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By STEVE DOERSCHUK REPOSITORY SPORTS WRITER BEREA What is a Mobilian? Phil Savage and JaMarcus Russell both hail from Mobile, Ala. They don't have to ask. That's also where they met in 1999, at a football camp called Camp Savage. Watching the teen marvel Russell was worth the price of admission, but only so to speak. At Camp Savage, kids sweat free. Even now, with Brady Quinn enrolled in a play-for-pay Camp Savage, this applies: Savage knows J.R. a lot better than he knows B.Q. That will change now that Savage and Quinn are fellow Ohioans. It started Sunday the moment Quinn stepped out of the stretch limo the Browns sent to the airport. "Brady next to JaMarcus seems smaller,'' Savage said, alluding to Russell's freakish size. "But when you bump into Brady in our building, you realize he's big ... almost 6-foot-4 and 230-some-odd pounds." Quinn bench-pressed 225 pounds 24 times at the NFL Combine. Lineman Robert Gallery - Russell's Raider equivalent to Joe Thomas, as things play out - had 24 reps at the '04 combine. By Sept. 23, when the Browns play at Oakland, Savage should know Quinn well. Already, he knows him better than QBs Brian Brohm, Chad Henne, John David Booty, Andre Woodson and Matt Ryan, 2008 draft prospects. "Based on what little we saw and what little knowledge I had on those guys," Savage said, "it was, hey, take Brady Quinn now versus waiting on some of these guys you're not really sure ... and not knowing where you're gonna be picking." He sacrificed rounds 2 and 3 picks Saturday and a Round 1 pick in 2008 to move up. "It seemed to me to be a no-brainer," said Savage. LIKE BOLLER? A trace of smoke comes off Savage's brain when he hears Quinn compared to Kyle Boller. Savage was in Baltimore in 2003 when the Ravens traded into the first round for Boller. Ravens GM Ozzie Newsome moved up to No. 19, giving the Patriots a No. 41 pick in '03 and a No. 21 pick in 2004. Through four seasons, Boller has a passer rating of 71.0. The Browns' Charlie Frye is at 72.2. Quinn was drafted with the thought of pushing toward Tom Brady's 88.4. What of the fact Quinn, at No. 22, was drafted lower than Boller? "When Kyle came out, I would say he was elevated as a need for certain teams in the 20s, maybe even in the 30s on some draft boards," Savage said. "I felt a lot more comfortable moving up for Brady, who by consensus across the league was in the top 10." A clearer consensus: Browns fans are jazzed about getting both Quinn and a left tackle. "That's what I hear," Savage said with a loaded little smile. The GM also is gratified by feedback from insiders.
David Cutliffe, who coached Peyton Manning at Tennessee, Eli Manning at Mississippi and Quinn at Notre Dame, told Savage in January, "You've gotta get Brady."
Cutliffe sent Savage this simple text message Saturday: "GREAT PICK!!!!!!!!!!''Notre Dame recruiting coordinator/receivers coach Rob Ianello, who was an Alabama graduate assistant with Savage in 1987, fired off his own text message: "This guy will win!" But how? Why? "If you put the right people around him, (Quinn) is gonna be very successful, because he's smart," Savage said. "His intelligence is probably what impressed Charlie Weis most. "The smart quarterbacks with enough of the physical ability can do it." SCOUTS' IMPRESSIONS One more consensus: NFL scouts are less impressed with Quinn than with Russell. "People threw out things like accuracy and arm strength,'' Quinn said. "Those are the things you get upset with. Who is making these comments? How much credibility do they really have? "Go back and watch film. The throws were there. There's no doubt in my mind about my ability." Yet, there's no escaping the fact Savage preferred Russell on draft day. On the flip side, there's no doubt he is tickled about landing Quinn. Even now, he'll gladly take both of them, so to speak. After Russell went at No. 1 and Quinn at No. 22, Savage said he threw a little cell-phone party with his fellow Mobilian. "I told JaMarcus, 'You reckon we can get you and Brady to come down to Camp Savage this summer?' "We might have to charge." Reach Repository sports writer Steve Doerschuk at (330) 580-8347 or e-mail: steve.doerschuk@cantonrep.comI'm going to come out and say it now and this is from a Notre Dame/OSU fan, I still have my reservations on whether Brady Quinn is the answer. I've seen him play 3 or 4 times and really wonder if he has that quick and accurate release to make it. I really hope he works out but, just an uneasy feeling. I don't blame Phil for making the deal, it was the proper decision in our situation. As the old adage goes "Carpe Diem" or "Seize the Moment". I hope David Cutliff is correct in his assessment of Brady. JMHO
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It was. Good 'ol Steve not proofreading or checking his facts again. The 3rd we gave up was part of the deal to move up and take Wright in Round 2.
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I was apprehensive about this trade at first and I guess I still am. We gave up a ton for the # 22 pick and please, save the semantics. I'm not stupid and it is what it is. However, I'm feeling better about the pick because it seems that a lot of people who were close to BQ have nothing but good things to say about him. I LOVE hearing that he is smart. That's huge in my book. I still think Savage gambled and I am not a gambler. I fully understand that most fans like that kind of mentality, just like they love blitzing and throwing deep down field all the time, but I don't feel that is smart football. However, I think BQ might be worth the risk. If he is............the Browns are going to be good for a long time, because getting a franchise LT and a franchise QB in the same draft is unheard of. Please God.............let it happen. 
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nrtu.....I've been wondering where's that Silver Dollar at???  Do or have any of you guys thought about how big that COIN FLIP was?? If TB was in 3rd who would they have taken JT or BQ then who would we pick anyway we would of gotten only one not two if it was JT/BQ/or AP Phil said BQ wasn't in his top 3 so who was # 4 
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I've thought about the coin flip plenty. Somebody called in and asked Tony Grossi about this on Sunday Strategy last night and Tony said he spoke to someone with the Bucs about it and they said they still would have taken Gaines Adams with the #3 pick. But Tony said he didn't really believe him. I think if TB took Thomas at 3, we would've taken AD. Either way, we still could've traded up to get Quinn later at 22. But I think having Thomas and Quinn is better than having Peterson and Quinn. JMHO.
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I thought it was a 1st and 2nd?
We gave up our 2nd round this year and out 1st rounder next season.. you were correct!
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. We gave up a ton for the # 22 pick and please, save the semantics. I'm not stupid and it is what it is.
I don't really know if we gave up a TON... and I don't know if you would call what I'm about to say semantics, but if, as many suspect, we would have had to use our #1 next season on a QB (huge if), then really, all we really gave up for Brady is the 2nd pick this season.. That's not really a lot for what's supposed to be a franchise QB... well, at least I don't think so!
So if he really works out to be that good,, I think we would probably all look back and say it was a cheap price to pay..
Time will tell on that one.
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And somehow Verse keeps "electing" to omit the fact we'll save LOTS of millions paying a "franchise QB" #22 money instead of "top 10" money.
This is money that can be invested in the FA market next year. And that's not "semantics". That's factual............
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Whether this was a good trade or not lives and dies with Brady Quinn. If he pans out? Great trade. If he fails? Horrible trade. Savage knows this, but he trusts his scouting and did exactly what he should have if he truely believed in it... and I have no problem with that.
Unfortunately, I've only seen Brady play in 2-3 games, max... and I wasn't analyzing his play when I was watching him. I think 95% of this board is talking out of their ass when it comes to him because they haven't seen him enough (4-5 games doesn't cut it, people). Anyway... yeah, I have a LOT of fear that he won't make it... I just hope to god the ones that have watched him consistantly and liked what they saw know WTF they're talking about.
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I'm hopeful, but lets be honest. I think we as a fanbase are just waiting for the other shoe to fall most of the time. If we start being successful again that will probably change.
I don't know Quinn all that well. But I liked the move. The kid has some talent given he was considered top 5 talent and at 22 he's less of a bust if he doesn't pan out than at 3.
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I think we as a fanbase are just waiting for the other shoe to fall most of the time.
I think you kind of hit the nail on the head there. Now let me preface this by saying that I was not a huge Quinn pimp, but I found it a bit refreshing to see the Browns take their fortunes (or misfortunes) into their own hands for once. Everyone's sick of losing, and the way that we have tried to fix it isn't working obviously. Sometimes you have to do something drastic to bust out of a rut.
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I don't really know if we gave up a TON... and I don't know if you would call what I'm about to say semantics, but if, as many suspect, we would have had to use our #1 next season on a QB (huge if), then really, all we really gave up for Brady is the 2nd pick this season.. That's not really a lot for what's supposed to be a franchise QB... well, at least I don't think so!
So if he really works out to be that good,, I think we would probably all look back and say it was a cheap price to pay..
Time will tell on that one.
There are other "ifs" as well. What if we did decide on a QB next year and needed to trade up to get him, how much would that cost? Just because we had a first next year, doesn't mean it would've been a pick within the range of a top QB. I like giving up the second this year for a known quantity, (knowing that we have the QB,) rather than waiting to see if we draft high enough or have to give away our draft next year to move up to take one. There's also the cost of having to wait out the additional year, (or more,) if the "guy" taken next year doesn't grade out as high. The intangibles alone make this a good trade, the fact that he's a real talent, (according to those who have coached him,) makes it golden. A premiere LT and a franchise QB in one draft? Are you kidding me!? That is simply amazing and we got incredibly lucky for a change. Miami messed up and they're gonna be hatin' life.
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LIKE BOLLER?
A trace of smoke comes off Savage's brain when he hears Quinn compared to Kyle Boller. Savage was in Baltimore in 2003 when the Ravens traded into the first round for Boller.
People take a unknown and try to compare it to a similar incident so they can try to gauge what will happen .. And thats because they don't know or fear whatever it is. SAME thing with Thomas..those that didn't want him or were afraid tried to compare him to GALLERY because he wasn't listed as a Pace/Ogden type.. So now it's Quinn/Boller..
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just clickin, I was not one of the Quinn pimps at all, however, when I came home from work and heard that we traded up to the # 22 spot and got Quinn, my first reaction was WOW, We got the LT and QB in one draft. Now I'm not saying that I automatically believed that Quinn WILL be our savior but I really think that getting him at 22 was a hell of a deal. My only fear is that he did not play well in BIG Bowl games, although, this could have been the team around him as much as anything he did or did not do? I'm not sure and only time will tell.
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Yeah the writer got a couple things wrong, but all and all it was a good read.
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I'm going to come out and say it now and this is from a Notre Dame/OSU fan, I still have my reservations on whether Brady Quinn is the answer. I've seen him play 3 or 4 times and really wonder if he has that quick and accurate release to make it. I really hope he works out but, just an uneasy feeling. I don't blame Phil for making the deal, it was the proper decision in our situation. As the old adage goes "Carpe Diem" or "Seize the Moment". I hope David Cutliff is correct in his assessment of Brady. JMHO
i saw most of Brady's games in HS as well as ND. Now i realize that Pro Ball is faster, etc, but other than forcing throws in in HS ( a habit that that weis seem to have broken him of at ND) his grasp of the game (where people are and should be) is very very good. This is something we have lacked in charlie, who was not bad overall until he ran and forced throws at the last minute. Now, with brady starting (sooner or later) as a backup QB charlie is top notch!
i love him at 22...as long as we got thomas! Once that happened, i'm good with the pick.
he's worth 3-6 wins over last yr. ( saints, ravens, panthers, maybe broncos, first steelers-not the 2nd, lol, texans)
Not 14 wins, that's up to the rest of the team. But it's a start.
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I didn't really realize how BIG he is until I started looking at pictures... the kid is HUGE
and I really like reading how everyone says how smart he is... that's the #1 thing you need in a QB... i know everyone is drooling over Russell... but I think i'd still prefer Quinn over Russell.
Man am I excited for football to start!
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I'm going to come out and say it now and this is from a Notre Dame/OSU fan, I still have my reservations on whether Brady Quinn is the answer. I've seen him play 3 or 4 times and really wonder if he has that quick and accurate release to make it. I really hope he works out but, just an uneasy feeling. I don't blame Phil for making the deal, it was the proper decision in our situation. As the old adage goes "Carpe Diem" or "Seize the Moment". I hope David Cutliff is correct in his assessment of Brady. JMHO
i saw most of Brady's games in HS as well as ND. Now i realize that Pro Ball is faster, etc, but other than forcing throws in in HS ( a habit that that weis seem to have broken him of at ND) his grasp of the game (where people are and should be) is very very good. This is something we have lacked in charlie, who was not bad overall until he ran and forced throws at the last minute. Now, with brady starting (sooner or later) as a backup QB charlie is top notch!
i love him at 22...as long as we got thomas! Once that happened, i'm good with the pick.
he's worth 3-6 wins over last yr. ( saints, ravens, panthers, maybe broncos, first steelers-not the 2nd, lol, texans)
Not 14 wins, that's up to the rest of the team. But it's a start.
When I stated I had seen him 3 or 4 times......I was referring to last year. I've seen him playing now for over 3 years and if he has an "achilles heel" I thought it was his accuracy on quick releases. The best game I remember most is ironically, the game they got beat in South Bend by the Trojans. They really should have won that game though, Lienhart got a good call by referee. But, to the point......Brady brought his team back into contention with good drives and command; he really impressed me in that game as becoming a good leader and QB.
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Did u not read any of my posts about BQ or do u just not believe me??? WTF man ,.. i said a MILLION TIMES and gave a MILLION EXAMPLES of how smart he is ... and hes FOOTBALL SMART BRO .. it blows my mind u don't know hes smart if u read any of what i said pre-draft .. mind boggling .. 
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Boller is very gifted physically, but his intangibles are what is keeping him from playing well. I remember when I seen him 2 years ago in the season finale. he gets flustered when you put pressure on him. instead of stepping into a throw he would throw off his back foot. his pocket presense is very poor. that what makes tom brady so great. boller gets rattled very easily. I think the game is too fast for him, and he is unable to process info very quickly. if he ever figured that out, he would be a stud. he has the physical tools to get it done.
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I've seen him playing now for over 3 years and if he has an "achilles heel" I thought it was his accuracy on quick releases.
i have no clue how u or any of the experts can say he has ANY PROBLEMS AT ALL WITH ACCURACY ... other than u haven't seen it hi enough and the experts are way over analyzing him ..
I'm watched every game hes played for 4 years ... i've watched him mature and improve IMMENSELY every one of them .. and over the last 2 years ... hes been the 2nd most ACCURATE PASSER in all of football ... only one thats ben more accurate is Manning ..
does he throw all his pases perfect?? HELL NO .... no one does .. and sometimes i think thats what people wanted from BQ ....
i cant wait till u guys get to watch him over the next 3 years and how your opinions of him change as u become MORE INFORMED ...
the kids a pure joy to watch and as classy as they get .. u all are going to love him in many many ways ..
I saw an interview on ESPN on Sunday night (they had it on cause the baseball game was cancelled cause of the death of the Card pitcher ... ) ... and they interviewed Joe and BQ ... and it was a PLEASURE and made me feel PROUD AS HELL to be a Dawg as i listened to these two bright, articulate young men speak ..... we have TWO TRUE LEADERS on the O side of the ball that will make all of us PROUD TO BE DAWGS AGAIN ...
bOtches last team made me sick to my stomach cause they were a bunch of whiners and quitters .. i HATED that team ... well Opie and RAC have been changing that for 2 years now ... and they sure as hell added TWO TREMENDOUS PIECES of that puzzle on saturday ....
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I don't really know if we gave up a TON... and I don't know if you would call what I'm about to say semantics, but if, as many suspect, we would have had to use our #1 next season on a QB (huge if), then really, all we really gave up for Brady is the 2nd pick this season..
I really wish that people would stop trying to break it down that way, because it's simply not true.
It doesn't matter how you slice it, we gave up what was required to move up to that slot to get the player, and what we gave up was a 2nd rounder this year and a 1st rounder next year. You say it's a "huge If" and if so then we gave up our chance to get the potential final piece to the puzzle. With or without BQ we would be an improved team this season, and should be contending for the playoffs if not this year then definitely next year. NOW giving up what we did I feel that we need to contend this year or it was a wasted trade.
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So if he really works out to be that good,, I think we would probably all look back and say it was a cheap price to pay..
Most definitely, and right now that "unknown" feeling is the thing that is driving me nuts, but it is also the same thing that pulls us to the game, that pulls us to the draft and the discussion of it. If it wasn't an unknown, then it wouldn't be near as fun.
I feel that our picks could have been better spent elsewhere. I feel that Charlie can do the job given the protection and the running game. I hope beyond hope that I am wrong, because now we are forced into yet another QB competition.....competition is always a good thing, but now Charlie feels slighted and will we be forced to put Quinn in before he is ready. I am a HUGE proponent of letting a new QB sit and watch for a year, will we have that luxury?
I was not happy with the Quinn trade, and I was not happy with the trade to select Wright. I will, however, support them fully as they are now wearing the beautiful orange helmet.
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Yeah, he was real classy on Saturday when he went out of the room to pout when he didn't get picked in the top 10.
I hope he doesn't hold out and demand top10 money....
I hope I'm wrong and you're right on his arm, but from the times I watched him I was not impressed.
I think we screwed the pooch on this one......I think we shoulda took a Guard in round 2 and a RB in round 3....
Lotta hoping goin' on.....nothin' new for us Browns fans, eh?
I guess one thing holds true.....if anything, it's gonna be interesting.
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Yeah, he was real classy on Saturday when he went out of the room to pout when he didn't get picked in the top 10.
That's an unfair shot at Quinn. Commissioner Goodell asked him to come to a private room in order to avoid the media scrutiny. It was the right thing to do. Quinn wasn't pouting, he was just moving someplace more private and comfortable, especially since everyone knew teams 10-21 weren't really interested in a QB, and he was in for a long wait.
Plus, Quinn came out and did an interview sometime between picks 10 and 22, so he wasn't exactly hiding and pouting. I was actually really impressed by that interview, as he seemd calm, despite being in the midst of losing millions of dollars. He handled the entire situation really well.
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what we gave up was a 2nd rounder this year and a 1st rounder next year.
I wish people would stop saying THIS. We did give up a second rounder, then we traded up and got a second rounder again. This second round pick was lower than our original, but we still picked up our target player. So basically, we gave up a 3rd and 4th rounder and our first pick next year. Look at what we picked up from those 3 picks.
A potential franchise QB. A potential franchise LT. A potential franchise CB. I say potential because none of these guys are yet proven in the NFL (nor is anyone else in the draft).
Now look at our 2006 team. The players we picked up won't be worse than what we had. Even if Wright is our nickel (if Baxter is back and playing CB), that's an upgrade to that position. Everyone pisses and moans about our OL, well guess what...we picked the potential best LT we could. And QB....I could rant for pages, Frye is a backup at best. Quinn's potential ability is a huge upgrade over Frye's proven inability.
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the kids a pure joy to watch and as classy as they get
Yeah, he was real classy on Saturday when he went out of the room to pout when he didn't get picked in the top 10.
That's an unfair shot at Quinn. Commissioner Goodell asked him to come to a private room in order to avoid the media scrutiny. It was the right thing to do. Quinn wasn't pouting, he was just moving someplace more private and comfortable, especially since everyone knew teams 10-21 weren't really interested in a QB, and he was in for a long wait.
Plus, Quinn came out and did an interview sometime between picks 10 and 22, so he wasn't exactly hiding and pouting. I was actually really impressed by that interview, as he seemd calm, despite being in the midst of losing millions of dollars. He handled the entire situation really well.
Amen. He did a great job with the interviews and at no time did he ask to kiss Suzy Kolber  (Though I probably would have  )
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It doesn't matter how you slice it, we gave up what was required to move up to that slot to get the player, and what we gave up was a 2nd rounder this year and a 1st rounder next year.
True, but it's not like we got all of the other players we drafted for free... We gave up a first round #3 pick this year on Thomas. We gave up a 2nd round #36 pick plus a 1st round 2008 pick (# TBD) for Quinn. Doing the math (and treating the #3 as the same as the 2008 pick, which is completely unbalanced), we find the difference between the Thomas and Quinn selection to be the 2nd round pick.
If you don't think that Quinn is going to be very good (a starting and winning QB), then the simple act of drafting him in the first round is a waste. Therefore, the discussion about the cost of the trade is not pertinent to the reality of the situation. Simply put, all worries about spending too much is a question about Quinn's ability.
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Personally, I think everyone should sit back and watch the show for a while. Seriously, we can sit here speculate and tell everyone that they're wrong about whatever. But that's all we're doing. The game is played out on the field for a reason.
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Yeah, he was real classy on Saturday when he went out of the room to pout when he didn't get picked in the top 10.
Pout or rejected?
I saw a similar look on several QB's before when they slid..
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Yeah, he was real classy on Saturday when he went out of the room to pout when he didn't get picked in the top 10.
What's next? Are you going to comb your hair like theisman and complain about Quinn chewing gum, or that his tie isn't straight, or that his hair is a mess?
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I wasn't happy with the 2nd day picks either, we selected as if we were a team with roster spots to burn, and we aren't that good yet.
How can you even write that, without being more specific? Who would you have picked instead? Do you even "know" the prospects? or do you just look at scout.coms star list, lol
heres a little "did you know" game for you:
- did you know, that 6th round DE Melila Purcell played in a 3-4 D at Hawaii and clearly outperformed his DE and 1st team All-WAC Teammate and 1st day pick Alama-Francis? I mean it wasn´t even close...he had way better stats
- did you know that 5th round CB/S McDonald had as good as (slightly even better) punt return AVG than Ted Ginn jr? (11yds/PR) last season? Did you know that McDonald just played 2 seasons as a defender moving in from WR? Did you know Holly also played just 1 College season as DB before last rookie season also moving from WR? Ever heard of Justin Hamilton? Do you start seeing a pattern?
and here some facts about the Quinn deal:
- 1st round pick next year = 2nd round value for this draft....value wise we got Quinn for 2 high 2nd rounders....how many franchise QBs are you gonna get with that?
- if we pick in the top 5 again, the trade was bad...but lets say we win 5-7 games and pick 10th to 13th....do you get a franchise QB tradeup for a mid 2nd? Good luck...
- we gave up a 1st rounder....but "just" 1 pick in quantity...that´s huge....we didnt give up the farm
- we get our franchise QB for half the guaranteed $$ and 1 year earlier to learn the system.....thats priceless
- the Wright deal was a steal...and I still think it was a little gift from Jerry Jones for that 1st deal....normally a high 3rd and a high 4th wont get you into the mid 2nd....even the value chart was clearly with us on this trade...again we "just" lost 1 pick....thats what I like about Savage....he rather gives up a 1st next year than 2nd next year PLUS 3rd and 4th this year or soemthing like that...
- Wright would have been the pick at #36 if we didnt trade up for Quinn....looking at it like this...we got Quinn for 1st next, 3rd and 4th this year
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I didn't know that about Cutliffe. As a Florida guy, I have much respect for David Cutliffe.
The guy is an outstanding coach. I would be thrilled to death if the Gators could get their hands on him.
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Somewhat off topic but it's kind of related to the topic. "Quinn no Boller." Well, how about "Quinn no Couch?" I blogged this earlier today, I figured I'd share it here. I kind of come off as an arrogant know it all jerk in it but that's just to draw people in to read it....
Some people amaze me. The Browns had the best draft out of anyone according to every media outlet and every fanbase in the country, but some people in Cleveland continue to whine. Mainly the whiners are fans of the QB I refuse to refer to by name cuz he sucks that bad, so we'll just call him #9.
Anyway, the vocal minority of the Quinn haters are saying that he's another Couch and he'll pan out that way, or at least Couch was a #1 overall pick.
To them, I have to say: Are you kidding me? Your lack of sports knowledge is an embarassment to Browns fans and football fans in general. Quinn won't turn out like Couch, if for any other reason, because he'll have a chance to succeed.
I didn't like Tim Couch at the time he was drafted, even with my limited football knowledge at the time (I was 12), it was just a gut feeling, I wanted Ricky Williams (which in retrospect is just as dumb). Since then I've learned many things about the game and it only cements my opinion on why Couch sucked and why Quinn has a much better chance to be guy.
First of all, Couch never had a chance. He was thrown behind one of the worst teams in the history of football his rookie year, and bad drafts years after didn't help much if at all. We didn't know BOtch Davis would be as bad of a drafter as he was at the time, but now it's blatantly obvious that the talent around him was backup-caliber at best, aside from Ryan Tucker. His receivers were the massively overhyped "Four Deuces": Dennis Northcutt, Kevin Johnson, Andre Davis, and Quincy Morgan. Only Northcutt will be in football this year and his days are numbered. Runningback William Green is out of the league now. His offensive line was miserable. I could go on and on about how the team around him gave him no chance to succeed. They ruined him.
But, even with parts around him, I don't think he would have been anything more than an average QB with a best year being 3300 yards, 20 TD's, 17 INT's. Here's why...his college QB education sucked!
-He left school as a junior. QB's who leave school as juniors notoriously underperform compared to their senior counterparts. The law of averages vastly favors those who stay four years.
-He didn't play in anything close to an NFL offense. His playbook was thinner than my high school playbook (we ran a pretty sophisticated scheme for a high school) and in many cases they literally drew up plays in the dirt.
-He rarely threw deep in college. It masked his true QB abilities, along with the scheme itself that he played in.
-His college coach wasn't any good. He was fired shortly after.
Brady Quinn, on the other hand, is a way different story.
-Quinn stayed four years. If anything else it makes the law of averages higher.
-Quinn's playbook at Notre Dame in his last two years was a bonafide NFL playbook. It was basically the same scheme the Patriots run, slightly altered to work with the different hash mark width of the college field.
-Quinn can make every throw, has thrown deep very effectively as well. He's no JaMarcus Russell with the deep ball, but you only throw a deep ball every so often.
-Quinn's coaching is top-notch, Charlie Weis is the same guy who turned Tom Brady into a legend and Weis has stated that Quinn is light years ahead of where Tom Brady was when he came out of college.
Now let's look at what favors Quinn in the pros compared to Couch.
-Why would Charlie Weis lie to his good friend Romeo Crennel when he knows that if Quinn fails, Romeo's ass is toast?
-The Browns drafted Joe Thomas, the best left tackle prospect in years. Also signed Eric Steinbach, Hank Fraley, and if healthy, LeCharles Bentley. If Bentley somehow makes it back this year, Quinn has a potentially dominant line to work with. That's not me painting a rosy picture either, it's the truth. Two dominating guards with a slightly above average center, a solid right tackle and a future stud left tackle.
-Braylon Edwards and Kellen Winslow. Those are two weapons that Couch could have only dreamed of. Doesn't even factor in the reliability of a Joe Jurevicius.
-Jamal Lewis, if he's healthy and Bentley comes back, will run for 1,500 yards this season. Write that down. William Green couldn't sniff that.
-Did I mention his college pedigree?
At the very worst, Quinn will become a solid QB who will satisfy us in the Chad Pennington/Jake Delhomme mold, a guy who is very solid, can carry a team when necessary, but isn't the true cream of the crop. At the best, Charlie Weis' prophecy comes true: In three years, we'll be talking about three QB's: Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, and Brady Quinn.
Any questions?
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Theismann cracks his golden dome
Wednesday, May 02, 2007
Bud Shaw
Plain Dealer Columnist
The Browns apparently missed all the glaring rea sons to stay away from Brady Quinn. Shame on them.
They got swayed by the statistics, his presence in the pocket and the glowing recommendation of Notre Dame head coach Charlie Weis.
With all the analysis that goes into scouting, they still somehow fell asleep on three critical aspects of Quinn. It was left to eagle-eyed Joe Theismann to bring them to light. He did so in a stinging post-draft analysis Monday on ESPN Radio's "Mike & Mike in the Morning."
What was it Theismann noticed? A Quinn tendency to throw off his back foot? Shrinkage in big games? A guy intellectually challenged by Weis' pro-style playbook?
No. Nothing like that.
Brace yourself. This is what turned Theismann critical:
The chewing gum in Quinn's mouth Saturday at the draft.
His tie askew.
Hair that screamed - in Theismann's words - "just showered."
Theismann said he found Quinn's look "unprofessional" and that being on stage in front of millions constituted a "job interview." He said that when you evaluate a player, especially one in a leadership position, everything should be scrutinized.
If getting picked in the draft is a job interview, then it's a job interview where you already have the job. Those are the best kind.
Pretty-boy quarterbacks from Notre Dame are going to cause a certain amount of resentment, apparently even from pretty-boy quarterbacks from Notre Dame.
For all except Theismann, the long wait at Saturday's draft defused much of that for Quinn. His aplomb after getting passed over time and again helped turn him into a sympathetic figure all over the country.
Where the Browns drafted Quinn helped people warm up to him here. But clearly how he handled the disappointment in the hours he waited to get picked also was a factor.
If I were Quinn, the day would not have gone so smoothly.
Hour One: use tie to wipe forehead and hide anguish.
Hour Two: put on fake nose and glasses to throw off ESPN cameras.
Hour Three: assume fetal position, muttering, "Why me, why now?"
Hour Four: cling to Roger Goodell's trouser leg every time he walks to the podium.
The most logical place for pre-draft resentment of Quinn to breed was among those with thick waists, thin hair and even thinner scrapbooks. Not from another Golden Domer still in possession of a surfer's paradise pompadour.
The comments by Theismann (rhymes with "curmudgeon") do not even make the unabridged list of major concerns here.
Will Quinn sign quickly, or become enamored with the idea that he was rated much higher on draft boards than where he was selected?
If Quinn wins the starting job, will he command the huddle when Kellen Winslow Jr. and Braylon Edwards campaign for the ball in stereo?
Did Miami know something about Quinn the Browns didn't? Is that why the Dolphins passed him up for a still recovering Ted Ginn Jr?
If 50 percent of quarterbacks taken in the first round don't work out, is it him or JaMarcus Russell this time? Neither? Both?
Chew on that and forget the gum.
I wish to wash my Irish wristwatch......
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Phil Savage says Quinn's no Boller
Charlie Weis says Quinn is a mix of Peyton Manning and Tom Brady
Tom Brady in Big Games his senior year at Michigan
73.9% vs (10-3) Alabama
73.2% vs (10-2) Michigan State
63.0% vs (10-2) Wisconsin
47.2% vs (10-3) Penn State
Michigan was 3-1 in those games
Peyton Manning in Big Games his senior year at Tennessee
77.5% vs (10-2) Georgia
67.7% vs (13-0) Nebraska
58.1% vs (10-3) Auburn
57.1% vs (10-2) UCLA
56.9% vs (10-2) Florida
Tennessee was 3-2 in those games
Brady Quinn in Big Games his senior year at Notre Dame
50.0% vs (11-2) Michigan
48.9% vs (11-2) USC
42.9% vs (11-2) LSU
Notre Dame was 0-3 in those games
I think Charlie Weis is blowing out more hot air. I think Savage is correct that Quinn is no Boller.
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Can you read? If you could then I'm sure you could have read my last line and would know my point.
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Don't you think it's time to stop? Even Soup has simmered in his pot of chicken broth now that Quinn is on board... Guess you could be the vegetables that need to be stirred into his pot..
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