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http://www.vox.com/2015/2/24/8102717/hom..._source=twitter

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The Chicago Police Department maintains a secretive facility where law enforcement allegedly house, interrogate, and abuse detainees in a style that's been compared to CIA black sites, according to a new investigation by the Guardian's Spencer Ackerman.

Homan Square, a warehouse on Chicago's west side, has long been used by secret police units, sometimes in operations that deny basic constitutional rights, people familiar with the facility told the Guardian. It's reportedly used by police for anti-gang, anti-drug, and counter-terrorism investigations.

The Guardian detailed several abuses: police interrogations without reading Miranda rights, lack of access to attorneys, keeping arrestees out of official booking databases, beatings by police, shacklings for long periods of time, and holding people — even children as young as 15 — without legal counsel between 12 and 24 hours. One man was reportedly found unresponsive in an interview room at Homan Square and later pronounced dead; it remains unclear why he was in police custody in the first place.

Lawyers who try to access the facility are most often turned away — even as their clients remain in custody, the Guardian noted.

Many of these practices violate the Chicago Police Department's guidelines, which require officers to allow legal representation, grant "a reasonable number of telephone calls," and not delay the booking process due to investigations or interrogations, according to the Guardian.

Brian Church, who was held at Homan Square for 17 hours in 2012 after a police raid, compared the warehouse to the US's secret interrogation facilities for terrorist suspects around the world. "It brings to mind the interrogation facilities that they use in the Middle East," Church said. "It's a domestic black site."

Church was found not guilty of terrorism-related charges. He's currently on parole after serving two-and-a-half years in prison for possessing an incendiary device and a misdemeanor "mob action" charge, according to the Guardian.

Other people detained at the facility declined to speak to the UK-based news outlet, reportedly out of fear of police retaliation.

The Chicago Police Department, which has come under criticism for other abusive practices, didn't respond to the Guardian's questions about Homan Square. A former Chicago Police superintendent and a recently retired detective, both of whom were reportedly inside Homan Square in the past few years in a post-police capacity, told the Guardian that the department didn't operate at the facility until the late 1990s.

For more information, make sure to read the Guardian's full report on Homan Square.


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I remember seeing a thing a few weeks ago on twitter about a boy who was housed here. I think there was an article too about how this place is ran like Gitmo by Gitmo guards too. I'll try to find it.

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I wish this was harder to believe than it is. If true, the list of people who go to jail for this should be long and distinguished... unfortunately, they will figure out a way to pick a select few mid-level to low-level folks, pin the whole thing on them as if they set it up and ran it on their own, while the higher ups "retire" with a nice retirement plan.


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Sounds like hyped up hogwash to me. Reminds me of the Rolling Stone bull about the Virginia Tech rapes.

Time will tell.

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That was UVA, not Virginia Tech..


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Originally Posted By: CHSDawg
I remember seeing a thing a few weeks ago on twitter about a boy who was housed here. I think there was an article too about how this place is ran like Gitmo by Gitmo guards too. I'll try to find it.


http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/18/guantanamo-torture-chicago-police-brutality

Found it. There's also a few more parts at the end of the link.

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Sounds like hyped up hogwash to me. Reminds me of the Rolling Stone bull about the Virginia Tech rapes.

Time will tell.


whats hyped up about having some backdoor jailhouse for more or less torture?


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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
Sounds like hyped up hogwash to me. Reminds me of the Rolling Stone bull about the Virginia Tech rapes.

Time will tell.


The guy who parrots completely false nonsense simply because he read it in a chain email is suddenly skeptical?

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Alligators in winter. Parakeets all the time.

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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
Alligators in winter. Parakeets all the time.


Are you aware of the irony in a man who appears unable to speak for himself, whose primary mode of expression is to copy and paste the words of others, without giving any thought to their truth of meaning, insinuating that others are parroting or exhibiting the actions of a mynah bird?

As always, when you exemplify the accusations you level at others, it usually has the opposite of intent.

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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
Alligators in winter. Parakeets all the time.


Are you aware of the irony in a man who appears unable to speak for himself, whose primary mode of expression is to copy and paste the words of others, without giving any thought to their truth of meaning, insinuating that others are parroting or exhibiting the actions of a mynah bird?

As always, when you exemplify the accusations you level at others, it usually has the opposite of intent.


Now, I know you're at another funeral and all......but do you really want to continue to post like this - all while it's been over a month since you were going to post a thesis in a different thread?

Just asking.

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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
Alligators in winter. Parakeets all the time.


Are you aware of the irony in a man who appears unable to speak for himself, whose primary mode of expression is to copy and paste the words of others, without giving any thought to their truth of meaning, insinuating that others are parroting or exhibiting the actions of a mynah bird?

As always, when you exemplify the accusations you level at others, it usually has the opposite of intent.


Now, I know you're at another funeral and all......but do you really want to continue to post like this - all while it's been over a month since you were going to post a thesis in a different thread?

Just asking.


Come on now, 40 is a man. Let him fight his own battles.

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Originally Posted By: archbolddawg
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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
Alligators in winter. Parakeets all the time.


Are you aware of the irony in a man who appears unable to speak for himself, whose primary mode of expression is to copy and paste the words of others, without giving any thought to their truth of meaning, insinuating that others are parroting or exhibiting the actions of a mynah bird?

As always, when you exemplify the accusations you level at others, it usually has the opposite of intent.


Now, I know you're at another funeral and all......but do you really want to continue to post like this - all while it's been over a month since you were going to post a thesis in a different thread?

Just asking.


Come on now, 40 is a man. Let him fight his own battles.


40 is on his own.

I'm just pointing out that pdr has funerals to go to, so he can't post his thesis (which I truly would like to read), yet he has time to be snarky and troll. Seems odd.

I, too, have a funeral to go to. A friend - diagnosed with pancreatic cancer just over a year ago. She, her husband, and daughter went on vacation just after the diagnosis - due to the treatement she'd be getting.

A week ago, the specialist told them "we've done all we can do. No more chemo, no more treatment. I'm sorry. Weeks, to 3 months tops."

So, the wife, husband and now 16 year old daughter - all having known since the diagnosis - went to Florida this past Friday. Things got bad.......hospice in Fl. said "get her home" (on Sunday). Local people offered up 2 private jets - to fly down and get them on Monday morning. (obviously, only 1 jet was needed.) However, she died, in Florida, Monday morning.

And yes, she was a friend. A neighbor.

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Well yeah, posting a snarky sentence or two doesn't take the time needed to write a full on treatise on your ideas of religion and God. Honestly, even considering the passing of his two friends, it's hard to believe you guys expected him to get it done in a week or two. Writing, especially on important things, is time consuming to the fullest.

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I'm just pointing out that pdr has funerals to go to, so he can't post his thesis (which I truly would like to read), yet he has time to be snarky and troll. Seems odd.


It takes three sips of a beer in an airport bar to be snarky on a message board.

I'm in a cab now, would you like to know the mile marker we pass next?

And 40 is only interested in validating the concepts he's come to believe to be truth. Couple that with the fact that he's woefully inept at debate, and you have the two things that I traditionally go after the most.

If you want to knock me for going after low hanging fruit, bang, you got me. But there's a point beyond trolling to highlight that most people go into any given thread or article ready to argue or defend a certain point of view.

He just happens to be the most over-the-top and clumsy in that regard, so he's a perfect example.

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Originally Posted By: CHSDawg


Come on now, 40 is a man.


Proof? Link?

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And yes, she was a friend. A neighbor.


I am so sorry for your loss arch.

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This must be where Rahm Emanuel takes republicans.


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Originally Posted By: CHSDawg
Well yeah, posting a snarky sentence or two doesn't take the time needed to write a full on treatise on your ideas of religion and God. Honestly, even considering the passing of his two friends, it's hard to believe you guys expected him to get it done in a week or two. Writing, especially on important things, is time consuming to the fullest.


I think you were replying to me, not lyuokdea.

Hey, pdr is a man - let him defend himself.

And sorry - it hasn't been "a week or 2". Prior to spouting off, it's nice to have facts. But......

Also - pdr's words were "a considered thesis", not mine - his words.

This isn't graduate shcool. It shouldn't take months on months to come up with a considered thesis opinion.

I do look forward to reading it - if it ever gets written. Guy can post when he's in a cab - but needs a month plus to give his opinion - on something he has opined about many times before?

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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
Originally Posted By: archbolddawg


And yes, she was a friend. A neighbor.


I am so sorry for your loss arch.



Wasn't my loss. I lost a friend. Her husband lost his wife. The daughter lost her mom. She's 16. He's 50. But, thanks for the thoughts - however, I didn't want that part of the post to be about me, as it's not. There is now a 2 person family that has had their world torn apart. Dad, daughter.

I know, it happens daily. This one just so happened to happen to friends - neighbors.

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Well then I am sorry for their loss.

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This must be where Rahm Emanuel takes republicans.


From all I've heard, Rahm takes no prisoners....
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