DawgTalkers.net Forums The Archives 2015 NFL Season The NFL Draft 2015 A list of players to chose from at picks @12,19 and 43

12
Scherff
Fowler
Shelton
Brown
White

19
Any of those
Erving
Dupree
Parker

43
Any player on your list

@ 12
White
Brown
Parker
Shelton
Fowler

@ 19 Any of the above +
Erving
Dupree
Strong
Shheff

@ 43 the above +
Willams
Smith
Edwards
Flowers
Beasley
Ray
Gregory

Well since I think Shelton, White, Parker, Ray, Beasley, Gregory, and Fowler all to be gone by the time we pick at 12 I guess I'll go with:

12) OT Scherff
19) DT Brown
43) TE Williams

No way in hell this happens, but if I'm picking from that list:

12) Shane Ray
19) Kevin White
43) Maxx Williams

#12 - Kevin White WR/West Virginia --OR-- Danny Shelton DT/Washington

#19 - Ereck Flowers OT/Miami --OR-- Vic Beasley OLB/Clemson

#43 - Malcom Brown DT/Texas --OR-- Jaelen Strong WR/Arizona State --OR-- Bryce Petty QB/Baylor

White, Flowers and Brown would be an A+ draft grade in my opinion.

Either way I think our first three picks are DL, RT, and WR in no particular order.

I really like Jealen Strong in the 2nd round if we still need a WR right there, but after the monster combine that Kevin White had I think he could immediately be our #1 wide receiver if we take him at #12.

I like your idea.. but I think you need a "tier" system..

Give people to chose from for 12, then 19, then 43..

Because if we came out of the first two rounds with Shelton, White, and Maxx Williams.. I might literally crap my pants..

since you didn't make any rules, I will take 3 of my favorite players in this draft:

Fowler, Shelton, Parker

It's more likely all 3 are gone before 12 than we get all 3 (far more likely), but hey, why not

Quick Post-Combine mock for me:

1a DE Malcom Brown
1b OLB Owamagbe Odighizuwa
2 WR Nelson Agholor
3 WR Rashad Greene
4a OT Mitch Morse
4b CB Ladarius Gunter
5 NT Terry Williams
6a C Max Garcia
6b RB Josh Robinson
7 TE Westlee Tonga

I see Agholor, I don't see a giant fullback from Alabama. That makes me sad.

Do you really think Garcia makes it to the 6th or is that more a hope?

I would be surprised...but you are much more up on these guys than I am.

Man it's really hard to say. He didn't do anything at the combine, which could help. A lot of teams drafted centers last year which could make some guys fall. Mostly I put him there in the 6th because I'm comfortable with Dillon Day as a replacement. I'm not as comfortable with a backup nose tackle or corner. But yeah he's really big and powerful. He's definitely better than that 6th rounder. CBS still has him listed as 224 overall, so I hope he can make it to a later pick for us.

I've said I think we should take BPA for the first 3 rounds, but I also REALLY like Kevin White. I like Parker, similar to Mike Evans in that he is a big target we will go high to fight for the ball, a great red zone threat. But white is a big guy with great hands and SPEED!

So I'm revising; I think we should get White with one of the 1st round picks.

I think the big 3 WR's will all be off the board when the Browns pick at 12 but a pass rusher will fall. With Vic Beasley having a great combine I think the player that will fall is

#12 Shane Ray OLB Missouri

With the next pick the Browns will be looking to solidify the OL and another player that will fall when the WR hungry teams like Kansas City, Miami, and San Fran reach for the next set of receivers like Strong, Coates, and Conley is

#19 Ereck Flowers OT Miami

At #43 the Browns will find the receiver whi is

#43 Nelson Agholor WR USC

those are my favorites as well...Fowler looked dynamite, if he somehow slid to us at #12 Id be ecstatic

OK, so by my tabulation

2 QB's Winston, Mariota
3 WR's White, Cooper, Parker
1 OL Schreif
4 DE Beasley, Fowler, Ray, Gregory
2 DT Shelton, Williams

That is 12, and we pick at 12. The next group sitting at 19...

2 OL Collins, Clemmings, Peat, Flowers
1 DL Brown
1 DE DuPree
1 WR Strong

and 2 outliers (non-needs) that can expected to be taken.

1 SS Collins
1 CB Waynes

so from a math perspective, WR and DE will be one of the first 12. and the other or an OL will be there at 19.

At 43, the Browns can fill a WE/DT/DE need if not picked, or go with QB Petty if he is on the board.

1 QB Petty

From your lips to God's ears, I hope you have to change your pants.

Longer than Joe Thomas', but shorter than Cyrus Kouandjio's.

As usual we have an opportunity to get 3 really good players with our 1st 3 picks and as usual when our FO is done with those picks we as Browns fans will come away feeling we did not get all that we should and could have. That's the way I always feel. Bank on it.

His arms were on the shorter side. Scherff was 33 3/8"... La'el Collins was 33 1/4", Ogbueghi and Clemmings were >35". I would be happy to bet that Scherff and Collins are better tackles in the pros than those other two guys.

My point was that the short arms thing (for OTs) is a myth perpetrated by people who want to be able to quantify talent.

Joe Thomas (32 1/2") and Jake Long (32 7/8")

Here's something from 5 years ago:

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/12020/daily-mailbag-the-insanity-of-short-arms

Thank you, thank you, Mallory of St. Paul, for providing me the opportunity to address the most ridiculous thing I heard or read during the NFL draft. Take it away, Mallory:

I've heard a lot of various experts and analysts project that Green Bay's Bryan Bulaga will struggle to adapt to left tackle in the NFL due to short arms. But, checking combine numbers, his arms (33 1/4") were longer than NFL left tackles Joe Thomas (32 1/2") and Jake Long (32 7/8").

Both of these guys are able to play left tackle effectively in the NFL regardless of their arm length, so why are people making such a big deal about this? Is there really a huge correlation between "arm length" and being effective as a left tackle in the NFL? Is Bulaga being unfairly criticized because he attended the same school and played the same position as notorious NFL bust Robert Gallery (32 1/4" arms)?

[+] EnlargeBryan Bulaga
Chuck Rydlewski/Icon SMIThe Packers drafted Bryan Bulaga with the 23rd pick in the first round.
Yes, Mallory. This is draft analysis gone mad. Bonkers. Completely berserk. And this time, I'm not being sarcastic. Anyone who is worried about Bryan Bulaga because his arms are 2 3/4 inches shorter than the NFL ideal will have their Black and Blue blog membership cards rescinded. Go away. We don't want you anymore.

(OK, maybe that last sentiment is a slight exaggeration.)

I have no idea if Bulaga will flop or one day enter the Pro Football Hall of Fame. But I guarantee that if he flops, it won't be because his arms are too short. What do you people think? That Julius Peppers is just going to put his hand on Bulaga's head, sit there and laugh while Bulaga flails away? Come on.

I better take in some oxygen here. ....

There. That's better.

There's no doubt that in a vacuum, long arms beat the alternative when it comes to offensive tackles. If they could all have Inspector Gadget's tools, they would. The further you can reach, the better. Wingspan no doubt helps when you're protecting an open edge. But ask any offensive line coach about the ideal skills of a left tackle, and most of them will tell you that footwork is more important.

You block with your feet as much as with your hands. Getting yourself into proper position between the pass-rusher and the quarterback is most critical. If you're lunging at a pass-rusher, it doesn't matter whether you have 70-inch hoses attached to your shoulder. You're going to get beat.

On that topic, here's what Scouts Inc. had to say about Bulaga:

Gets set quickly, locks out arms and can ride explosive edge rushers past the pocket. Shows excellent body control and footwork when forced to redirect.

Credit Bulaga for having a sense of humor on the issue. He recently told the Des Moines Register: "I never really got myself in a position where I thought, 'Gosh, I wish my arms were longer.'"

I'm sure you could find some NFL scouts who question Bulaga's long-term viability. There is rarely consensus on any NFL draft prospect. But arm length? FAIL. Go back and find me something that matters.

I hope we have a board with 43 players on it, and take the highest rated player on it when our picks come up, barring a ridiculous trade offer to move down a few spots etc..

I don't want to hear we took this guy at 19 because we really liked him but didn't think he'd last to 43..

I've heard that the Patriots go into the draft with a board of 50 players.

Why would you need a board of 50 when only 42 of them will be gone at the 43rd pick.. And the point of the board is that player 43 is "better" than players 44-50?

I have heard that it is typically around 100 based upon draft position scheme, character and other issues that make certain players not selectable.

e.g. do you think any of the consensus top 10 players would be on the NE board?

I meant that they only have 50 players that they are willing to draft in the entire draft. If the value isn't right they trade out.

Ah, gotcha.

At 12,if still there definitely Kevin White,I'm at podium before Goodell so FO doesn't blow it, but by all indications since combine he's probably not there,my choice is Jaleen Strong. At 19 hello trench time one of OTs preferably Brandon Scherff or should Danny Shelton be available snag him,then at 43 it's between Maxx Williams and Cameron Erving depending upon no. 19 pick and if Max Williams still there you snag him to replace Cameron Jordan.

I didn't think Williams would be a good 5-technique, but Watt started off as a TE, too, so you might be on to something.

Well... hypothetically, if you have the 30 pick and the best guy on your board is a LB so you take the LB.. then you get to your next pick at 43 and the best guy left from your board is another LB.. but you don't want to take 2 LBers... So you then have 44-50 left at different positions to choose from.

You can't tell me that the skill difference between your guy ranked 43 and your guy ranked 44 is SOOOOOOO great, that it warrants drafting a guy at a position you don't need just to follow your board rankings.

I can see how having a couple mores names would be helpful..

But the base idea is still there... Don't get cute, draft the best guys available at your spot..

Hey man, I agree. I don't have a problem going from 43 to 45 on your board to fill a spot you NEED.. but don't go from 43 to 75 because you have this sudden gut feeling that you have to have a guy.

Reminds me of us drafting Weeden, beyond the fact that drafting Brandon Weeden at all was dumb..

We (IMO) assumed Kendall Wright would be there at 22, and when he wasn't.. It was like we just moved every pick we had up a spot..

Ironically Kendall Wright also sucks.