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So why not keep jon AND Hoyer?

Again I ask - why skip off to a 10 year, 12 year scrub, when Hoyer was given the equivalent of 1 year?

I get tired of "we need a new qb", "we need a new front office" "we need a new coach" "we need a new owner"........why? Because we don't give anyone time to grow! Over and over and over. It's the same thing - do it and do it THIS year, or we'll go get someone else that's never done it.

Continuity. Apparently it's not understood in Cleveland.

I gave you a real answer.

“Obviously, he is a quarterback that has been in a number of systems and he has worked with (Browns offensive coordinator John DeFilippo) so there is some good familiarity between the two. We are excited to have him become part of our team and we look forward to him playing an important role in our offense.”

Can't say I am surprised by this move. And not surprised by guys defending it.

Our QB is older than our QB coach. Is he older than the OC, too?

I would much rather have Hoyer than McClown.

And again, for the brain dead---------if the Browns had taken Bridgewater last year, we wouldn't have had to make such a stupid move. Heck, we wouldn't even had to have done it if we had drafted Carr.............and maybe even Jimmy G.

Yes sir ree.............Farmer and Pettine know quarterbacks.

Can't say I am surprised by this move. And not surprised by guys defending it.

Our QB is older than our QB coach. Is he older than the OC, too?

I would much rather have Hoyer than McClown.

And again, for the brain dead---------if the Browns had taken Bridgewater last year, we wouldn't have had to make such a stupid move. Heck, we wouldn't even had to have done it if we had drafted Carr.............and maybe even Jimmy G.

Yes sir ree.............Farmer and Pettine know quarterbacks.

What makes you think Hoyer "wants a lot of money"? How would the Browns even know that, they never met with his agent or him this off season. All he did was go 10-6 as a starter. You think Josh McCown will go 10-6? I don't, I think he'll go 3-13 or 4-12. Yippee-ki-yay, happy days are here again.

Winning division games is as real as it gets in the NFL. Hoyer was at the helm when we beat - no, dominated
- Pitt and Cinci. Browns could easily have gone 5-1 vs AFCN this year if other people did their damn jobs.

So why not keep jon AND Hoyer?
Again I ask - why skip off to a 10 year, 12 year scrub, when Hoyer was given the equivalent of 1 year?

I get tired of "we need a new qb", "we need a new front office" "we need a new coach" "we need a new owner"........why? Because we don't give anyone time to grow! Over and over and over. It's the same thing - do it and do it THIS year, or we'll go get someone else that's never done it.

Continuity. Apparently it's not understood in Cleveland.

I really don't understand why everyone is acting like the sky is falling, this signing makes sense to me. Who were we going to get? Bradford? St Louis has said they're not trading him. Glennon? Young guy with mediocre numbers that would've cost us a draft pick. Same goes for Cousins. Hoyer? Let's be real. It's nice the local guy had some good moments last year but his play also cost us a few games. He wasn't the long term answer and he said flat out he wanted to play where he could start. With Manziel, Shaw and most likely another young QB we'll draft Hoyer did not want to be a mentor. He wasn't going to give insights to the young guys behind him fighting for his job because he wants to keep that job. McCown is what he is and knows what he is. He can start in a pinch but they brought him in to help with the young guys. He's familiar with DeFilippo and can help the young guns get acclimated to the offense as well as aid them wherever he can. He knows he's not the long term answer and accepted that. Hoyer didn't and as great a guy as he is, he wasn't going to help someone else take his job. McCown will help mentor Manziel and whichever young QBs are on this roster. If they're not ready McCown will start. If they are, he will back them up, mentor, and make a check for 3 more years

I said it months ago, Hoyer was gone and we would bring in someone with some talent but also someone we expect Johnny to beat out.

Calling our new player, who hasn't taken a snap for us, a derogatory name is always productive, pure football talk.

Excellent post PresidentDawg2, I agree +1

Oh shut up. Do you think he is reading?

Grow up.

Geez man, we DIDN'T take bridgewater last year. Get over it.

We didn't draft Peyton Manning, we didn't draft Ben blah burger, we didn't draft Rodgers, or Brady. If only we had, right?

WE DIDN'T DRAFT BRIDGEWATER, so quit harping about it. He's still an unknown anyway.

It isn't Pure Football. I gave that notion up a long time ago.

It's about egos, agendas, attitudes, perceptions, and nonsense. I'm just simply playing your game.

I really don't understand why everyone is acting like the sky is falling,

Fair enough.

The problem is we change qb's, and offensive coordinators at a rate that is utterly beyond comprehension.

We constantly hear about continuity........and what happens? Out with the one year old and in with the new program. Over and over.

There is no continuity when you start over year after year.

At some point in time someone needs to cowboy up and ride what we have. I guess we'll see if Manziel's first wasted year and subsequent rehab helps him or not. I hope he conquers whatever it is.......and figures things out, gets his head on straight and learns the game.

But by signing Josh, all we've done is pass the buck onto him. Another new guy (new to the Browns), another new system.

And yeah, about Manziel............I wasn't impressed with him in college, and no one was impressed with him in the nfl.

So, is Josh coming here to mentor Manziel? I doubt it. Josh is coming here because he got a contract. And, mark my words, next year will be the same as this year, but it will be Josh looking over his shoulder at a Manziel that thinks he's all that.

Wash, rinse, repeat.

Are you that clueless?

Farmer and Pettine are still here. The others are long gone.

How is NOT relevant?

They pass on Bridgewater and Carr and take Manziel, who is in rehab and looked like crap last year. They bring in McCown who sucks eggs because of that and we are supposed to ignore them passing on a franchise qb and say.............

"Man, these guys really understand the QB position!!!"

Please.

The emotional ties with Hoyer and his fan base wasnt good for the Browns. Johnny wasnt gonna get a chance to prove himself with Hoyer in the background. The reason Johnny was hated, wasnt because of his attitude or partying, it was because he was a threat to Hoyer's position as the starting qb of the Browns.

Hoyer, by all accounts was a real leader and quite popular with the Browns OL. I wonder what Joe T and Alex M are thinking tonight?

Give us some evidence on such a ridiculous claim.

Why isn't Bridewater a franchise QB.

Is Minni looking for another QB? Are they down on him? Were his numbers horrible? Did he play in a better or worse situation than what Manziel did? Was his competition worse or better?

You guys talk out your butts!