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I'm not going to talk about the QB situation, frankly because McCown is as good an answer as Manziel, Hoyer, Locker or any other of about 15 QBs that could be put into a Browns uniform. None are the answer...

What we can do, and why I wanted to chime in, was the question about shoring up the run defense...THIS is why I am genuinely excited about this off season. Everyone is debating about whether to trade up or not for a QB, then the question comes up about if Cooper or White are there around pick 8-10, should they think about moving up...

Well, I am here to throw the question up for debate, If Danny Shelton is there at #7, should the Browns make a play to go get him?

He, imho, is the best defensive lineman to come out of college since Haloti Ngata. He would instantly make the run defense better, yet he is also athletic enough to be a 3 down lineman as he can even rush the QB from the 0 position.

The Bears are changing to the 3-4 this year and we could actually help them get there a little faster...

Trade #12, #77, Phil Taylor and John Hughes...They can still have an opportunity to draft someone like Eddie Goldman, but have a couple of players to help them transition.

THEN, at #19 Trade back a few spots and get that 3rd rounder back that we lost in the trade up...I am ALL IN on Eric Kendricks around #24-29 (I think he will be a member of the Packers otherwise)..If any of you get some time go check out tape on this kid...He is a non stop motor that can QB the defense in the middle when Dansby gets too old to be out there. I think he is the next Ray Lewis. We will still need to replace Dansby with a bigger bodied ILB down the road, but Kendricks is the real deal.

THEN, at #45 take BPA, whether that is a RT/RG, DE, OLB, TE or WR

Thy MUST take an OLB in free agency as that is the best pool of free agents to choose from. I think Justin Houston will be back in KC, but a Jason Worilds or equivalent would be a great pickup to help this team.

Then get another OLB in the draft to develop...

THAT is the only way this team is going to win in 2015..



Re-sign Buster Skrine by the weekend...

Go out and sign Jason Worilds and Cecil Shorts, then by the Grace of God, Bryan Bulaga and this team will be set up for a productive draft and a successful 2015 season.

I like Shelton but I had a much higher grade on Ngata. I thought he was stronger, more athletic and more technically advanced. I thought Ngata was the best player in that draft when he came out. Now with that Said, there are folks out there that share your opinion and there is some realistic considerations with the Titans at #2 and I know quiet a few that believe that Williams and Shelton are the 2 best players in this draft.

Right now I have

1. bucs- Winston qb
2. Titans- Williams dt
3. Jags- Fowler de
4. raiders- cooper wr
5. Redskins- mariota I think they are done with RG3

6 Jets- White wr
7. Bears- Malcomb Brown DT
8. Falcons- collins Ot
9. Giants- Shelton DT
10 Rams- Clemmings ot

11 Vikings- Parker WR
12 Browns this is worst case for us. We are probably then debating between Bud Dupree olb, Sherff OG or just trading back. I really hate where we are. We need a couple of these linebackers/DE's to go early make a run on them

Dang Mourg, you really know how to be a pessimist. That would be a horrible draft for the Browns.

With that draft scenario I agree you'd have to consider moving out of the 12 spot. If that wan't possible I just take Jaelen Strong and Eddie Goldman at our current draft positions. Not ideal but not a train wreck either.

We need some of those teams ahead of us to fill voids in free agency. If not, its not gonna be a good draft.

Actually if that is the way the draft fell, it would give us an awesome opportunity...

Only one pass rusher is off the board, no defensive back has been taken, someone will want to move up to get their guy..I don't think any of these pass rushers really fit our system well. I am hoping they score one in free agency. But if we were able to move back and pick up a 2nd round pick or a 2016 1st round pick, even better, then we could still get a couple of great players at #19 and where ever we land further back in the first round.

Getting a 2nd first rounder in 2016 may be essential to landing a QB of the future. There is no answer at the position this year, we need ammo for next year when there should be some better prospects coming out.

That's actually a better alternative than what I suggested. That's pretty much on par with what we did to get this year's extra round 1 pick so it's doable.

The one flaw I see is the Mariota pick. But even then I could these 11 guys going before us in some other order.

Owamagbe Odighizuwa might be a good option if all those guys are off the board. Also, I know we took a corner last year, but Trae Waynes seems to be a pretty legit prospect. Arik Armstead would also be an option.

The best option would be to trade down. But that is usually the best option anyway.

Personally I would just take the giant fullback from Alabama and be done with it.

I can't see Washington drafting a QB at 5 this year..

Mariota isn't even as good as Griffin was when he came out, and Winston is somehow even more of a douche than a guy that had his nickname trademarked..

They might be in the best spot for someone to trade up to if Mariota drops that far.. Right before the Jets..

And they are a team that needs to start making up for the picks they gave up.. So if they could get a haul for Mariota, I think they should..

These are my thoughts exactly. I just hope we aren't the ones to trade up.

I think the Eagles will look to move Lesean and Foles to get the buying power to move up for Marriotta but I do think they will have to get ahead of Washington. The skins want to go a new direction.

I would be shocked if Washington ended the RGIII era this off-season.

I would also be shocked if the Eagles traded McCoy. He is the entire reason their offense works at this point.

Is this just your gut or do you have some other type of information?

Been some rumors that the Eagles are shopping both behind the scenes so I would have to think it would involve a move for Marriotta.

As for the Skins, the coaching staff cant stand the guy. They see a spoiled brat that they just havent been able to reach and it has hurt the chemistry of the team.

I see.

I haven't heard anything about the Eagles and McCoy.

I think it is clear Gruden hated RGIII, but as with everything that goes on with Washington, Daniel Snyder must approve.

If I'm Washington, I take Foles, and McCoy, a 1st this and next year and hangup before I start giggling into the phone..

Talk about a way to do a quick rebuild..

Hell I'd give Washington 12 and 19 just so I could make that deal with Philly..

Kelly is not dumb. He won't give up all of his assets for one player.

I think giving up on a starting caliber NFL QB for a guy just because you coached him in college is kind of dumb..

I think Lesean is due to make 12 mil this year and Foles will be a FA at the end of the year. So could be why they are looking to make those moves now.

Starting caliber QB. . . in Kelly's system.

Liking Mariota and being willing to give up everything for him are two different things. I'll believe it when I see it.

I liked Foles coming out of college.

I don't think his success is only because of Kelly's system.

I would love to have him here. I would instantly make him THE GUY.. And I think we'd have OUR GUY going forward..

But that's just me.

Kelly's offense is very QB friendly. Even still Foles misses many wide open receivers.

If on our team I think Foles would be average (which would be a huge upgrade over what we have had.)

The best thing Philly could do IMO, if they get Mariota, is KEEP Foles, and let Mariota sit his rookie year..

Then you can let Foles walk (Will he be an RFA?) and have your guy take the reins..

Though if they want Mariota, I guess he won't really need time to "learn the system" per say.. But I don't think sitting would hurt him..

Getting rid of McCoy would however..

Philadelphia is the only place Mariota could go and not have to sit. Unless some other team is willing to change the entire offense to fit him in.

I just realized there's still almost two months to the draft..

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I do not think that Farmer is done with the QB spot. There were reports that he has also been making calls about QBs on other teams, and may be able to make a draft day deal for a starting QB. (a starter for us, that is)

I think Shelton is on par when it comes to functional strength but I completely agree on the rest.



I agree this is worst-case for us. Anything that has Malcom Brown and the three wideouts going ahead of us is bad news. We probably pick Beasley I think in this case and that's not going to help our run defense.

I've gone back and forth with Mariota as a Washington possibility... on the one hand he's allegedly the anti-diva that Griffin has become, OTOH he is also a guy who is in a non-translateable situation in Oregon, much like Griffin was at Baylor. Would Washington be ready to hitch their wagons to another one of those? I don't know.

In this case I probably take Ereck Flowers, Agholor at 19, and Xavier Cooper at 43 or whatever it is. I could see Armstead there (at 12.) But yeah, this would be a major bummer.

I think this little tweak is a little more realistic:

1. bucs- Winston qb
2. Titans- Williams dt
3. Jags- Fowler de
4. raiders- cooper wr
5. Redskins- Shelton NT
6 Jets- Mariota QB
7. Bears- Malcom Brown DT
8. Falcons- Beasley DE (going back to 4-3)
9. Giants- Collins OT
10 Rams- White wr
11 Vikings- Parker WR

Atlanta had huge problems on the OL but a lot of that was due to tons of injuries

I have a feeling that we will go with DT Shelton at #12 if he's there otherwise they will look at OT Collins or DT Brown for #12 and hope that the other one is still there at #19.

I am worried all three of those guys would be gone by 12. I would like to have any one of them, let along both of them. Probably in this order:

1) Brown
2) Collins
3) Shelton

JMO.

Is Schwartz so bad that we should be trying to replace him with a first round pick?

No, which is why I'm saying it's worst case scenario, I just think he's the best player there that helps us the most that we can't get at our next pick.

I don't think Eddie Goldman is good enough for that (a 1st round) pick. I am primarily concerned about our 32nd-raked run D on defense, and I don't think putting Beasley on the field improves that. I kinda like Gregory but 235# worries me... like a healthy shoulder on Mingo is a better option. I don't like Shane Ray. The most recent games I've watched on OO weren't really good (vs. Oregon and 1st Q vs. K-State... probably finish it tonight), certainly not to spend a #12 on. Also, when I looked at his combine numbers, one thing concerned me. He kicked butt on all the measurables, but his 3 cone was way off the pace you'd expect with his other numbers. Couple that with the hip surgeries and I'm a bit worried about his health and his ability to transition to an edge rusher. He was a very different player than what I saw in other games this year (Texas, USC).

Sorry I'm about 2 pages late on this.. but there is a big difference between learning a new system and learning a new skill set.

You really think all three gone before 12?

I'm pretty sure Jameis Winston, Leonard Williams, Dante Fowler Jr, Randy Gregory, Vic Beasley, Trae Waynes, and T.J. Clemmings are taken. That is eight. You have all three receivers Cooper, White, and Parker. You think at least one goes before 12th. Mariota is a maybe. I think the odds are fairly good one of your three is there.

Isn't Collins similar to Ha Ha Clinton-Dix? Didn't Clinton-Dix go 21st to the Packers? If that repeats, Farmer could very well land 2 of your 3.

La'el Collins, not Landon. And I think he goes before Clemmings.

Oooopps! I took your earlier post to mean a suitable OT was gone.

La'el Collins is ranked all over the place. I've seen as high as 8 and low as 32. I admit I don't know much about. Bio looks impressive. Your right it reads better than T.J. Clemmings. Hmm, I wonder why the huge range of predictions.

If your 3 are gone and Trae Waynes is sitting there, you take at 12? I'm assuming at least one of the three receivers are there too. I'm big on BPA, so I don't care Browns took Gilbert last year.

Your thoughts on Landon Collins at 19? I guess I lean more toward a Benardrick McKinney Something about having a 6'4" MLB.

I wouldn't say they are necessarily my top 3 for the spot, just that the players dawg66 was hoping to get two of I would be happy if we got one of. Brown probably is my top guy (because we're not getting Jameis and no need to even consider L. Williams) due to the drop-off at his position after he's gone. I would take Cooper or Parker, and probably White, over Collins or Shelton.

I am not as well acquainted with the draftable players as many here, so I tend to reserve my opinions on the subject. That said, I have a man-crush on Kevin White. I watched him several times over the last college season and definitely would love to see him on the Browns. I was hugely disappointed when he did so well at the combine that he essentially made himself unreachable for our draft slots.

La'el Collins is defiantely a wild card...As you said he's been mocked everywhere. I have also noticed alot of mocks having him as a 2nd round pick too...which you know on draft day theres always a couple guys who slide out of round 1 and a couple who slide into round 1

There was that Ole Miss OT the year we got Schwartz i think, a lot of people wanted him in the 2nd, if not at 22..

He ended up falling all the way to like the 5th round.. never to be heard from again..

*googles* Bobbie Massie was his name, went in the 4th and has apparently been starting for Arizona.. interesting..

Yeah, I had Schwartz and Massie ranked about the same. I do think that most people on the boards had Massie ranked quite a bit higher.