 8 hour window? Come on...........

As such, there would have been measureable levels of alcohol in his system. My understanding is that he was allowed zero alcohol, therefore...

I believe your right. He had to abstain from alcohol so any amount in his system and he failed the test.

.06 is what i read some where. or maybe i heard on the radio. forget lol

Got it. Okay.

However, if, as he said, he had 2 beers and 2 mixed drinks on the 4 hour flight...........AND he had 4 hours after landing to show up...a guy of his size would've had ample time to "process" the alcohol.

He could've easily tested negative - or 0.

Regardless, am I to believe his agent, his lawyer, and the Browns didn't inform him of when "the season" ends???? He can - could've - claimed ignorance. And that's as far as it would've gotten: ignorance.


He knew - he just didn't listen.

Or expected that being "out-of-town" (i.e. out of the NFL's reach), he would not be tested...a false expectation. He's either addicted or dumb - probably both.

Wow. Pathetic.

Let's blame someone w/out any evidence at all and exonerate the idiot who broke the rules.

God, you guys suck.

Double Wow! Double Pathetic!

I assumed the "fun conspiracy theory" and the willy nilly guy was a dead giveaway for a tongue-in-cheek post.

Say, aren't you a master reader? I'm going to have to find out who issued such a merit. Or, was this a self-awarded title?

Okay. I suck and you are great. Have a good day.

Is that really necessary? Geesh.

As far as Gordon having anyone turn him in ...... didn't he and Manziel Tweet pictures of themselves looking a little toasted on that flight? If the league was paying any attention at all, they would have seen that and known it was trouble. I thought that it was trouble as soon as it was also reported that he could not even drink.

Anyway, Gordon is now the past. Time to move on.

He is telling a whopper about how much he drank. Your correct on the 4 drinks in 8 hours he would have registered a 0.00 so unless he was drinking 2 40's and two mixed drinks. The booze would have been out of his system.

Forgive me if I am wrong but where are you guys coming up with the 8 hours? I thought he had to be tested within 4 hours of being notified and that he was told as soon as he landed that he would be tested.

I think they are including the 4 hours of the flight.

But if he was drinking the whole time he was in the air then you can't count that time.

I agree completely. Was just explaining where I thought the 8 hours time frame came from, not that I was buying into it.

Saying he had 8 hours to process the alcohol would mean he stopped drinking when the plane left the gate to taxi for take off.

Sure you can. Your body starts processing the alcohol shortly after you start drinking. Now, WHEN he started drinking is the key to that.

Flight time to vegas is 4 hours, more or less, isn't it?

Then, after landing, he had an additional 4 hours.

If he didn't start drinking until, say, an hour before landing - that would affect it, of course.

Regardless - he screwed up. He wasn't allowed to drink until after the season was over. The NFL season - NOT the Browns season.

That is big. I cannot fathom that he wasn't made aware of that by his lawyers, his agent, and the Browns. I just can't fathom that somewhere along the line one, 2, or all three of them didn't spell it out for him: It's for the NFL season, which ends on "X" day.

https://nflpa.com/active-players/drug-policies

if he drank 4 drinks in the last hour on the plane his boc would have been .07. goes down .01 every 40 minute. to pass he had to be lower than .06. or thats what i think.

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe he was prohibited from consuming alcohol...period.

its like being tested for any drug. have to have a pass/fail limit. the nfl pass/fail is .06. make sense?

yea. or maybe he had fancy drinks that had 3 or 4 different shots in it? any way you look at it the nitwit should have known better.

Sure. His pass/fail was 0.00....no alcohol consumption allowed. As I said, someone correct me if I'm wrong.

obviously your right. the nfl put that .06 pass/fail limit in for players who are allowed to drink.

Honestly, I don't know what your talking about? I'm not the guy to ask I guess.

The 8 hours came from the 4 hour flight, and the 4 hours he had after landing to report for testing.

4 plus 4 equals 8. AGAIN - who knows when he started having his self reported 4 drinks. Who cares??

He was NOT allowed to drink until AFTER the nfl season - NOT the Browns season.

He knew it, I"m sure. His agent, his lawyers, AND the Browns knew it. (if none of them knew, they should be fired, instantly.......although it's tough to fire your employer).

j/c:

Eagles Reportedly Turned Down A Trade Involving Josh Gordon & Nick Foles Back In 2013

Phil Sheridan of ESPN.com, citing a source familiar with the discussions, reports that the Philadelphia Eagles previously turned down a trade that would have sent Nick Foles to the Browns in return for WR Josh Gordon.

According to Sheridan, the deal was discussed before the start of the 2013 regular season, which fits with previous reports that Cleveland had been fielding offers for him that year.

Sheridan points out that Gordon was facing a two-game suspension for violating the NFL substance abuse policy at that time, and Foles had just lost the starting job to Michael Vick.

Cleveland had Jason Campbell and Brandon Weeden as their top-two quarterbacks on their depth chart, so adding someone like Foles would have been an big upgrade for them that season.

Former Eagles president Joe Banner, who had drafted Foles the year before, was currently in charge of the Browns, and had as good of a read on Foles as anyone.

Sheridan mentions that new Eagles Chip Kelly was still high on Foles as an NFL quarterback and reportedly had concerns about the fact that Gordon was facing a suspension.

In the end, the Eagles passed and got one great year out of Foles followed by an underwhelming 2014 season in which he sustained a fractured collarbone.

Gordon, on the other hand, has been suspended numerous times including a recent ban for testing positive for alcohol, which was a violation of the conditions for his return to the field.

He’s now facing a suspension that could keep him away from the NFL for the entire 2015 season, and there are also questions about whether or not he’ll ever play for the Browns again.

It will be interesting to see what the Eagles do in regards to Foles and their quarterback position, as there has been a decent amount of speculation that they could consider a move up for a quarterback in this year’s draft, even though it would be a very costly move.

http://nfltraderumors.co/eagles-reported...s-back-in-2013/