DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Browns Sign Josh McCown

Geez, I didn't know free agency was over already. Glad you filled me in on this move.

He is a stand up guy, just not a good QB on the field. Wow did he panic behind that O-line.

I live in Florida among these whacked out Bucs fans. We've had many discussions about their QB situation. I laughed when they released McCown and kept Glennon. Huge mistake! McCown was perfect for Winston. (they still think Mariota is the pick)

They keep saying I'm wrong but all I have to say is look at us and learn from our mistakes.

I see the writing on the wall. McCown was brought here to get Mariota ready for us.

Vers, I agree with a lot of things you post, but this one i can't.

Your not one of those posters who sights a stat and uses it to prove they are right. Don't start now.

That stat may very well be accurate, but it's also meaningless.

Rehab does one thing and one thing only. It shows you what your problem is. I guess you could also say that under medical care you can be helped thru the physical withdrawal that occurs in some instances as well, but thats not the point.

A ton of people get sent to rehab in lieu of jail. A ton get sent to AA meetings with court papers as well. The chances of these people getting well are slim to none. They are simply being exposed to the problem in hopes that one day they do. They aren't done...they haven't hit bottom. Gordon falls in this category.


The other side of they coin is someone who has hit bottom. If they can admit that they are powerless, and their life is un-manageable then they have a chance if they do what is suggested. If, and only if, Manziel went on his own, then its possible he can recover...and since that's what was reported, its all we can go by.


I do understand your underlying point, but we really can't say at this point. I personally think they attributed much of manziel's antics to youth. You can also be a heavy drinker and just stop, or cut back. How many people drink like crazy in college, then mellow out after? Its possible that when he got all that money that things got out of control fast.

If Manziel returns to his old ways, then we have a huge bust.

If Manziel surrounds himself with a support group, then you just might be in for a pleasant surprise.

And the reality is that we are talking about someones life. Forget qb. If i had the money Manziel had when i was his age i would have been dead for sure.

why does this organization continue to pursue QBs who offer nothing more than being a mentor and a "nice guy" for the organiation?
this signing reminds me of the past when the Browns signed Jake Delhomme.
He came off a very unimpressive previous year and the as soon as he was available,the Browns couldn't wait to sign him.
if this organization was committed to winning it never would have signed McCown.
different regime..same results.

There is a chorus of posters who have been saying that M<cCown's signing can't be the final answer for the position this year. My first reaction was although I agree its far from perfect most other options are as undesirable. I don't see the value in using picks between rounds 1 and 4 on another project QB including Bryce Petty. After more thought I settled on a prospect that could possibly be selected in rounds 5 or 6 that has size, can make NFL throws, has experience in a pro-style offense and would not complicate the probable 2016 QB search if/when Manziel future is clarified.

That prospect is Sean Mannion.

Of course he has flaws, most notably footwork and he isn't very athletic overall. That's why he would be available late. But he does have some skills that could be developed particularly if our offensive staff is as skilled as they're touted to be.

There is no way we have enough fire power to move up to get Mariota. Yes we have 2 first rounders, but it's gonna take way more than that and they are not gonna bet the house for another bust possibility. I think it's funny to hear reports that the Kelly wants him in Philly. Ummm how the hell would they pull that off? It's just a bunch of media nonsense.

McCown was brought here to start this coming year and to keep the seat warm for whoever they can draft in 2016. We are in for a beat down this coming year.

I agree...teams reach on QBs so badly, thus the huge amount of busts...Then again he can't be any worse than Weeden...its true we need a QB in the worst way...I just hate all these huge gambles year in and year out

The McCown signing makes perfect sense to me, and does not preclude picking a quarterback in this draft, whether it be Hundley, Mannion, Grayson, Petty, etc.
We still may have something in Manziel; we don't know. Gotta find out. But we can't bank on it, so we need a veteran who can start but won't be a negative in the locker room, which Hoyer was. I kind of don't blame him, but he was.
Now, there's not much point in keeping Connor Shaw (good guy that he is). But a developmental guy to go with the mix above, sure. And Hundley in the second round would be a pretty good deal, IMHO.

Most teams have four QBs until the regular season starts. So we would likely keep Shaw through training camp, along with one more unknown guy.

you and others if mcCown starts will be asking the "what happen to the o-line question" no doubt in my mind.

Are you saying that McCown will hold the ball too long? During McCown's successful stint with the Bears, their offensive line was very good.

yea thats what i am saying.

So why did the Bears offensive line play so well when McCown was playing during that five game stint?

(Legit question, not trying to be snarky.)

McCown was sacked 4.7% of his dropbacks in 2013. That was about the league average in 2014.

I did not watch many Buccaneer games, but I know that their offense was a disaster for most of the season.

In the end, I don't think it matters. I don't think McCown will do well either way.

It's clear we aren't going to be asking our QB to win games... just don't lose games. Hoyer crumbled 2nd half of the year and yes some of that was the O line but enough of it was him that I'm ok moving on. We need to strengthen our O and D lines. Shut down D with a punishing running game. We just need a QB that can make the D pay when they obviously stack the box and I think McCown can do that.

So you're saying other than the two top QB picks there are NO quarterbacks in this draft? A guy taken in the third just took the Seahawks to two Super Bowls, winning one. Tom Brady, taken in the 6th, just beat him to win his fourth in 6 tries. A lot of quarterbacks last until later in the first or even lower. Flacco wasn't drafted until later in the first.... tiny Ben went close to where we are drafting this year....

Then of course there's the trade market. We have a lot of ammo if we were to trade for a QB. Not likley now that we signed McCown, but it SHOULD have been an option. Who would you rather have starting? McCown or Foles? A 2nd rounder would probably have been sufficient to get him.

What McCown means is Johnny will start, and WHEN(not if) he gets hurt, we'll have a QB under center thats LOST close to twice as many games as he's won. A career 58% completion avg. And a guy who's scored 2 more TD's than Int's in his career.
5-11 here we come. I figure the over under for Johnny going down is about 3 games. His tiny little body probably won't last much more than that unless he learns how to stand in the damned pocket and THROW the ball instead of running around like Fran Tarkenton.

Then who IS going to win them? Our star studded wide reciever corp? Oh yes, Farmer doesn't think much of the position so we have no weapons that can score there. We did score 16 rushing touchdowns last season, but then we ran Shanahan out of town and hired a noob to take his place. I seriously doubt we repeat that 16 TD performance again. And even if we did, having no passing game means we will come up drastically short in the scoring department.

Who has a shut down D? We can't stop the run. We can't get pressure on the QB. We run an NPD not a shut down D. We stand around and watch the opposing QB pick us apart. Our ONLY strength on D is our secondary. And while yes, our D line needs some work, our REAL problem is LINEBACKING. We are woefully talent poor at the most important position in a 3-4 D. Linebackers make the 3-4 go and ours are mediocre at best.
If we had properly addressed the QB and WR position LAST year I would be calling for us to take two linebackers in the first this year (if there were two worthy that is). Sheard is a DE. And I don't know what the hell Mingo is. But I do know TWO sacks isn't going to CUT it.

You're joking right? We don't have the fire power to move up? How many picks do we have? We;re talking 12 to 5th spot or better. 2-5 don't need a QB so unless the Jets move up we have a damn good shot.

How many pro bowlers are on this team? 6 from 2 yrs ago, 4 last year? Get the damn QB NOW! I don't care if it takes all our picks. It's the same results as letting McCown start next year....3-13 Bet the house? They've been drafting busts since 99....whats the difference?

funny you should ask. i was just going to watch some of those games lol.

j/c

youtube josh

At least it wasn't a backhanded flip...

Hope you are joking about this team being just a QB away. Don't let the stupid pro bowl count fool you. This team has more holes than Swiss cheese. The offensive line might be the best part of the team by far, if they can find a RT. The defensive front needs a complete overhaul and special teams has been a complete disaster the last few years.

Every bad team is a QB away.

Just look at the Colts. . .

And we arent even a "bad" team..

I will never understand how people can't understand this concept..

If you put Luck on the Browns they make the AFC title game easily..

Exactly, for the last 3 years easily.

I recall a thread from last season about how deep our D-line was. Some said it was better than Seattle *may have been Vers IIRC) and now all of a sudden that's a weak spot...hmmm

We lost our best pass rusher for the season in Armonty Bryant who was really starting to break out when he popped his acl.

We lost Winn for the first half the year.
Hughes for the most of the year.
Big Phil most of the year.
Rubin played injured all year and had a rough split in his personal life.
Desmond Bryant was just getting back mentally and he battled a hand injury most of the year.
Sheard high ankle sprain never really got well.

Hell by the end of the year we had guys getting significant playing time that I had never heard of. We never got to see this dl play together to be honest.

I've said the same thing too. You put Luck on this team with 1 more solid draft and FA period and we are a title game contender for many years.

That was an awful play, but all qbs have awful plays.

I don't hate the guy, but what bothers me is what this move means in regards to how our FO is looking at the QB position.

Many of you like to bad-mouth my opinions, but man......I really doubt this is going to turn out good.

The McCown signing is baffling. He was 1-10 last season as a starter. I think the hardest thing for me to wrap my head around is that its a 3 year deal worth 5 million a year. WHY? JUST WHY?

I have no faith whatsoever in Ray Farmer at this point. I'm not sure how any of this is going to work out.

I feel hopeless just like I did going into year two of the Pat Shurmur era. I hope these guys can turn it around and give me something to cheer for.

Come on though we are talking Andrew Luck. This stupid team would have probably passed on Luck for RGIII.

No, it wasn't vers.

Any QB we signed was going to cost about the same. The price is not the issue, it is the guy we chose.

My main problem with signing McCown is it likely takes us out of the market if another better QB becomes available. What if the Bears released Cutler? Or the Rams with Bradford?

We rushed to sign McCown when there were going to be equally as good options available in two weeks.

I really hope McCown's intangibles are worth it.

This team most certainly needs a qb. We could have had Teddy, but the FO passed on him.

We would NOT be having this conversation if we had drafted Teddy. That is a fact!!!!

I have seen nothing from this FO that leads me to believe they understand the QB position.

Additionally, this team has other issues. Knowing how to win is the biggest of them.

What concerns me is the amount they paid. I mean when looking around the league, that's quite a bit for back-up money. To me the contract on the surface indicates that the odds of signing another FA QB are slim.

Now it's possible that Josh isn't all they'll do at the QB position and I'm willing to wait it out and see, but I don't see that as a likely scenario.

If this is their one and only move, I have to share your sentiment. I wasn't nearly as behind Manziel being our second choice last year and I've seen nothing to change my mind. I'm not saying he can't turn things around, but I'm certainly at the point that seeing is believing.

I have a very bad feeling.

Would we need to have signed a qb in FA if we had drafted Teddy instead of Manziel?

Why haven't you mentioned this before?!?!

Yeah, I was much more positive about Manziel than you were. I have to admit I was wrong and you were right..........at least, thus far.

We get it. We don't have Ted. We get it.

Can you change it?

Come on man, you're starting to sound like you have a one track mind, seriously.

WE DIDN'T DRAFT TED. It's time to deal with reality, not hindsight.

No we wouldn't and people keep trying to dismiss that like it didn't happen or that the indications so far leave questions about Teddy. Sure the jury is still out to some degree.

But there isn't a Browns fan on this board who would be discussing drafting a QB if our rookie QB had gone 6-6 as a starter last season.

I have many times. Why do you keep ignoring it?