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I would still trade a pick to the eagles for Foles and put a real QB on this roster.

Impossible to read., can you change it please?

McCown, Delhomme, etc, etc, etc...what's the difference?

Sorry. It's the darkest shade I could find, thus, illustrating the most sarcastic post intentions. Scrolling over it with the mouse might make it easier to read. Again, sorry. I'll try another shade in the future. I have an inkling I'll be needing it.

Much better...thanks.

Good. I hate for anyone to miss my sarcastic ramblings at 9am.

Surely you've had your morning cup(s) of coffee by now...

Much Better.,.. Thanks

Oh, and Funny too

Yes it was.. I was drinking my coffee and chuckling between Memphis and bbrowns 32 chat...

Thinking to myself... What a way to start a day when the font color doesn't even co-operate with you

Geez Mac. You must have a really low opinion of Farmer to think he is just going to be Haslams stooge.

I don't think he would do that.

I know they're talking heads and all, but apparently, Mike Greenberg just said this:
If the #Bills sign Brian Hoyer, I believe they'll make the playoffs.

Greenber Twitter

Has anyone heard anything about him visiting or gaining any interest since we've signed McCown? Just curious.

He can't visit yet. He's still under contract until next week. He's really not even allowed to speak to other teams yet. His agent is I think?

Wasn't Hartline just in town? Deals can't be signed until the 10th. Discussions can take place.

We can sign him now because he was cut, unlike other players whose contracts expire on the 10th.

Hartline is allowed to speak to anyone because he was released. He's not under contract. Jimmy Donovan said that hartline is with the Browns today., We'll see how that goes.,

Hartline was released so his contract was terminated on that date. Making him available immediately.

The other free agents like Hoyer are still under contract until the 10th when the contract expires. They become available at that time.

j/c:



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Hoyer's (and every other player with an expiring contract's) agent can start talking to other teams officially on Friday. no deals can be signed until Monday. This was changed last year or the year before to eliminate the mockery 12:01 deals that were happening at the beginning of free agency.

The Bills might have a better team next year, but Hoyer is worse than Orton. And it's not close. Better overall talent, worse QB, I say their record gets worse.

Greenbergs been saying that since 5 am my time.... this will be the runing story for the ESPN talking heads.... Hoyer to Buffalo.... Hoyer to Buffalo....Hoyer to Buffalo. wash, rinse repeat for ESPN.

BTW...I agree with him... it will just be humorous to listen to every ESPN analyst act like it is his / her idea.

I like Hartline. Would like to see it happen for us. Lionheart IMO.

maybe a very spirited Bernie Kosar Breeding program? Might swell grow a crop of them or clones or something. McK may be a bridge too far. Hope we are working on Shaw and looking around.

If he is running the Browns the same way he ran Pilot Flying J, doesn't that mean the Browns should be super successful?

So are we going to overlook everything else Haslam did for the company?

the last timne a team didnt make money in Clevelabnd( according to the owner) they ended up in baltimore... I 'll take the profitable one

I say the hell with it, we don't need proof, let's hang the man

I mean, we are no longer a nation where you are innocent until proven guilty, we are now a nation that says, he was accused, there's smoke, so there must be fire. yippee.. hang the guy high,

geez,.., IF IF IF.

when he's arrested (which he's not been) then lets talk about it. until then, it's nothing more than something for folks to beat on him about.

People can try to spin this all they want, but even if he was signed as a back-up, paying 15 mil. over 3 years for your back-up QB isn't the smartest thing going.

Also some hypothetical, maybe, possible, might thing is kind of funny. IMO, if you look at the signing in and of itself, we paid too much for too little no matter what future moves are made.

jc....

The way the contract is structured this is basically a 1 year deal.....he'll never see years two or three. This makes me think we are drafting someone to take over next year or think JM is the guy but want him to prove himself this year as far as his work ethic goes.

McCown is making 5.25 million (with roster bonus) this year......hard to believe he won't be the starter making that money at least to begin the year. However, I am certain he is another of those "bridge" guys eotab loves to talk about and he won't be starting after this year or even be on the team most likely.

Really think we will draft a QB in rounds 1-3 now.

We have to overpay for used up players; we're an awful mess on offense.

Hoyer would probably demand the same, if not more, money. We all know his capabilities.

Do you know we're probably going to cut him next year? All $15m isn't guaranteed.

Try the same color in bold print font. That way you can be boldly sarcastic.

That was my point as well. The 15 million stuff is fluff......he's basically making 5 million for a one year deal. Which again leads me to believe we are sold on JM moving forward or are going to draft a QB in a higher round......my personal opinion you will see a QB picked rounds 1-3.

I have blasphemed here before, and I guess I will again. It is sad and a measure of how starved we have been as a franchise that we look back at Bernie Kosar's career as if he were Joe Montana. He threw 20 TDs once. He had an extremely average career. Hall of Fame? Not even close. We won back then by running the ball.
It is true we haven't had anyone as good since. And I love the fact he was from Youngstown, and he was a cool guy. But man, how other teams' fans would laugh if they knew how we worshipped him.

People are all worked up because 2-14 doesn't sound all that fun. Do you think the Browns should just announce to everyone that they have no intention of trying to win this year? Be patientl and maybe next year or the year after that we will try to win?
Our only QB is an aging vet that has lost twice as many games as he's won. Oh joy! That ought to sell a lot of tickets.

They better do SOMETHING in the draft. Find SOME kind of QB that can play the position. Or trade for one.... But going in to the season with McCown, Johnny rehab and Shaw is a receipe for disaster.

And a sure way to cleaning house and going through a GM/HC search next year.

'Cleveland Browns have their reasons for wanting Josh McCown and other weekend notes -- Terry Pluto'

http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf/2015/03/cleveland_browns_have_their_re.html

By Terry Pluto, The Plain Dealer on March 07, 2015 at 9:35 AM, updated March 07, 2015 at 10:36 AM


CLEVELAND, Ohio -- As you read this, keep in mind that I'm giving you the Browns' perspective. Other than the statements from the public relations department, we've heard very little about why they signed quarterback Josh McCown.

And very few people have been excited about it, including me.

Anyway, I wanted to know what the Browns were thinking, so here we go:

1. They believed Brian Hoyer would probably sign elsewhere once free agency began on March 10. Of course, the Browns weren't willing to make any sort of real commitment, either. In the end, it seemed best for both sides to move on.

2. The free agent QB selections are very limited -- Mark Sanchez, Jake Locker, etc. There will be a lot of competition for mediocre quarterbacks. McCown was available now, whereas Locker and the rest can't sign until March 10. Signing McCown before free agency opened ensured the Browns have at least one veteran in place.

3. The Browns studied every snap taken by McCown in the last two years. In 2013, he threw 13 touchdown passes compared to one interception while starting five games in Chicago. Last season, he had 14 interceptions against 11 TDs in 11 games. What was the difference?

4. Last season, the Browns used play-action fakes on 29 percent of their plays for Hoyer. Tampa did it on only 9 percent for McCown, second fewest in the NFL. The year before in Chicago, it was 21 percent for McCown.

5. In Chicago, McCown had Matt Forte (1,339 yards rushing). Last season, he had Doug Martin (494 yards) and Bobby Rainey (406). The Bears' strong running game helped set up McCown's passing.

6. Tampa often used empty backfields and multiple receiver sets. Chicago's Forte was not only a weapon in the running game, he caught 79 passes in 2013. So he was always on the field, receiving lots of defensive attention.

7. Tampa ranked 29th in rushing. The Bucs scored only seven touchdowns on the ground, and three belonged to McCown.

8. The Browns ranked 17th in rushing with 17 touchdowns. There is no doubt that the Browns have a much better ground game.

9. McCown had good receivers in both places. In Chicago, it was Brandon Marshall, Alshon Jeffries and Martellus Bennett. In Tampa Bay, it was Vincent Jackson and Mike Evans.

10. Both teams have superior receivers when compared to the 2014 Browns.

11. The difference for McCown was the Bears' running attack and a much better offensive line than Tampa Bay. Chicago's offensive philosophy put McCown in formations that fit his skills.

12. Football Outsiders rated Tampa Bay as the NFL's worst offensive line, 29th protecting the passer. The Browns were 24th overall, 15th protecting the passer. The Browns expect a big upgrade with the return of Pro Bowl center Alex Mack and some help in the draft.

13. Profootballfocus ranked the Browns as the No. 6 offensive line in 2014. They had Tampa at No. 25. No matter the ranking, McCown is coming to a much better line.

14. The Bucs were 2-14. McCown certainly had a hand in the problems, but they were widespread. A week before the season, offensive coordinator Jeff Tedford became ill and had to resign. It was just a mess with the lousy blocking and running game.

15. The Browns know that McCown will be 36 on July 4. They know he is a stopgap. New offensive coordinator John DeFilippo worked with him in Oakland. The Browns believe they can duplicate the offense they had with Hoyer early in the season and make it work with McCown.

16. McCown also is willing to work with Johnny Manziel, Connor Shaw or a Quarterback To Be Named Later. At this stage of his career, he wants to start -- but knows he has real value as a backup.

17. I could not get a sense if the Browns plan to draft a quarterback -- or sign another one. Their salary cap room gives them options for another quarterback.

ABOUT MONEY AND QUARTERBACKS

Some fans were shocked by McCown's three-year, $14 million contract.

First of all, that $14 million means nothing. The key to any NFL contract is the guaranteed money. For McCown, it's $6.2 million. That's right, $6.2 million for a guy who had a 1-10 record as a starter with Tampa Bay last year. McCown made $4.75 million with the Bucs.

Veteran backups make good money, and it will keep rising. Buffalo paid $5.4 million to Kyle Orton in 2014. He retired, and the Bills tried to sign McCown. The Browns out-bid them.

Then Buffalo traded for Matt Cassel, who signed a two-year, $10.5 million contract with Minnesota in 2014. He was guaranteed $5.6 million. His career record is 23-33.

Before 2014, Chad Henne signed a two-year, $8 million deal with Jacksonville -- $4 million guaranteed. Before 2014, Matt Moore received the same contract from Miami. Matt Schaub signed a two-year, $13 million deal to back up in Oakland -- with $6.5 million guaranteed.

Free agency opens on March 10. Some very mediocre quarterbacks such as Mark Sanchez and Jake Locker will be paid a lot of money.

I'm very curious to see where Hoyer ends up. I thought Buffalo would be a great spot, but the Bills traded for Cassel. They apparently want to see if 2013 first-round pick E.J. Manuel can win the job.

The Browns signed Hoyer to a two-year, $2 million deal in 2013, so they had him at a bargain price because he had played so little in the NFL.

THE RUNNING GAME

The Browns feel very good about their young backs. Terrance West and Isaiah Crowell combined for 1,280 yards, 12 touchdowns and a 4.0 rushing average. Both were rookies, both should improve.

He didn't have a single carry, but the Browns really like Glenn Winston. Look for him to receive a lot of attention in the summer and preseason. They want to find out if he can be in the mix. Depth is needed because running backs do get hurt -- a lot.

If they do add a back, it may be more of a third-down pass catcher. That is what the Browns need to work on. West and Crowell combined for only 20 receptions. No matter the quarterback, the team needs a running back who can help as a receiver.




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