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It's you who doesn't get it.

Why should I trust the FO in regards to evaluating QBs when they have made such boneheaded decisions?

Sorry man, but they have to overcome their poor decision w/at least one good one before I trust them.

How do you NOT get that?

But wouldn't you say that when it comes to evaluating the QB position, that you need to look at the entire body of work from your GM to gauge that? Or do we simply look forward and not look at the entire picture?

So far we have seen two QB picks after ours that have performed much better than the rookie Farmer drafted and the signing of a low hanging fruit FA QB.

At what point to we have a reason to look forward at the QB position rather than look back and question the decisions by those in the position to do so?

I mean Farmer is making a seven digit salary to do this job. I believe his decisions can rightfully be questioned.

Hoyer wants to be a starter. If your prediction stood, Teddy drafted and performed for Cleveland much like he did for Minnesota. I think Farmer would need some backup plan. A replacement for Hoyer would be needed. I think you still need a veteran presence. Odds a Cleveland QB surviving a season is not good either.

Farmer deserves to be questioned. But is there anything productive about bringing up the same point over and over again?

People pick and choose articles, such as the one Memphis posted. However, there was a recent article that quoted Hoyer as simply saying he only wanted a CHANCE to compete for the starting job.

If we had rightly drafted Teddy, the discussions on this board would be completely different. We would NOT be having QB discussions. Sorry bro, but that is the truth.

Yes, there is.......because too many people are ignoring his history and acting like handing the job to Manziel and having McCown as some sort of therapist is actually a good freaking idea.

Come on, man! You are smarter than that.

What is productive about it?

How is denial productive?

let me ask you. you said you watched him some. i just watched some of the bucs games.

does he seem to hold on to the ball?

thought he was pretty bad with deep throws?

and is it just me or he doesnt extend his arm up when passing? almost like its shoulder level when it comes out? i noticed alot of batted down passes?

Maybe I am missing something, is there anyone who is saying that we should have drafted Manziel over Bridgewater knowing everything we now know?

If Hoyer gave the ultimatum starter or nothing, he'd never be in Cleveland. It would be no different at the start of camp having Teddy or Johnny. Teddy didn't get the start until injuries hit, so I don't think he beats out Hoyer game one here.

Maybe I am misunderstanding, but you're thinking Browns would not need a backup going into the season. Teddy/Shaw is all that is needed.

Are people forgetting how terrible Hoyer was last year in the preseason when battling Manziel?

You are missing something. The point is WHY the heck should we trust Farmer moving forward? He had no experience w/the draft coming in. He made a stupid blunder on draft day. He forced Manziel onto the team. He lost his OC because of it. He has made one stupid comment after another about QBs. He signed McCown for quite a bit of money.

Why should we believe he knows what the hell he is doing?

Stop trying to prove me wrong and think about the facts.

Banner would have drafted Teddy and promoted Shannahan to emperor of cleveland.

I am not an expert on the guy, but I think his mechanics are atrocious. He throws off his back foot way too often. He holds the ball way too long. His pocket awareness sucks.I do think he has good size and isn't a bad runner. He also looked like a good leader in that one good year w/the Bears, but 1 and 10 is hard to ignore.

I don't know if Banner would have drafted Teddy, but I bet he wouldn't have drafted Johnny. I do think they looked really hard at Manziel......in fact, I think Lombardi spent a ton of time studying the kid. I also believe that when Lombardi's report [which was very similar to New England's....hmmmmm....] didn't match-up w/the Criminals wishes, both were let go.

Do recall Teddy did not win the starting job facing Cassel and Ponder? I'm not sure Hoyer struggling in pre-season really matters.

yea started to watch some of when he was with the bears but got side tracked. Matt Forte had over 5 yard a carry and was catching over 5 passes a game in the 5 games he started. like wow!!!!!

Fact:

"Bridgewater: No interest in Cleveland

Quarterback Teddy Bridgewater said in an interview Tuesday on "The Dan Patrick Show" that he wouldn't have wanted to play for the Cleveland Browns had he been drafted by the team."
Move on

if we only drafted players that wanted to come to clevelnd who could we draft?

I believe his post is called "sarcasm".

Here's to hoping JM gets it together and comes out as a stud this year. Might as well hope and wish for something!

say the guy that thinks johnny beat out hoyer in the preseason.

Doesnt matter now, Johnny is a Brown and most likely will be our starting QB come opening day and Hoyer is gone. You can laugh and chuckle and the end of the day, your cult leader is gone and I couldnt be happier. I mean this from the bottom of my heart,

+1

Saw an article a while back, sorry no link, but it had quoted Teddy as saying the reason he didn't want to be drafted by Cleveland was that it was clear that some people in the organization didn't want him.

There was also an article awhile ago saying that Shanahan didn't want Bridgewater.

But Shanahan is a genius..

And Teddy is the best QB since Andrew Luck..

That obviously must of been a misquote..

Yes, you look at the entire body of work.



Correct.



You can do that any time you choose.



I agree.

Here's the interesting thing about your entire post. I don't think anyone would disagree with any of your thoughts. But you really made no point other than to state common sense things. It just seems to me there are people who just want to complain about it, and there are others who don't. I think many posters on here just don't see the point in complaining about it all the time.

My biggest question for those consistently saying that Farmer should be judged on what he did last year is..

Do you want him fired? Right now?

Because beyond that, I don't really know what the point is..

Just a general comment .......

I think that McCown was step 1. He was the guy we had to get. No way could we go into the draft/pre-season with only Manziel, who may not be ready to open camp, and Shaw. We need that guy who can step in and start a few games, in a limited role, in the style of offense we want to run.

I have read that Farmer has continued making phone calls about QBs on other teams who might be available for trade. Maybe that's Files, maybe it's Glennon, I really have no idea ...... but I truly believe that we will add another QB through a trade or the draft. However, I do not think that Pettine wanted our QB room to be a rookie, and a pair of 2 2nd year guys. We needed that veteran guy, and I have to believe that the demands Hoyer's agent made were far more than the Browns were willing to commit to for Hoyer. We paid Josh McCown $4-5 million/year. How much more than that must Hoyer have been asking for? It has been reported that Hoyer "sees himself as a QB who went 10-6", and that implies that he sees himself as one of the best in the NFL. I wonder what his salary demands were, if that's how he sees himself?

Anyway, I think that McCown is an intermediary move, with more to come. I am curious to see how the whole picture turns out after the draft.

Good post, YTown.

Teddy had a solid rookie year, but if you look at the numbers, Derek Carr was far better. That was the guy, and we missed.

What numbers are you looking at?

Probably TD:INT ratio.

I understand the point you're trying to make but at some point there has to be a balance.

When you look at the other end of the spectrum, there's also a lot of posters trying to put lipstick on a pig.

ie.... Well Manziel is in rehab now so things are looking up. Signing McCown as a mentor makes perfect sense... etc....

So IMO, posting common sense things as you mentioned, need to be done to balance out a lot of pig lipstick.

Josh McCown is another Browns' QB mentor, but to whom?

What is going on?: The signing of 35-year-old Josh McCown makes sense for a team eager to supplement its new franchise quarterback with a quality mentor and veteran backup.

A team like Tampa Bay, which is most likely going to make Florida State quarterback Jameis Winston the No. 1 pick of the draft on April 30.

But, wait. Tampa Bay had McCown under contract for another year, and the Bucs released him. Rather than entrust mentoring duties to McCown, Tampa Bay elected to keep the younger Mike Glennon, who could have returned a middle round draft choice in trade.

What went into that thinking? Maybe it was the fact that McCown, blessed with a one-two receiving punch of Vincent Jackson and Mike Evans, couldn’t complete 60 percent of his passes and proceeded to lose 10 of 11 starts.

So the Bucs released him. And McCown visited with the Jets, Bears, Bills and Browns. And the Browns outbid the Bills with a contract offer of $14 million over three years, including $6.25 million in guaranteed money.

McCown will be paid $5.25 million by the Browns in 2015.

That’s 75 percent more than the deal proposed by the agent of Brian Hoyer at the start of the 2014 season. That offer, presented as Hoyer was rehabilitating from a torn ACL, would have paid Hoyer $3 million if he played 70 percent of the team’s offensive snaps. If the team made the playoffs, Hoyer’s payload would have increased to $8 million.

The Browns said no.

And now they have replaced Hoyer, who was 10-6 as the team’s starting quarterback the past two years – OK, 9-6 if you subtract the game in which he injured his knee in the first quarter with the team behind, 10-0 – with a 12-year journeyman whose career record in the NFL is 17-32 and 3-5 in the United Football League.

What in name of Jake Delhomme is going on here?

A history lesson: The Browns have a sordid history of adding washed-up quarterbacks since they returned as an expansion franchise in 1999.

It started with Ty Detmer, 32, in 1999. He was 0-2 his first year and spent his second year on injured reserve before being traded.

In 2000, Doug Pederson, 32, was summoned by coach Chris Palmer after a spate of injuries. He compiled a 1-7 record – his lone win coming against Bill Belichick’s New England Patriots.

In 2004, Butch Davis had the brainstorm of signing Jeff Garcia, 34, to be his starting quarterback. Garcia went 3-7.

In 2005, new GM Phil Savage called on Trent Dilfer, 33, to serve as rookie Charlie Frye’s mentor. Dilfer went 4-7 before he was yanked. Dilfer was so put off by sitting behind Frye that he demanded Savage to trade him the following year.

In 2010, new President Mike Holmgren paid Delhomme, 35, an incredible $8 million to be the Browns’ starting quarterback. Delhomme suffered a high ankle sprain in his first game and stumbled around to a 2-2 record.

Now comes McCown, who has started more than 10 games only twice in 12 seasons, who has completed more than 60 percent of his passes only three times, who has thrown more touchdowns than interceptions in a season only two times.

So who’s the starter?: You want to believe that the Browns envision McCown as a mentor to … Johnny Manziel … or somebody else.

Hoyer’s fate with the Browns may have been sealed when the rumor blazed the Internet that he would not be agreeable to return in 2015 with Manziel on the team. Hoyer did not immediately quash it, saying at first that he hadn’t seen the report and that at this stage of his career he wanted to play as a starter.

When Hoyer’s game slumped – precipitated by the injury to center Alex Mack and the Browns’ inability to replace him, and then by the return of enigmatic receiver Josh Gordon – the Browns dismissed him as a quarterback who couldn’t win consistently and wouldn’t accept a role as Manziel’s babysitter. They were oil and water, Hoyer and Manziel.

So McCown was brought in ostensibly to be a mentor on a team with an offensive coordinator, John DeFilippo, the same age as he and a quarterbacks coach, Kevin O’Connell, six years younger.

But with Manziel in rehab and his schoolyard game still a major question mark, McCown figures to be the Browns’ 23rd starting quarterback since 1999 when the 2015 season opens in September.

And the odds are overwhelming that McCown will be “one and done” and will not last beyond 2015. Detmer, Pederson, Garcia, Dilfer and Delhomme all played but one season and posted a combined record of 10-25 with the Browns.

The McCown signing? As GM Ray Farmer would say, it is what it is.

http://espncleveland.com/common/more.php?m=49&action=blog&r=17&post_id=42821

McCown expects to start for Browns
Updated: March 2, 2015, 12:37 PM ET
By Jeremy Fowler | ESPN.com

McCown is taking a starter's mentality to Cleveland, too.

"That's my expectation right now," McCown told ESPN Radio's "Mike & Mike" on Monday about his goal to start for the Browns. "We'll see, as things unfold, what their plan is, but that's my expectation. I'm going to compete as such to do that ..."

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12408309/josh-mccown-expects-start-qb-cleveland-browns

This is not going to end well.