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Originally Posted By: PerfectSpiral
Originally Posted By: Swish
I'm trying to figure out why those on this board expect some to follow religious laws even though some gays, and even straight people don't practice said religion.

isn't that exactly what muslims force their people to do in the middle east?

is that what we are now?


Exactly brother. That's what & where we are now. We've become segregated by the worlds religions and races. Until we all realize we all come from the same biological genetic makeup, (I call the "Human Race"), we'll continue to encounter bigotry, racism, and holy wars in the name of said religions.


Yes, where the secular world kills its own children before they are born, promotes all every of promiscuity, and practice every kind of
self worship
egoism/egotism
self-centeredness
arrogance
assurance
boastfulness
boasting
bragging
conceit
conceitedness
egocentricity
egomania
gasconade
haughtiness
insolence
megalomania
narcissism
ostentation
overconfidence
preoccupation with self
presumption
pride
self-absorption
self-admiration
self-confidence
self-importance
self-interest
self-love
self-possession
self-regard
self-worship
selfishness
superiority
swellheadedness
vainglory
vanity
vaunting
vanity
noun. conceit, egotism
affectation
airs
arrogance
big-headedness
conceitedness
display
ego trip
narcissism
ostentation
pretension
pride
self-admiration
self-love
self-worship
show
showing off
smugness
vainglory
egoism
noun. self-centeredness
arrogance
assurance
boastfulness
boasting
bragging
conceit
conceitedness
egocentricity
egomania
egotism
gasconade
haughtiness
insolence
megalomania
narcissism
ostentation
overconfidence
presumption
pride
self-absorption
self-admiration
self-confidence
self-importance
self-interest
self-love
self-possession
self-regard
self-worship
selfishness
superiority
swellheadedness
vainglory
vanity
vaunting
selfishness
self-regard
greed
self-centeredness
self-indulgence
self-worship
stinginess
narcissism
noun. egotism
amour-propre
arrogance
assurance
boastfulness
boasting
bragging
conceit
conceitedness
ego
egocentricity
egoism
egomania
gasconade
haughtiness
insolence
ostentation
overconfidence
presumption
pride
self-absorption
self-admiration
self-confidence
self-importance
self-interest
self-love
self-possession
self-regard
self-worship
selfishness
superiority
swellheadedness
vainglory
vainness
vanity
vaunting
self-absorption
noun. egoism
arrogance
assurance
boastfulness
boasting
bragging
conceit
conceitedness
egocentricity
egocentrism
egomania
egotism
gasconade
haughtiness
insolence
megalomania
narcissism
ostentation
overconfidence
presumption
pride
self-admiration
self-centeredness
self-confidence
self-importance
self-interest
self-involvement
self-love
self-possession
self-regard
self-worship
selfishness
superiority
swellheadedness
vainglory
vanity
vaunting

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damn near all of those words you listed are being practiced by the same people who you defend as Wall street and big corporations.

so which is it? are you for greed of corporations, or not?

because you claim to be christian, but what you support in other threads aren't very christian like.


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Forget same sex marriages in Alabama... what is their stance on same family member marriages?

They would effect more people I thnk

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I want to add a few things here, and also say that I probably was too strong in my language about others actions. For that I apologize.

I have been doing study on the meaning of the word "repent", and "repentance", going to the time of Jesus and his Disciples.

My meaning was that we should have a change of heart towards out habitual sins, those things we do all the time, and accept as a part of our lives.I think that I am close on this, but maybe there is a subtle difference.

The word "repent, in the original Greek, is metanoia. (the noun of metanoeo) This literally means to change ones mind. If we repent of our sins, then we are to change our minds about how we see those things, we are to reconsider, and to think differently afterwards. I think that his implies an aspect of turning away from sins, but perhaps it is not the vital aspect. To repent, we need to change our minds about how we see something. If we repent of our sins, then we needs to change the way we see our sins. I have always thought that repentance also includes an aspect of turning away from sin, but the more I think about this, the more I am unsure. However, the Bible does tell us that when we repent, we should have a change in our actions. That is not the most important thing though. Believe and faith in Jesus Christ, as the words had meaning for the writers of the Bible, is.

Luke 3:8 says, Produce fruit in keeping with repentance. In other words, if we change our minds, and follow Jesus, our actions should be in accord with what Jesus would have us do. I greatly struggle with the idea of changing my mind about sins, especially in my own life. It seems almost hopeless to completely turn away from sin, and I don't think that is what is being said here. I do think that God wants us to not flaunt our sins, instead accepting that we sin, but not that we want to, or look forward to doing so. However, I think that the action shows repentance, not that it is repentance. I think that I may have .. *ahem* .... overstated my position on that. If we accept the Bible, then God saved us solely and completely through faith and belief in Jesus Christ. I still believe that this faith and belief has to have outward signs.

Acts 3: 19 says, Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord, If we take repent to mean "change our minds", then we should change our minds and turn to God, so that He may blot out our sins. Again, this idea of changing our minds comes to the fore. We should change our minds about sin.

Acts 26:20 says, First to those in Damascus, then to those in Jerusalem and in all Judea, and then to the Gentiles, I preached that they should repent and turn to God and demonstrate their repentance by their deeds. Again, repentance has a change of mind, or a change of heart, that is demonstrated by the way we act, and what we do.

We all sin. We all commit the same sins over and over, only some of us commit different, or more outwardly more visible sins than others. I think that we definitely are supposed to change the way we think about those sinful actions, but belief in Christ is enough to bring about salvation.

The words "faith" and "believe" are also used, and to have faith, or to believe, includes an aspect of relying upon that which you believe. We are to believe in Jesus Christ in order to be saved. Completely and totally believe. This `00%, absolute and complete belief and will to follow is faith. If we put it on a scale, one one side would be Jesus, and belief in Him, and on the other side would be everything else man can possibly do. If we only believe in Jesus 95% for our salvation, that is not enough.

The Bible says that we must believe in Jesus as our Lord and Savior. When we do this, we receive Christ into our hearts, and we should change our minds about sin. Anyway, that is my $0.02 for today. I apologize if I unnecessarily or unduly hurt anyone. That was not my intention. I do think that it is up to each of us to examine our own lives and see if we are living in accord with the repentance we should find with the Holy Spirit in our hearts. That is where my focus will be for right now, in my life, especially. I still question whether we can truly be saved if we flaunt our sins to God, and refuse to change, even when violating His Commands. I still think that some say "I believe", only because that is what they are supposed to do, not because they necessarily truly do believe. However, that is between them and God. I am going to work on my own spiritual life.


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Originally Posted By: YTownBrownsFan
I want to add a few things here, and also say that I probably was too strong in my language about others actions. For that I apologize.

I have been doing study on the meaning of the word "repent", and "repentance", going to the time of Jesus and his Disciples.

My meaning was that we should have a change of heart towards out habitual sins, those things we do all the time, and accept as a part of our lives.I tnnhink that I am close on this, but maybe there is a subtle difference.

The word "repent, in the original Greek, is metanoia. (the noun of metanoeo) This literally means to change ones mind. If we repent of our sins, then we are to change our minds about how we see those things, we are to reconsider, and to think differently afterwards. I think that his implies an aspect of turning away from sins, but perhaps it is not the vital aspect. To repent, we need to change our minds about how we see something. If we repent of our sins, then we needs to change the way we see our sins. I have always thought that repentance also includes an aspect of turning away from sin, but the more I think about this, the more I am unsure. However, the Bible does tell us that when we repent, we should have a change in our actions. That is not the most important thing though. Believe and faith in Jesus Christ, as the words had meaning for the writers of the Bible, is.

Luke 3:8 says, Produce fruit in keeping with repentance. In other words, if we change our minds, and follow Jesus, our actions should be in accord with what Jesus would have us do. I greatly struggle with the idea of changing my mind about sins, especially in my own life. It seems almost hopeless to completely turn away from sin, and I don't think that is what is being said here. I do think that God wants us to not flaunt our sins, instead accepting that we sin, but not that we want to, or look forward to doing so. However, I think that the action shows repentance, not that it is repentance. I think that I may have .. *ahem* .... overstated my position on that. If we accept the Bible, then God saved us solely and completely through faith and belief in Jesus Christ. I still believe that this faith and belief has to have outward signs.

Acts 3: 19 says, Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord, If we take repent to mean "change our minds", then we should change our minds and turn to God, so that He may blot out our sins. Again, this idea of changing our minds comes to the fore. We should change our minds about sin.

Acts 26:20 says, First to those in Damascus, then to those in Jerusalem and in all Judea, and then to the Gentiles, I preached that they should repent and turn to God and demonstrate their repentance by their deeds. Again, repentance has a change of mind, or a change of heart, that is demonstrated by the way we act, and what we do.

We all sin. We all commit the same sins over and over, only some of us commit different, or more outwardly more visible sins than others. I think that we definitely are supposed to change the way we think about those sinful actions, but belief in Christ is enough to bring about salvation.

The words "faith" and "believe" are also used, and to have faith, or to believe, includes an aspect of relying upon that which you believe. We are to believe in Jesus Christ in order to be saved. Completely and totally believe. This `00%, absolute and complete belief and will to follow is faith. If we put it on a scale, one one side would be Jesus, and belief in Him, and on the other side would be everything else man can possibly do. If we only believe in Jesus 95% for our salvation, that is not enough.

The Bible says that we must believe in Jesus as our Lord and Savior. When we do this, we receive Christ into our hearts, and we should change our minds about sin. Anyway, that is my $0.02 for today. I apologize if I unnecessarily or unduly hurt anyone. That was not my intention. I do think that it is up to each of us to examine our own lives and see if we are living in accord with the repentance we should find with the Holy Spirit in our hearts. That is where my focus will be for right now, in my life, especially. I still question whether we can truly be saved if we flaunt our sins to God, and refuse to change, even when violating His Commands. I still think that some say "I believe", only because that is what they are supposed to do, not because they necessarily truly do believe. However, that is between them and God. I am going to work on my own spiritual life.


I see you've been doing some reflecting YTown. So have I. We all need to do the same. Nice post!


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Given that such a ridiculously high rate of same sex marriages end in divorce (pushing somewhere close to 60% I believe), its hard to say that state sanctioned marriages are representative of some societal bastion of morality. Judging by some of the rationale on this thread, shouldn't the gov't be forcing people to stay married? I mean, if the idea of state sanctioned marriage is the keystone of society and civilization, why do we "let" so many fail?

If you don't think we should force people to keep the commitment they made, how can you justify denying other people who want to enter in to such a commitment?

(anarchy, this isn't necessarily directed at you.. I just hit the quick reply... I use the word "you" in the general sense)

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I don't even think divorce should be allowed anyways unless adultery is committed and I am fine with the death penalty for that as well. Then you have no divorce to worry about =)

Yes, I know no one else agree with me but that is why it's MY opinion =)


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I don't even think divorce should be allowed anyways unless adultery is committed and I am fine with the death penalty for that as well. Then you have no divorce to worry about =)

Yes, I know no one else agree with me but that is why it's MY opinion =)


please don't ever complain about muslims in the middle east. ever. as long as you do that, then sure, you won't be labeled as a hypocrite. I'll be watching.


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There are plenty of things wrong with muslims in the middle east. I just support old testament law because it gets rid of the bad elements of society very fast.

Treating women as property and forcing 8 year old girls into marriage I will never agree with. I also know there are plenty of good muslims out there. I know quite a few personally. There are good and bad in all major religions. I promise I have said on this forum that I have just as much disdain for wishy washy Christians who are just as lost as everyone else.

I don't say things to be popular so label me however you like. I will always speak my mind and what I believe in. You will find me to be very consistent even if you don't agree with me.


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